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An Open letter to President Bush (End run vs. Outsourcing)
Me | Me

Posted on 04/09/2004 12:22:04 PM PDT by Havoc

Dear Mr. President,

You don't know me, nor do I expect you to. But I'm one of those voices out here in the ether that actually did vote for you. I'm not one of those seminar caller types nor a Democrat pretending at being a republican to subvert the party faithful in dishonest fashion because their ideas aren't popular enough to win them anything. No, I'm a life-long republican who cherishes the memory of Ronald Reagan and who thought highly of you right up to the time you sunk a knife in my back economically.

Sir I understand it's a hard job being president. I also understand that in IT my job causes me to have to think on my feet and respond to an everchanging environment just to keep it. And while I was busting my behind for a company I happened to love doing a job I happened to love, you decided it's a good thing to do an endrun around equal protection and hand my job to a Mexican worker at 1/3 of the rate I'm being paid. Sir, Retail employees get paid more than that Full time and they're earning below the poverty level. The Job I hold for the moment requires a lot of hard work and problem solving skills, it requires good customer care skills, and it requires a long knowledge of Computers and software I didn't get from a degree but from practical experience.

I worked long and hard for years looking for the break that would get me in the door with my current employer. And I currently have a carreer with them. Or had, rather. I've worked for EDS for nearly 4 years. I will lose my job just short of that anniversary or just after it depending on how the breakdown happens.

I have a handicap that keeps me from driving a car. Not an official handicap, because it's so rare a problem that 1/2 of 1% of Americans have the condition so it doesn't rate being called what it is. I'm a blip on the screen. But, it means I have to live close to my employer and sometimes rely on others to help me get things done. I've lost everything and put my life back together 3 times in 15 years sir. And having just accomplished it again after 4 years with my employer, your policy has killed any protection I might have otherwise enjoyed from having my job destroyed by foriegn competition. And it puts me right back on the brink again. Sir, if I don't stand a chance of winning, it isn't competition - it's fish in a barrel. Where is my equal protection under the law?

The "competition" didn't get hired because of race or creed; but, because of national origin. They got hired because their cost of living is low enough that they can be paid sub-poverty wages to do my job. They are taking my job because they aren't constrained by the laws we have in this country to protect us and preserve our liberties. Lower cost of living, and no laws to constrain them. See, we used to have what was called ANTI-DUMPING laws on the books before Nafta to prevent the subversion of our economy by those who would attempt to compete on an unfair basis and put American firms out of business. We aren't a global economy, the globe is not the United States of America. They don't respect our rights, our Constitution, our laws or ourselves. The average citizen of the world might; but, we aren't dealing with them, we're dealing with the leaders who have their boots on the neck of the citizen of the world.

It seems today that I have to be a Mexican to get a fair shake in America. There are some 8 million of them here illegally as a tax on our system and working here taking jobs that Americans can do; but, which apparently, nobody wants to offer a fair wage for as long as they can get slave labor off the books. That isn't enough though. We need to employ More workers from Mexico, India, China.. As long as we're doing it, sire, why not be obvious and lets put Sally Struthers on the TV to advertise IT Jobs for the people under repressive regimes in africa who can live on 52 cents a day, "the price of a cup of coffee." I don't care what color their skin is, No citizen of the United states could live on that and shouldn't be asked to compete with it. It's too blatently obvious that it's unfair. And that seems to be why it's "good for us all".

Your policy sir. It's you on the tube telling me it's good for me to lose my job to a Mexican worker outside of our system and in a manner with which I cannot compete. There isn't a job comparable to it here that I can take to make up the difference cause those are being outsourced too. Outsourced. How about endran. Because sir, that is what is happening - it's an end run around our system - around our rights, our laws, our constitutional provisions and protections. Your policy has relieved me of my job without due process. It tied my hands before I had a chance to respond. And so many businesses are being forced to do the same thing, that I don't stand a chance any more than those earning 3 times what I do in the same field who have lost their jobs already and have had to take 11k a year Retail jobs just to eat while their houses go up for sale.

I don't have a degree. I don't get retraining. I just get to lose my job at the whim of your policies and will likely lose more than that in the end. You see, I bought a new home too - a year ago. This job made it possible for me to do that. And as with my Job, I had to get a huge break to be able to pull it off. I've been behind you and a cheerleader of yours since I first heard you speak. I understand that the tanking economy isn't your fault. I understand it isn't your fault we were attacked. I understand and agree with pretty much everything you've done to date, sir. This however is in my mind beyond sickening. It is a betrayal of myself, my coworkers and every other hard working IT worker, Auto worker, etc that has lost their job due to this. It is a betrayal by their government and their employer. And it's a distrust you've earned by subverting them and me. For me, it's not just my Government, it's my own party.

Now I've heard all the arguments for outsourcing and all the copout phrases about what we do about companies that have outsourced to the US. Tell me, sir, how many of them outsourced to do an endrun around their system of government, their constitution, their laws and their workers. How many of them outsourced to us to produce goods for their home market. That isn't an argument that flies with me in the face of doing an endrun around us. They've built plants in our land and are working within our market, within it's rules, within our laws, within the constraints of our constitution and are paying a competative wage. Our companies are doing the opposite. And any way you cut it, it is economic and constitutional tyranny. I'm not a single issue voter sir, until that single issue is my life and livelihood.. until members of my own party call me a robber and a thief for expecting to keep my job when I've worked my behind off to do so.

I did it right. I've busted my backside under an ever increasing workload, kept my promise to my employer and my client. Never missed a metric, never dropped the ball for either of them and have always exceeded expectation as a member of one of the best teams on this planet in my humble opinion. My job is gone not because we didn't produce and not because either couldn't afford it; but, because Mexicans work cheaper and don't have our protections, laws, rights or constitution. I have a strong work ethic and a loyalty to my company that even now makes me shudder to say a bad word about them. I have no illusions; but, I was raised that if you do your best it pays off. I know now that if you do your best, you get kicked in the teeth just as hard, and if you get ahead a little bit, the government will be there to kick you back down. I appreciate how hard your job is. Mine is pretty dang hard too. But how about you and everyone in government work for $600 a month from now on like the Mexican workers replacing us. How about you all work for the income you're forcing me into. If it's good for us, it should be good for you too. You, and all the ivory tower types in our party that hiss at me for being upset over losing my job and wanting to defend myself. How would that be, sir? I'd just as soon see little Tommy Daschle and Ted Kennedy go fly a kite as hear them spout one more offensive evil lie about you. But I'd just as soon, too, see you join them holding the string if you're gonna ruin me and tell me it's good for me. How about if we just outsource your jobs too - oh, wait, that would be unconstitutional too, wouldn't it.


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KEYWORDS: bush; endrun; immigration; newslavery; outsourcing
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To: ARCADIA
If the dollar is likely to hold at year 2000 less 10-20%...

Hmmm. Is your choice of 2000 arbitrary or purposeful? I mean, if purposeful it really isn't a good year to have an honest look at things as the dollar was by any reasonable standard at it's absolut inflated peak in 2000-2001 timeframe.

321 posted on 04/10/2004 9:31:39 PM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds, a pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush
...if purposeful it really isn't a good year to have an honest look at things as the dollar was by any reasonable standard at it's absolut inflated peak in 2000-2001 timeframe.

The percentage is arbitrary, however I pick 2000 specifically because it was a peak. There is still alot of structure (e.g. what we see currently in the bugets of the individual states) which develop based on those assumptions.
322 posted on 04/10/2004 9:47:11 PM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: refermech
(1) The government is not resposible for your success or failure. (2) You're having a tough time now but if you suck it up and do soething new you will find success on your own. (3) Global competion is here to stay, so get competitive and enjoy the fruits of your labors. (4) Or better yet start your own business.

Wow! Four Free Traitor platitudes in one post. Got to be a record. I guess if you practice long enough, you can rattle them off from memory.

323 posted on 04/10/2004 10:11:52 PM PDT by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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To: discostu
Deal with reality dude, it is NOT now nor has it EVER BEEN the President of the United States job to make sure you or any other American has a job. Corporations exist ENTIRELY to make profit, they are not now nor have they ever been in the business of worrying about the country. If a company can't make a profit in America then it is their DUTY to find someplace else to make a profit.

Exactly!!! Well said. It's also not a citizens duty to overpay for a lower quality product just because it's made in America by a grumpy union worker.

324 posted on 04/10/2004 10:34:46 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot
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To: Havoc
... and let slip the dogs of war.
325 posted on 04/10/2004 10:47:42 PM PDT by drlevy88
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To: Toddsterpatriot
The issue often isn't whether the business can sustain itself (which it obviously must run a profit to do), it's how much money it can make in the short term. But at what cost? The cost is not just in US jobs, it's in feeding this or that corrupt regime.
326 posted on 04/10/2004 10:50:54 PM PDT by drlevy88
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To: Tennessean4Bush
Good luck and keep the faith!

AHEM!!!!! Economics isn't a religion, unless money is a god.

327 posted on 04/10/2004 10:54:19 PM PDT by drlevy88
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To: Havoc
People aren't going to stand for being told they have to be professional students and be displaced everytime they sneeze because their employers can't be trusted, are unreliable and basically liars. And it doesn't seem to occur to any of you how subversive that is. As I've noted many times, ya'll are brewin the ingredients for a war.

Maybe not a war. More like a revolution.

328 posted on 04/10/2004 11:00:20 PM PDT by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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To: garandgal
Fifty percent of OUR OWN CITIZENS are below the median in IQ level.

This is unacceptable!!! I blame Mexico and India.We need a government program to insure that 100% of our citizens are above the median IQ level.

329 posted on 04/10/2004 11:25:07 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot
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To: discostu; Toddsterpatriot
please cite your reference:
"Corporations exist ENTIRELY to make profit, they are not now nor have they ever been in the business of worrying about the country. If a company can't make a profit in America then it is their DUTY to find someplace else to make a profit. "
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Section 8.
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

MEANING – WE, THE PEOPLE GRANT, CONGRESS THE RIGHT TO LEVY AND COLLECT TAXES, NOT THE EXCUTIVE BRANCH.

Right, so Algores telephone tax is illegal.

To regulate commerce with foreign nations,

MEANING – WE, THE PEOPLE, GRANT CONGRESS THE RIGHT TO REGULATE COMMERCE, NOT THE EXECTUVE BRANCH, OR THE UN


330 posted on 04/10/2004 11:37:07 PM PDT by XBob
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To: Toddsterpatriot
329 - "Fifty percent of OUR OWN CITIZENS are below the median in IQ level.
This is unacceptable!!! I blame Mexico and India.We need a government program to insure that 100% of our citizens are above the median IQ level."

Please help solve this problem by immediately denouncing your citizenship and leaving the country.
331 posted on 04/10/2004 11:42:43 PM PDT by XBob
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To: XBob
You mixing up the duty of a corporation with the powers of the government?
332 posted on 04/11/2004 12:00:02 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot
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To: Havoc
If the money is devalued and people earn less of it, that translates into an efective multiplying of our debt load because it then takes longer to pay it down.

Take a deep breath before you hurt yourself. If the currency is devalued vs other currencies like the Yen and Euro that makes our goods cheaper, we sell more, their goods more expensive, we buy less. Doesn't hurt our debt load or reduce our incomes.

This would help us and you. Except for making oil more expensive, and we should get our own out of Alaska anyway.

333 posted on 04/11/2004 12:03:55 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot
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To: Toddsterpatriot
322 - "You mixing up the duty of a corporation with the powers of the government?"

Not at all - but you seem to think there is no regulation of commerce, and corporations can do what they want. And the constitution specifically cites this responsibility as one of congress.

We grant corporations ability to exist and perform commerce, not the otherway around.

Corporations have no rights.

334 posted on 04/11/2004 12:10:33 AM PDT by XBob
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To: ARCADIA
[Southack:] dropping the value of the U.S. Dollar only impacts 4% of our GDP.

[ARCADIA:] Oh BTW, if our imports are SOoooo insignificant then why don't we just seal the borders and make everyone happy? It is just 4% right?!?!

Are you treating freetraders with logic?! Not fair.

335 posted on 04/11/2004 12:11:19 AM PDT by A. Pole (<SARCASM> The genocide of Albanians was stopped in its tracks before it began.</S>)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
333 - "If the currency is devalued vs other currencies like the Yen and Euro that makes our goods cheaper, we sell more, their goods more expensive, we buy less."

Make what? Our factories are moving to china - we export nothing to them. The trade deficit is now $500 billion per year. We don't export enough to make any money, because we don't make anything anymore, for use here or for export.

Go overseas, and try to find anything american made. Go to walmart and try to find anything amercan made.

Duh ???
336 posted on 04/11/2004 12:15:02 AM PDT by XBob
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To: XBob
Not at all - but you seem to think there is no regulation of commerce, and corporations can do what they want. And the constitution specifically cites this responsibility as one of congress.

The government will do what it will but the corporation exists to make a profit, not to make you or government happy.

Corporations have no rights.

Wow, are you in favor of nationalization now?

337 posted on 04/11/2004 12:19:27 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot
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To: Toddsterpatriot
336 - I just bought a new pair of glasses. I tried to get some American made frames. Apparently we no longer make glasses in this country.

At 5 places I went, they only had Japanese, Chinese and Korean frames. No one had seen any american frames in years.

So - if we have a war with the orient, we go blind, as we have no glasses factories in this country.
338 posted on 04/11/2004 12:19:41 AM PDT by XBob
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To: Toddsterpatriot
The government will do what it will but the corporation exists to make a profit, not to make you or government happy.

dear clueless - for the umpteenth time, corporations only exist to make a profit within the rules that the government sets.
339 posted on 04/11/2004 12:22:39 AM PDT by XBob
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329 - "Fifty percent of OUR OWN CITIZENS are below the median in IQ level.

This is unacceptable!!! I blame Mexico and India.We need a government program to insure that 100% of our citizens are above the median IQ level."

Please help solve this problem by immediately denouncing your citizenship and leaving the country.

Stop it!! You're killing me!! I can't breathe!!

You make me laugh. I can assure you XBob that even if we shipped out all Americans who fell below the median IQ, if you measured the IQ of everyone who was left, you'd find that somehow 50% were once again below the median.

340 posted on 04/11/2004 12:24:03 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot
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