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10 U.S. Troops Killed in Iraqi Violence (4 April, 2004)
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Posted on 04/04/2004 4:22:35 PM PDT by Happy2BMe

By KHALID MOHAMMED

(AP) A demonstrator tries to contain the crowds during an anti-American protest in Baghdad, Iraq, Sunday...
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NAJAF, Iraq (AP) - Supporters of an anti-American cleric rioted in four Iraqi cities Sunday, killing eight U.S. troops and one Salvadoran soldier in the worst unrest since the spasm of looting and arson immediately after the fall of Saddam Hussein.

The U.S. military on Sunday reported two Marines were killed in a separate "enemy action" in Anbar province, raising the toll of American service members killed in Iraq to at least 610.

The rioters were supporters of anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr. They were angry over Saturday's arrest on murder charges of one of al-Sadr's aides, Mustafa al-Yacoubi, and the closure of a pro-al-Sadr newspaper.

Near the holy city of Najaf, a gunbattle at a Spanish garrison killed at least 22 people, including two coalition soldiers - an American and a Salvadoran.

(AP) Supporters of al-Sadr's self-styled militia, the al-Mahdi Army, walk towards Kufa, Iraq, Sunday...
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Fighting in the Baghdad neighborhood of Sadr City killed seven U.S. soldiers and wounded at least 24, the U.S. military said in a written statement.

A resident said two Humvees were seen burning in the neighborhood, and that some American soldiers had taken refuge in a building. The report could not be independently confirmed, and it was unclear whether the soldiers involved were those who died.

A column of American tanks was seen moving through the center of Baghdad Sunday evening, possibly headed toward the fighting.

The military said the fighting erupted after members of a militia loyal to radical Shiite Muslim cleric Muqtada al-Sadr took control of police stations and government buildings in the neighborhood.

Protesters clashed with Italian and British forces in other cities in a broad, violent challenge to the U.S.-led coalition, raising questions about its ability to stabilize Iraq ahead of a scheduled June 30 handover of power to Iraqis.

(AP) American special forces join coalition soldiers as the Spanish base comes under attack outside...
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With less than three months left before then, the U.S. occupation administrator appointed an Iraqi defense minister and chief of national intelligence.

"These organizations will give Iraqis the means to defend their country against terrorists and insurgents," L. Paul Bremer said at a press conference.

About three miles outside the holy city of Najaf, supporters of al-Sadr opened fire on the Spanish garrison during a street protest that drew about 5,000 people. The protesters were angry over the arrest of the cleric's aide, said the Spanish Defense Ministry in Madrid.

The attackers opened fire at about noon, said Cmdr. Carlos Herradon, a spokesman for the Spanish headquarters in nearby Diwaniyah.

The Spanish and Salvadoran soldiers inside the garrison fired back, and assailants later regrouped in three clusters outside the base as the shooting continued for several hours.

(AP) American soldiers take cover as the Spanish base comes under attack outside Kufa, 15 kms north of...
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Two soldiers - a Salvadoran and an American - died and nine other soldiers were wounded, the Spanish defense ministry said. No other details were available.

More than 200 people were wounded, said Falah Mohammed, director of the Najaf health department. El Salvador's defense minister said several Salvadoran soldiers were wounded.

The death toll of at least 20 included two Iraqi soldiers who were inside the Spanish base, witnesses said.

Spain has 1,300 troops stationed in Iraq, and the Central American contingent is of a similar size. The Salvadorans are under Spanish command as part of an international brigade that includes troops from Central America.

Multiple train bombings in Madrid last month that killed 191 people have been blamed on al-Qaida-linked terrorists, who said they were punishing Spain for its alliance with the United States in Iraq and Afghanistan.

(AP) A Salvadorean soldier runs for cover as his base comes under attack outside Kufa, 15 kms north of...
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Spain's new government, elected just days after the March 11 train bombings, has promised to make good on its pre-election promise to withdraw all Spanish troops from Iraq unless command for peacekeeping is turned over to the United Nations.

In El Salvador, the defense minister said the attack will not alter his country's role in reconstruction efforts.

"It reinforces even more our decision to continue helping a country that is suffering," Juan Antonio Martinez said Sunday.

The protesters were upset over the detention of al-Yacoubi, a senior aide to the 30-year-old al-Sadr, who opposes the U.S.-led occupation of Iraq. Al-Sadr is at odds with most Shiites, who hope to gain substantial power in the new Iraqi government.

Shiites comprise about 60 percent of Iraq's 25 million people but were brutally repressed by the regime of Saddam Hussein, a Sunni Muslim.

(AP) An American soldier runs for cover as the Spanish base comes under attack outside Kufa, 15 kms...
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At coalition headquarters in Baghdad, a senior official said on condition of anonymity that al-Yacoubi was detained Saturday on charges of murdering Abdel-Majid al-Khoei, a senior Shiite cleric who returned to Iraq after the U.S.-led invasion. A total of 25 arrest warrants were issued, and 13 suspects have been arrested, the official said.

Spanish-led forces said they did not participate in the arrest.

In central Baghdad's Firdaus Square, police fired warning shots during a protest by hundreds of al-Sadr supporters against al-Yacoubi's arrest. At least two protesters were injured, witnesses said.

In Kufa, near Najaf, al-Sadr supporters took over a police station and seized guns inside. No police were in sight.

In the southern city of Nasiriyah, Italian troops traded fire with militiamen demonstrating against al-Yacoubi's detention, said Lt. Col. Pierluigi Monteduro, chief of staff of Italian troops in the region. One Italian officer was wounded in the leg.

Also in the south, British troops clashed with protesters in Amarah, according to the Ministry of Defense in London. It was unclear whether there were casualties.

Al-Sadr's office in Baghdad issued a statement later Sunday calling off street protests and saying the cleric would stage a sit-in at a mosque in Kufa, where he has delivered fiery weekly sermons for months.

Al-Sadr supporters also were angered by the March 28 closure of his weekly newspaper by U.S. officials. The Americans alleged the newspaper was inciting violence against coalition troops.

The two U.S. Marines, both assigned to the 1st Marine Division, were killed by an "enemy action" in Anbar province Saturday, the military said. One died Saturday and the other Sunday, the statement said without providing details.

Anbar is an enormous stretch of land reaching to the Jordanian and Syrian borders west of Baghdad that includes Fallujah, a city where four American civilian contractors were slain Wednesday.

At a checkpoint in Samarra, about 60 miles north of Baghdad, that was manned by Iraqi Civil Defense personnel, a bomb killed three security officers and wounded another, workers at Samarra General Hospital said.

In Kirkuk, also in the north, a car bomb exploded, killing three civilians and wounding two others, police said.

Bremer on Sunday announced the appointments of Ali Allawi, the interim trade minister, as the new defense minister and Mohammed al-Shehwani, a former Iraqi air force officer who fled Iraq in 1990, as head of the Iraqi National Intelligence Service.

Late Sunday, U.N. envoy Lakhdar Brahimi and a team that will assist Iraqis in the political transition to an interim Iraqi government arrived in Baghdad, the United Nations said.



TOPICS: Front Page News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alsadr; alyacoubi; casualties; fallen; iraq; najaf; religionofpieces; sadrcity
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To: LonghornFreeper
I think martial law in Iraq might be a viable option, but it probably won't really be enforceable until we get a lot more Iraqis trained in law enforcement. Our guys can't do it alone. But with regard to post WWII Germany...there were many "terrorist" incidents in Germany during the initial years of our occupation. And I don't think the Germans were threatened by memories of Dresden as much as they were just absolutely defeated and starving. It's kind of hard to fight when your eating wood chips for survival.
221 posted on 04/04/2004 10:30:24 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: Rokke
"First, do no harm." was decided upon before the Fallujah killings. The Marines have been using valuble training time to learn to become- sociologist, teachers, facilitators.... . This would be nice if we had 10 years to train a Marine and we were guaranteed they'd last another 20, but that ain't the case.

And when the enemy is trying to kill you first, at no time should your mindset be one of "First, do no harm."

Matter of fact, that motto might be what one would expect from some tree hugging ecolove commune, not the USMC.

As for this guys personal record, remember - one F*** UP cancels 100 ataboys.

But you know what? Hopefully, the noncoms will translate this - First do no harm - crap to the troops on the line the way they have always done with stupid crap officers tend to dream up.

I can hear my Gunny saying right now: " Yeah, All Right Marines, Listen Up, The General has just added, eh, a lil somethin to our motto,
the new motto goes like this, "First Do No Harm, AFTER YOU KILL EM ALL."

LETS GO MARINES, WE GOT A JOB TO DO.
223 posted on 04/04/2004 10:51:22 PM PDT by TomasUSMC
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To: Rokke
Big question is, do we have an overal strategy to actually bring this to conclusion in 5-10 year time. People who think that counterinsurgency war can be won in matter of a year or 2 are kidding themselves. The all out response is not guaranteed to give victory(unless US is willing to commit total genocide ala Serbs), egyptians during their war vs tribal insurgents in Yemen used everything in their arsenal. This includes gasing villages with nerv gas in retribution, mass masacres etc USSR did not pull any punches in Afganistan. Napalming civilians, using toys loaded with plastic explosives etc And now Russian actions in Chechnya. What good did it do?

Counterinsurgency is not a normal war. It can be won but it is not by massacres or just by trying to be nice(DO NO HARM eek..). I will not pretend that I know the solution. Brits did something right in Malaya. This is probably the only recent successful example. Hopefully US Army has some good ideas about what to do.
224 posted on 04/04/2004 11:04:30 PM PDT by dimk
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To: Happy2BMe
The two U.S. Marines, both assigned to the 1st Marine Division, were killed by an "enemy action" in Anbar province Saturday
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Sempre fi my brothers. God bless you for your courage and patriotism in the line of fire. Your not forgotten here. Go 1st Division! Kick A$$!!
225 posted on 04/04/2004 11:22:10 PM PDT by hdrider
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To: Rokke
Sorry, but that is a simple fact

No need to apologize, but a source would be nice regarding this organized ambush.

226 posted on 04/04/2004 11:34:15 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
"Lord what a load of crap you armchair tacticians are trying to sell. And you can't tell the difference between a skirmish and a battle."

Tell, me General - your military experience?
How many "skirmishes or battles" have you fought -- and what is the difference...
Tell, me General - how many of your family members have gone to Iraq/Afghanistan, and put at risk?

What exactly from MY post, got your shorts in a knot?

Semper Fi

227 posted on 04/04/2004 11:59:50 PM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek -- but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: river rat; B4Ranch; Joe Hadenuf; MeekOneGOP; Salem; txflake; dennisw
Several killed in Fallujah scuffles
From correspondents in Fallujah
April 5, 2004

SEVERAL people were killed and others wounded today when US troops fought insurgents in the restive Sunni Muslim town of Fallujah, west of Baghdad, a witness said.

There was no official confirmation of the report but US forces sealed all the roads leading to Fallujah, barricading residents inside the flashpoint town

"US forces bombed the Goland residential neighbourhood after coming under mortar attack from unknown assailants," Borhan Abed, a resident of the northern Fallujah neighbourhood, said.

Several people were killed, others wounded and some houses hit, said Abed, adding that he went on to the roof of his house when the fighting started and saw US aircraft overhead.

According to Abed the fighting erupted at 4.00 am (10am AEST) and lasted 90 minutes.

US forces erected sand barricades on roads and bridges leading in and out of Fallujah.

The US-led occupation forces said meanwhile that they had closed the highways linking Baghdad to Jordan that run through Fallujah and the neighbouring town of Ramadi. The roads are normally busy each day with travellers entering and leaving Iraq.

Four US civilian contractors were ambushed last week by gunmen in Fallujah and the bodies of two hacked and mutilated, sending shock waves across the world. The US military has vowed a painful retaliation.

From news.com.au

228 posted on 04/05/2004 12:53:57 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (U.S.A. - - United We Stand - - Divided We Fall - - Support Our Troops - - Vote BUSH)
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To: Happy2BMe
Finally, it starts...
The Marines have a few large and old debts to settle.
Good news....now we need to pray for our young men.

Semper Fi
229 posted on 04/05/2004 1:43:07 AM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek -- but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
The pro-Coalition Iraqi police has apparently been attacked on several locations, with rioters besieging police stations. As for pro-Coalition unarmed civilians, well, they probably stayed home and tried to stay alive.
230 posted on 04/05/2004 3:14:37 AM PDT by Atlantic Friend (Cursum Perficio)
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To: pickemuphere; section9; Happy2BMe
Don't you get it? There isn't going to be any "Fallujah thing." ....

Marines Encircle Fallujah
(Operation Valiant Resolve commencing)

FALLOUJA, Iraq — Thousands of Marines surrounded this anti-American stronghold early today in preparation for a complex raid to retake control of the city and apprehend those responsible for last week's slayings of four U.S. security contractors.

The highly anticipated action, dubbed Operation Valiant Resolve, was expected to be one of the biggest military offensives since the fall of Saddam Hussein's government a year ago.

All roads leading to this city of 300,000 were cut off and barricaded with tanks and concertina wire. Working through the cold and windy desert night, under a large moon, Marines set up camps for detainees and residents who might flee any fighting. Before dawn, several Marine positions were hit by mortar rounds and rocket-propelled grenade fire. Bursts of automatic gunfire could be heard throughout the city.


231 posted on 04/05/2004 3:15:44 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Become a monthly donor on FR. No amount is too small and monthly giving is the way to go !)
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To: Robert_Paulson2
"Raze Fallujah, or get out"

ONLY Fallujah ? Is the problem so local ? Is Iraq a nice, friendly country except for Fallujah ?
232 posted on 04/05/2004 5:06:04 AM PDT by Atlantic Friend (Cursum Perficio)
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To: LonghornFreeper
Well, maybe the Germans didn't "pull a Fallujah" because of Dresden, but I'm sure they mostly didn't do it because the German civilians were not fanatics that thought they had nothing to lose, because they planned a better life for their kids and for themselves, and did not fantasize about 72 virgins awaiting them for unearthly pleasures.

That being said, I couldn't agree more with your proposition of a strict, martial order. Razing Fallujah means having another city-sized riot the following day, be it in Iraq or elsewhere in the Arab world. Mercilessly tracking and eliminating insurgents, while at the same time maintaining the order with an impartial iron grip is the best way to handle the situation and have the Iraqis prove where they stand.

Discipline, honor and restraint may not be the funniest way to win the battle, but it's the only reasonable thing to expect from professional soldiers.
233 posted on 04/05/2004 5:20:04 AM PDT by Atlantic Friend (Cursum Perficio)
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To: MeekOneGOP
The highly anticipated action, dubbed Operation Valiant Resolve, was expected to be one of the biggest military offensives since the fall of Saddam Hussein's government a year ago.

The name of the operation certainly is impressive; however, a series of "precise raids" falls far short of what Fallujah deserves. We'll see...

234 posted on 04/05/2004 5:23:14 AM PDT by pickemuphere
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To: pickemuphere
Have faith in President Bush and our very capable military.


235 posted on 04/05/2004 5:40:25 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Become a monthly donor on FR. No amount is too small and monthly giving is the way to go !)
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To: Happy2BMe; TrueBeliever
I respectfully disagree.

Military tactics and timing of operations should have nothing to do with rage. An operation should be properly planned, supported, and executed.

Fallujah is a town of about 150,000 people. That makes it about the size of Charleston, West Virginia. It is entirely possible for a riot to take place on one side of Charleston and the people on the other side have NO IDEA that it has taken place. They are separated by quite a bit of distance. Even in my small Ohio town of 1800, it's possible to do something on one side of town and the other side not have a clue.

All this is to say that not everyone in Fallujah is guilty of the murder of our 4 countrymen. Nor should we have a response that endangers the lives of everyone in that town.

Jonah in the "Jonah & Whale" story wanted the entire town of Ninevah destroyed. God told Jonah that He had concern for the thousands of people who lived there, some "who did not know their right hand from their left."

At the time of the murders, I would have gladly dropped a 155 round right in the middle of that mob that had gathered....they all had some culpability whether direct or not.

But, we are doing what's right. We aren't firebombing innocents. We've cordoned the city. We're gonna search it. We will clear it of all weapons and arrest those who have them. We will engage those who engage us.

My son is over there, too. He has his weapon all the time, and his rules of engagement enable him to attack anyone who gives him reason to be suspicious. He doesn't have to wait for them to shoot at him first.
236 posted on 04/05/2004 6:33:54 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Proud of It!)
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To: river rat
How about the tone of knee-jerk hysteria, foaming-at-the-mouth calls for blood (any blood would do), the utter lack of patience when the President warned us this would be a long drawn out process. In short the total lack of wisdom and sanity.

My post speaks for itself.
237 posted on 04/05/2004 7:22:02 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Yeah, all those Mexicans driving planes into buildings are a real threat. You seem unable to distinguish between military/security matters and social concerns/problems. Such a confused perspective can never lead to appropriate political solutions.

Illegal aliens are a concern but to pretend they are a matter of life and death is simply ignorant or political rhetoric. For the vast majority of the life of our Republic there were no "illegal aliens" Mexicans wandered back and forth across the border with no concern from the locals. Now that the riches of the North pull them over more often it has become a problem for the states on the border but please don't pretend that this is the problem for most of the population that it is for you. They are accepted (often happily) by far too many of your countrymen. Until that changes this problem won't be addressed and wild, inappropriate or false rhetoric won't help you get to a solution.

Bush has provided tremendous leadership in dealing with our principal danger- the Islamaniacs who want to kill us. His re-election is crucial for our Nation.
238 posted on 04/05/2004 7:32:10 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Here's an open source media report excerpt.

"April 2 — The four American contractors who were killed and mutilated in Iraq were "targets of opportunity" who had the bad luck to drive into a pre-planned ambush site, U.S. intelligence sources say.
Iraqi insurgents had set up several ambush points around Fallujah, the city west of Baghdad that is a hotbed of anti-American sentiment, and had stocked them with gasoline on the morning of the attack, intelligence sources told ABCNEWS.
Some townspeople had been warned to stay inside.
"This was clearly an attack to get maximum media exposure," said one source.
The four contractors left the Iraqi city of Taji on Tuesday to escort a convoy of several flatbed trucks full of goods. The plan was to spend the night at a U.S. base called TQ, west of Fallujah. Instead, the convoy ended up at a base east of Fallujah.
On Wednesday morning, with two contractors in the lead SUV and two others in an SUV at the rear of the flatbeds, a decision was made to drive through Fallujah.
Each of the security guards was armed with an assault rifle and an automatic pistol. The contractors also had satellite communications on board.
At around 8 a.m., the convoy approached a traffic circle on highway 10 going into the city.
According to intelligence sources, eyewitnesses say a vehicle full of gunmen pulled in front of the lead SUV, while occupants from several other vehicles fired Kalashnikov machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades.
The contractors were killed, but the truck drivers escaped by driving away. "

Sorry, I don't know how to link, but here is the URL where you can read the rest of the story.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/World/fallujah_attack_040402-1.html

239 posted on 04/05/2004 8:03:41 AM PDT by Rokke
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Yeah, we can tell how serious they are about America's security and terrorism, while millions crash our borders routinely, creating epic, nationwide fraud, crime, while choking off our schools, social services etc. Not to mention the titanic national security time bomb this has created.

Yeah, all those Mexicans driving planes into buildings are a real threat.

So it's only millions of Mexican's that are ignoring our laws and borders? There couldn't be hundreds, or even thousands entering with them with agendas of death?

And then you make this extremely ignorant statement like this below?

You seem unable to distinguish between military/security matters and social concerns/problems.

You obviously wouldn't know a massive security threat if walked into it face first.

Tell me Mr. Security expert, how you know that there are not north Koreans, terrorist groups, religious fanatics, communist Chinese, drug dealers, and others with agendas of death not pouring in along with the millions of Mexican's that are ignoring our laws?

Could you explain to all of us Mr. security expert how you know this? And why would an enemy NOT take advantage of this?

Bush has provided tremendous leadership in dealing with our principal danger

Then tell me Mr. security expert, why did the President fail to reform our out of control immigration policies, and secure our borders and sovereignty at midnight on 9-11?

If we are so damn concerned about the terrorist threat to America, why in hell are we allowing literally millions, from God knows where, to enter this country illegally, at will, routinely?

Those of us that are not in a coma, understand it's a national security timebomb.

240 posted on 04/05/2004 8:30:33 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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