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An Open letter to President Bush (End run vs. Outsourcing)
Me | Me

Posted on 04/09/2004 12:22:04 PM PDT by Havoc

Dear Mr. President,

You don't know me, nor do I expect you to. But I'm one of those voices out here in the ether that actually did vote for you. I'm not one of those seminar caller types nor a Democrat pretending at being a republican to subvert the party faithful in dishonest fashion because their ideas aren't popular enough to win them anything. No, I'm a life-long republican who cherishes the memory of Ronald Reagan and who thought highly of you right up to the time you sunk a knife in my back economically.

Sir I understand it's a hard job being president. I also understand that in IT my job causes me to have to think on my feet and respond to an everchanging environment just to keep it. And while I was busting my behind for a company I happened to love doing a job I happened to love, you decided it's a good thing to do an endrun around equal protection and hand my job to a Mexican worker at 1/3 of the rate I'm being paid. Sir, Retail employees get paid more than that Full time and they're earning below the poverty level. The Job I hold for the moment requires a lot of hard work and problem solving skills, it requires good customer care skills, and it requires a long knowledge of Computers and software I didn't get from a degree but from practical experience.

I worked long and hard for years looking for the break that would get me in the door with my current employer. And I currently have a carreer with them. Or had, rather. I've worked for EDS for nearly 4 years. I will lose my job just short of that anniversary or just after it depending on how the breakdown happens.

I have a handicap that keeps me from driving a car. Not an official handicap, because it's so rare a problem that 1/2 of 1% of Americans have the condition so it doesn't rate being called what it is. I'm a blip on the screen. But, it means I have to live close to my employer and sometimes rely on others to help me get things done. I've lost everything and put my life back together 3 times in 15 years sir. And having just accomplished it again after 4 years with my employer, your policy has killed any protection I might have otherwise enjoyed from having my job destroyed by foriegn competition. And it puts me right back on the brink again. Sir, if I don't stand a chance of winning, it isn't competition - it's fish in a barrel. Where is my equal protection under the law?

The "competition" didn't get hired because of race or creed; but, because of national origin. They got hired because their cost of living is low enough that they can be paid sub-poverty wages to do my job. They are taking my job because they aren't constrained by the laws we have in this country to protect us and preserve our liberties. Lower cost of living, and no laws to constrain them. See, we used to have what was called ANTI-DUMPING laws on the books before Nafta to prevent the subversion of our economy by those who would attempt to compete on an unfair basis and put American firms out of business. We aren't a global economy, the globe is not the United States of America. They don't respect our rights, our Constitution, our laws or ourselves. The average citizen of the world might; but, we aren't dealing with them, we're dealing with the leaders who have their boots on the neck of the citizen of the world.

It seems today that I have to be a Mexican to get a fair shake in America. There are some 8 million of them here illegally as a tax on our system and working here taking jobs that Americans can do; but, which apparently, nobody wants to offer a fair wage for as long as they can get slave labor off the books. That isn't enough though. We need to employ More workers from Mexico, India, China.. As long as we're doing it, sire, why not be obvious and lets put Sally Struthers on the TV to advertise IT Jobs for the people under repressive regimes in africa who can live on 52 cents a day, "the price of a cup of coffee." I don't care what color their skin is, No citizen of the United states could live on that and shouldn't be asked to compete with it. It's too blatently obvious that it's unfair. And that seems to be why it's "good for us all".

Your policy sir. It's you on the tube telling me it's good for me to lose my job to a Mexican worker outside of our system and in a manner with which I cannot compete. There isn't a job comparable to it here that I can take to make up the difference cause those are being outsourced too. Outsourced. How about endran. Because sir, that is what is happening - it's an end run around our system - around our rights, our laws, our constitutional provisions and protections. Your policy has relieved me of my job without due process. It tied my hands before I had a chance to respond. And so many businesses are being forced to do the same thing, that I don't stand a chance any more than those earning 3 times what I do in the same field who have lost their jobs already and have had to take 11k a year Retail jobs just to eat while their houses go up for sale.

I don't have a degree. I don't get retraining. I just get to lose my job at the whim of your policies and will likely lose more than that in the end. You see, I bought a new home too - a year ago. This job made it possible for me to do that. And as with my Job, I had to get a huge break to be able to pull it off. I've been behind you and a cheerleader of yours since I first heard you speak. I understand that the tanking economy isn't your fault. I understand it isn't your fault we were attacked. I understand and agree with pretty much everything you've done to date, sir. This however is in my mind beyond sickening. It is a betrayal of myself, my coworkers and every other hard working IT worker, Auto worker, etc that has lost their job due to this. It is a betrayal by their government and their employer. And it's a distrust you've earned by subverting them and me. For me, it's not just my Government, it's my own party.

Now I've heard all the arguments for outsourcing and all the copout phrases about what we do about companies that have outsourced to the US. Tell me, sir, how many of them outsourced to do an endrun around their system of government, their constitution, their laws and their workers. How many of them outsourced to us to produce goods for their home market. That isn't an argument that flies with me in the face of doing an endrun around us. They've built plants in our land and are working within our market, within it's rules, within our laws, within the constraints of our constitution and are paying a competative wage. Our companies are doing the opposite. And any way you cut it, it is economic and constitutional tyranny. I'm not a single issue voter sir, until that single issue is my life and livelihood.. until members of my own party call me a robber and a thief for expecting to keep my job when I've worked my behind off to do so.

I did it right. I've busted my backside under an ever increasing workload, kept my promise to my employer and my client. Never missed a metric, never dropped the ball for either of them and have always exceeded expectation as a member of one of the best teams on this planet in my humble opinion. My job is gone not because we didn't produce and not because either couldn't afford it; but, because Mexicans work cheaper and don't have our protections, laws, rights or constitution. I have a strong work ethic and a loyalty to my company that even now makes me shudder to say a bad word about them. I have no illusions; but, I was raised that if you do your best it pays off. I know now that if you do your best, you get kicked in the teeth just as hard, and if you get ahead a little bit, the government will be there to kick you back down. I appreciate how hard your job is. Mine is pretty dang hard too. But how about you and everyone in government work for $600 a month from now on like the Mexican workers replacing us. How about you all work for the income you're forcing me into. If it's good for us, it should be good for you too. You, and all the ivory tower types in our party that hiss at me for being upset over losing my job and wanting to defend myself. How would that be, sir? I'd just as soon see little Tommy Daschle and Ted Kennedy go fly a kite as hear them spout one more offensive evil lie about you. But I'd just as soon, too, see you join them holding the string if you're gonna ruin me and tell me it's good for me. How about if we just outsource your jobs too - oh, wait, that would be unconstitutional too, wouldn't it.


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KEYWORDS: bush; endrun; immigration; newslavery; outsourcing
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To: XBob
You know, I got diabetes in my 20's (most people get it in the 50's-60's), before he was born, from Agent Orange, fighting for my country so that fools like him would have a place to be born and grow up in, safely

Welcome home brother ... shame that when we had to go fight in order to keep this country safe for all it included the ungratefully ANTI-AMERICAN Free Traitors who would screw you and any other fellow American for their almighty dollar

621 posted on 04/13/2004 4:30:28 PM PDT by clamper1797 (Conservative by nature ... Republican in Spirit ... Patriot by Heart ... and Anti Liberal BY GOD)
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To: Havoc; discostu; Toddsterpatriot
but, they seem to appreciate fear - none of them would take me up on an offer to come say all the things that have been said by free traitors on this thread in front of a crowd of UAW workers...

"BELIEVE AS I TELL YOU TO BELIEVE, SAY WHAT I ORDER YOU TO SAY, AND PAY ME DANEGELD--OR I WILL KILL YOU."

Havoc's argument in one sentence.

622 posted on 04/13/2004 4:30:43 PM PDT by Poohbah (Darkdrake Lives!)
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To: Havoc; Joe Hadenuf
Rise in job numbers leaves many workers with less pay

The U.S. has not replaced any of the 2.8 million factory jobs lost since President Bush took office in 2001, forcing many workers to accept lower-paying alternatives. The industries adding jobs, such as retail and health care, pay on average 21 percent less than manufacturing, according to a study of government data by the Economic Policy Institute.

Three-quarters of the new jobs created in March, the fastest period of employment growth since April 2000, came from lower-wage service industries, led by retailers, the Labor Department said.

"Wage and salary income didn't go up much last month despite the 300,000 new jobs," said Joshua Feinman, chief economist at Deutsche Asset Management in New York.

623 posted on 04/13/2004 4:31:09 PM PDT by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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To: Poohbah
Didn't say it, never have. But keep lying - nothing has stopped you guys lying so far, I've no illusions anything is going to make you find religion and start being truthful just because we expose your lies here.
624 posted on 04/13/2004 4:38:11 PM PDT by Havoc ("The line must be drawn here. This far and no further!")
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To: sarcasm
Rise in job numbers leaves many workers with less pay

Thanks for the link and the article. But like I told the other guys, I don't need an article, or government stats to know that many are working for less money, and little or no benefits. The middle class has been hammered in the past several years. Only those with agendas, political or otherwise won't admit it.

625 posted on 04/13/2004 4:53:12 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Mine are based on folks that I speak with daily, not some government stats. Back to the Wall Street Journal for you.

Well, obviously the couple of dozen people you spoke to are no match for my high-falutin,city slicker numbers.

626 posted on 04/13/2004 4:56:12 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Quit yer whining)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
But like I told the other guys, I don't need an article, or government stats to know that many are working for less money, and little or no benefits. The middle class has been hammered in the past several years.

Wow, the whole middle class? All 150 million of them?

627 posted on 04/13/2004 4:58:08 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Quit yer whining)
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To: Havoc
none of them would take me up on an offer to come say all the things that have been said by free traitors on this thread in front of a crowd of UAW workers...

How's this? Sorry you undereducated, sheltered union workers have priced yourself out of the market and will be lucky to get a new job making 50% of what you make now.

Please pass that to your buddies at the next union meeting.

628 posted on 04/13/2004 5:00:58 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Quit yer whining)
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To: sarcasm
Bush would need employers to add an average of 228,000 jobs a month for the remainder of 2004 to avoid becoming the first president since Herbert Hoover to end a term with fewer jobs than when he began.

Tom Joseph, a Toledo, Ohio-based job training official with the United Association of Plumbers and Steamfitters, said he isn't seeing that pace of growth in his community.

Well, if a guy who works for the union doesn't see the growth, it must not be there.

629 posted on 04/13/2004 5:17:46 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Quit yer whining)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
priced yourself out of the market

Well, when they market includes locked-in slave labor chained to their machinery as you get in China and pennies per day -- gee, who isn't "priced out of the market",

How "patiotic" of you, Todd, cheering for your nieghhbors and coutrymen to (1) celebrate very low pay (2) borrow more moeny and (3) send their kids to fight for you in foreign nations.

Very patriotic! /NOT

630 posted on 04/13/2004 5:24:15 PM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw
I didn't realize patriotism = supporting overpaid union thugs.

Main Entry: pa·tri·ot·ism

Pronunciation: 'pA-trE-&-"ti-z&m, chiefly British 'pa-

Function: noun

: love for or devotion to one's country

Oh, look, not one mention of unions.

631 posted on 04/13/2004 5:29:26 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Quit yer whining)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
This needs to be repeated:

Bush would need employers to add an average of 228,000 jobs a month for the remainder of 2004 to avoid becoming the first president since Herbert Hoover to end a term with fewer jobs than when he began.

632 posted on 04/13/2004 5:35:43 PM PDT by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Great, post them, with links. If you have INFORMATION that PROVES the economy is bad it's your moral obligation to post it. If you're just gonna insist we believe you, sorry I only take God on faith, and you ain't Him.
633 posted on 04/13/2004 6:11:59 PM PDT by discostu (Brick urgently required, must be thick and well kept)
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To: bvw
Housing boom create wealth by creating the real property asset of a house.

The tech boom created wealth by creating the assets of computers and software.

Retail sales booms are hollow if they sit by themselves, they almost never sit by themselves.

If we're past the time when pumping credit into the economy gets it started, yet the economic numbers are climbing then maybe they aren't climbing because of credit being pumped into the economy.

I'm not borrowing comfort, I work for it. I went to school to develop my skills and get a good paying trade, I do my job well and help make sure our company makes the best products in our field. I earned it fair and square and where the actual products are made is 100% immaterial.

People that think they're entitled to anything rarely get anything. Actually it's that entitlement mentality that started this thread. The original author thinks he's entitled to a trade and is also entitled to governmental protection from competition. The free trade mentality doesn't believe in entitlement, it believes in earning everything, in the free trade world if you want to earn more than foreign competitors you better be worth more, if you don't produce more of higher quality then you aren't worth more and you're not entitled to being paid more.

My internationalist model is a 12 year-old Nissan that still runs quieter than my stomache and can get to 45 in second gear without whining like a protectionist. It's a better car than anything America is making for the price.
634 posted on 04/13/2004 6:20:18 PM PDT by discostu (Brick urgently required, must be thick and well kept)
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To: Havoc
More LIES FROM HAVOC. You didn't challenge us to go say what we said to a UAW crowd. You challenged us to go defend your innane pathetic 52 cent pygmy strawman to a UAW crowd. If you want your stupid strawman defended do it yourself liar.
635 posted on 04/13/2004 6:24:18 PM PDT by discostu (Brick urgently required, must be thick and well kept)
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To: sarcasm
You want to bet that after all the numbers are finalized that jobs will be positive?
636 posted on 04/13/2004 8:31:29 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Quit yer whining)
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To: Havoc
Thanks for the humorous whiney rant! Maybe we should all become professional victims, eh?
637 posted on 04/13/2004 9:27:18 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: discostu

Worthy of a repeat.

638 posted on 04/13/2004 9:32:02 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
Havov said this: I ain't a democrat, never have been and never will be; but, I'm wondering now why I'm republican, cause some of you make me ashamed of the word.

I think he's a little confused. The Democrats are the mommy party and the Republicans are the daddy party. If he wants his hand held and whispers of "Baby, everything is gonna be alright" he should switch his registration.

Daddy says quit crying, get off your ass and get a job.

639 posted on 04/13/2004 9:39:38 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Quit yer whining)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
The U.S. economy has, on average, had a 5% increase in the number of jobs within 18 months of the end of a recession - think that this number of jobs will be created? Want to bet on this number?
640 posted on 04/14/2004 2:39:28 AM PDT by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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