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An Open letter to President Bush (End run vs. Outsourcing)
Me | Me

Posted on 04/09/2004 12:22:04 PM PDT by Havoc

Dear Mr. President,

You don't know me, nor do I expect you to. But I'm one of those voices out here in the ether that actually did vote for you. I'm not one of those seminar caller types nor a Democrat pretending at being a republican to subvert the party faithful in dishonest fashion because their ideas aren't popular enough to win them anything. No, I'm a life-long republican who cherishes the memory of Ronald Reagan and who thought highly of you right up to the time you sunk a knife in my back economically.

Sir I understand it's a hard job being president. I also understand that in IT my job causes me to have to think on my feet and respond to an everchanging environment just to keep it. And while I was busting my behind for a company I happened to love doing a job I happened to love, you decided it's a good thing to do an endrun around equal protection and hand my job to a Mexican worker at 1/3 of the rate I'm being paid. Sir, Retail employees get paid more than that Full time and they're earning below the poverty level. The Job I hold for the moment requires a lot of hard work and problem solving skills, it requires good customer care skills, and it requires a long knowledge of Computers and software I didn't get from a degree but from practical experience.

I worked long and hard for years looking for the break that would get me in the door with my current employer. And I currently have a carreer with them. Or had, rather. I've worked for EDS for nearly 4 years. I will lose my job just short of that anniversary or just after it depending on how the breakdown happens.

I have a handicap that keeps me from driving a car. Not an official handicap, because it's so rare a problem that 1/2 of 1% of Americans have the condition so it doesn't rate being called what it is. I'm a blip on the screen. But, it means I have to live close to my employer and sometimes rely on others to help me get things done. I've lost everything and put my life back together 3 times in 15 years sir. And having just accomplished it again after 4 years with my employer, your policy has killed any protection I might have otherwise enjoyed from having my job destroyed by foriegn competition. And it puts me right back on the brink again. Sir, if I don't stand a chance of winning, it isn't competition - it's fish in a barrel. Where is my equal protection under the law?

The "competition" didn't get hired because of race or creed; but, because of national origin. They got hired because their cost of living is low enough that they can be paid sub-poverty wages to do my job. They are taking my job because they aren't constrained by the laws we have in this country to protect us and preserve our liberties. Lower cost of living, and no laws to constrain them. See, we used to have what was called ANTI-DUMPING laws on the books before Nafta to prevent the subversion of our economy by those who would attempt to compete on an unfair basis and put American firms out of business. We aren't a global economy, the globe is not the United States of America. They don't respect our rights, our Constitution, our laws or ourselves. The average citizen of the world might; but, we aren't dealing with them, we're dealing with the leaders who have their boots on the neck of the citizen of the world.

It seems today that I have to be a Mexican to get a fair shake in America. There are some 8 million of them here illegally as a tax on our system and working here taking jobs that Americans can do; but, which apparently, nobody wants to offer a fair wage for as long as they can get slave labor off the books. That isn't enough though. We need to employ More workers from Mexico, India, China.. As long as we're doing it, sire, why not be obvious and lets put Sally Struthers on the TV to advertise IT Jobs for the people under repressive regimes in africa who can live on 52 cents a day, "the price of a cup of coffee." I don't care what color their skin is, No citizen of the United states could live on that and shouldn't be asked to compete with it. It's too blatently obvious that it's unfair. And that seems to be why it's "good for us all".

Your policy sir. It's you on the tube telling me it's good for me to lose my job to a Mexican worker outside of our system and in a manner with which I cannot compete. There isn't a job comparable to it here that I can take to make up the difference cause those are being outsourced too. Outsourced. How about endran. Because sir, that is what is happening - it's an end run around our system - around our rights, our laws, our constitutional provisions and protections. Your policy has relieved me of my job without due process. It tied my hands before I had a chance to respond. And so many businesses are being forced to do the same thing, that I don't stand a chance any more than those earning 3 times what I do in the same field who have lost their jobs already and have had to take 11k a year Retail jobs just to eat while their houses go up for sale.

I don't have a degree. I don't get retraining. I just get to lose my job at the whim of your policies and will likely lose more than that in the end. You see, I bought a new home too - a year ago. This job made it possible for me to do that. And as with my Job, I had to get a huge break to be able to pull it off. I've been behind you and a cheerleader of yours since I first heard you speak. I understand that the tanking economy isn't your fault. I understand it isn't your fault we were attacked. I understand and agree with pretty much everything you've done to date, sir. This however is in my mind beyond sickening. It is a betrayal of myself, my coworkers and every other hard working IT worker, Auto worker, etc that has lost their job due to this. It is a betrayal by their government and their employer. And it's a distrust you've earned by subverting them and me. For me, it's not just my Government, it's my own party.

Now I've heard all the arguments for outsourcing and all the copout phrases about what we do about companies that have outsourced to the US. Tell me, sir, how many of them outsourced to do an endrun around their system of government, their constitution, their laws and their workers. How many of them outsourced to us to produce goods for their home market. That isn't an argument that flies with me in the face of doing an endrun around us. They've built plants in our land and are working within our market, within it's rules, within our laws, within the constraints of our constitution and are paying a competative wage. Our companies are doing the opposite. And any way you cut it, it is economic and constitutional tyranny. I'm not a single issue voter sir, until that single issue is my life and livelihood.. until members of my own party call me a robber and a thief for expecting to keep my job when I've worked my behind off to do so.

I did it right. I've busted my backside under an ever increasing workload, kept my promise to my employer and my client. Never missed a metric, never dropped the ball for either of them and have always exceeded expectation as a member of one of the best teams on this planet in my humble opinion. My job is gone not because we didn't produce and not because either couldn't afford it; but, because Mexicans work cheaper and don't have our protections, laws, rights or constitution. I have a strong work ethic and a loyalty to my company that even now makes me shudder to say a bad word about them. I have no illusions; but, I was raised that if you do your best it pays off. I know now that if you do your best, you get kicked in the teeth just as hard, and if you get ahead a little bit, the government will be there to kick you back down. I appreciate how hard your job is. Mine is pretty dang hard too. But how about you and everyone in government work for $600 a month from now on like the Mexican workers replacing us. How about you all work for the income you're forcing me into. If it's good for us, it should be good for you too. You, and all the ivory tower types in our party that hiss at me for being upset over losing my job and wanting to defend myself. How would that be, sir? I'd just as soon see little Tommy Daschle and Ted Kennedy go fly a kite as hear them spout one more offensive evil lie about you. But I'd just as soon, too, see you join them holding the string if you're gonna ruin me and tell me it's good for me. How about if we just outsource your jobs too - oh, wait, that would be unconstitutional too, wouldn't it.


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KEYWORDS: bush; endrun; immigration; newslavery; outsourcing
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To: Southack; Sam the Sham
Dropping the value of our dollar and halving our income levels will dramatically impare our ability to carry debt load. Do you guys have any idea what the hell you are talking about - NO. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see you guys are trying to destroy this economy by turning us into a third world country and multiplying our debt load. If the money is devalued and people earn less of it, that translates into an efective multiplying of our debt load because it then takes longer to pay it down.

For cryin out loud a kid with a 5th grade education can see that and you guys spout like this is utopia in the makings.
You don't have a clue what you're doing - that or you do and you're just the traitors everyone says you are.
261 posted on 04/10/2004 7:31:04 PM PDT by Havoc ("The line must be drawn here. This far and no further!")
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To: XBob
Sounds about right.

Much as I hate to say it, the more I look at the impact of this on our country, I can't see an option but to vote against my own party or find an alternative candidate that isn't trying to destroy our economy. Anyone think Rudy would run this time around for the nomination? What's his stand on this issue?
262 posted on 04/10/2004 7:38:02 PM PDT by Havoc ("The line must be drawn here. This far and no further!")
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To: XBob
But, but . . . I thought you care about jobs. [laughter]
263 posted on 04/10/2004 7:38:48 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Havoc
If the money is devalued and people earn less of it, that translates into an efective multiplying of our debt load because it then takes longer to pay it down.

Oh really? Wouldn't the debt be, devalued? If you loan me $100, and I devalue the dollar by half, then I simply need to pay you the equivalent of $50 to clear the book. No one but you thinks that the $100 debt magically expands to $200.

264 posted on 04/10/2004 7:43:26 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
263 - "But, but . . . I thought you care about jobs. [laughter]"

Not free traitor jobs. I wish to unemploy all of them, outsource them, and leave the jobs here for free patriots.
265 posted on 04/10/2004 7:43:33 PM PDT by XBob
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To: Havoc
"Dropping the value of our dollar and halving our income levels will dramatically impare our ability to carry debt load. Do you guys have any idea what the hell you are talking about - NO. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see you guys are trying to destroy this economy by turning us into a third world country and multiplying our debt load. If the money is devalued and people earn less of it, that translates into an efective multiplying of our debt load because it then takes longer to pay it down."

You've got it precisely backwards. If the Dollar loses value, then old debt is easier to repay, not harder...and new debt is easier to afford, not more expensive.

Dropping the value of the Dollar hurts bankers and those who hold mortgage notes. They made those loans back when the Dollar was worth more, after all, and now you are paying them back with Dollars that are worth less.

266 posted on 04/10/2004 7:45:52 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: XBob
Fine recipe. The over-paid willfully over-paying. To the barricades!
267 posted on 04/10/2004 7:46:20 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Bunk.

If my personal debt is $5000 and I go from earning 30k a year to 11k a year, my debt is still 5k. You can devalue the dollar and it is still 5k. The only thing that has changed is my ability to pay. Do you guys think about this stuff at all. Ask any average American put out of work by this crap if their debt load decreased as a result of their drop in pay. Who in hell are you trying to kid and who do you think your kidding!!!
268 posted on 04/10/2004 7:49:49 PM PDT by Havoc ("The line must be drawn here. This far and no further!")
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To: 1rudeboy; Havoc
So, you want what happened to Russia, to happen here.

Great - devalue the dollar to make it worth 2cents, and then you don't have to pay it back, and no one will loan your money, and what money you have won't buy anything.

Dumb Dumb Dumb
269 posted on 04/10/2004 7:50:05 PM PDT by XBob
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To: Havoc
The difference being, of course that in your example you are a victim of currency-devaluation. In the case of the Federal Government, it is doing the devaluating. Huge difference.
270 posted on 04/10/2004 7:52:01 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: XBob; All
Sorry for my language folks. But the more of this stuff I hear the more absolutely enraged it makes me.
271 posted on 04/10/2004 7:52:38 PM PDT by Havoc ("The line must be drawn here. This far and no further!")
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To: XBob
How do you know what I want? [hoot]
272 posted on 04/10/2004 7:52:56 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Havoc
Bump for future reading.
273 posted on 04/10/2004 7:54:21 PM PDT by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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To: XBob
You mean Marxists, don't you?
274 posted on 04/10/2004 7:57:01 PM PDT by Dat
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To: 1rudeboy
It translates to the same thing. Whether it's 5k or 5trillion. If you reduce income levels the debt doesn't stop being 5trillion. The ability to pay is impared and the debt stays the same. You're pulling the wool trying to hide that simple fact apparently. And from my chair, you only lie to a person about their debt load and ability to pay if you're trying to scuttle them. And if I had a TV studio to put you guys in for two hours in front of the American people to repeat all this stuff, I'd drag every last one of you in there in chains if I had to and force you to repeat it so the People could see your tripe for what it is.
275 posted on 04/10/2004 7:59:12 PM PDT by Havoc ("The line must be drawn here. This far and no further!")
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To: 1rudeboy
If you loan me $100, and I devalue the dollar by half, then I simply need to pay you the equivalent of $50 to clear the book.

That will only hold true so long as you have the market demand to adjust your wages for inflation. Otherwise you will still owe $100, you will earn the same, however imported goods (especially fuel) will cost 200% as much. You will have fewer disposable dollars with which to chase your debt.

If we really screw it up the US economy will lack the strength to maintain its GDP; so you may find yourself out of a job rather then getting debt relief. Free traders will tell us that additional manufacturing will be attracted by the lower dollars; but, that presumes that you have an expandable manufacturing base. As we have seen with Argentina and Mexico, currency devaluation does not always result in a manufacturing boom. No one wants to invest into an unstable political mess.
276 posted on 04/10/2004 8:04:19 PM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: Havoc
That's funny. Could I bring props? We could enact your loan scenario in a matter of moments. And it would only take a minute for your viewers to understand that you don't know what the heck you're talking about.
277 posted on 04/10/2004 8:05:05 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Havoc
Dropping the dollar's international exchange value would inflate the prices of foreign goods and hence contribute to inflation, but some of the slack would be taken up by domestic production, so the value of ratio of inflation rate to the devaluation rate would likely be much less than one to one. The victim would be consumers and the winner would be domestic producers, but without detailed information it would be hard to know what it would be.
278 posted on 04/10/2004 8:06:59 PM PDT by Dat
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To: Havoc
Likely a lot of these FReepers are small, self-employed businessfolk who are making a killing off selling us this cheap Chinese junk for American made prices and they can't stand the thought of anyone being pro-America enough to question their un-American business practices...

People are waking up...You can't be pro globalist and pro American at the same time...And there's still a lot of Americans out there...
279 posted on 04/10/2004 8:08:09 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: 1rudeboy
you aren't only rude, you are really stupid - read your own post, or are you so ignorant you are unaware of what happened to Russia?
280 posted on 04/10/2004 8:09:52 PM PDT by XBob
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