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[2banana]

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded sense of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing _worth_ a war, is worse. When a people are used as mere human instruments for firing cannon or thrusting bayonets, in the service and for the selfish purposes of a master, such war degrades a people. A war to protect other human beings against tyrannical injustice; a war to give victory to their own ideas of right and good, and which is their own war, carried on for an honest purpose by their free choice, --is often the means of their regeneration. A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares about more than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. As long as justice and injustice have not terminated _their_ ever-renewing fight for ascendancy in the affairs of mankind, human beings must be willing, when need is, to do battle for the one against the other."
--John Stuart Mill (1806-1873), "The Contest In America," Fraser's Magazine, February 1862 [reprinted in Mill's_Dissertations and Discussions, vol.1 p.26 (1868)] <>

"Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than live as slaves."
--Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill (1874-1965),_The Gathering Storm,_bk.I ch.19 p.348 (Houghton Mifflin, 1948)

"Sons of Scotland! I am William Wallace - and I see a whole army of my countrymen here in defiance of tyranny. You've come to fight as free men, and free men you are. What will you do with that freedom? Will you fight? Aye, fight and you may die. Run and you'll live. At least awhile. And, dying in your beds, many years from now, would you be willing to trade all the days from this day to that, for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives, but they'll never take our freedom!" --Mel Gibson as William Wallace, speaking to the Scots - outnumbered three to one - on the battlefield at Stirling Bridge, A.D. 1297. (Braveheart, 1995)

[Bahbah]

Wow. Wake up, Europe, please.

[Uncle Miltie]

If the U.S. does not defeat radical Islam, and Europe continously tries to sit out the WOT, I predict an overland conventional invasion of Europe by Muslims in about 2050. Given substantial local sympathizers, Mainland Europe would by 100% Vichy-Islamist.

And I won't argue for their rescue.

[Ohioan]

I believe that both European nations and America lack their traditional moral fibre to defend their ongoing heritages. The debate over Iraq only masks the real issue. (And I am not evading the debate over Iraq. I feel that we won a quick impressive victory, for which our Defense Department deserves high praise. I also believe that our drawn out presence in Iraq is the wrong tactic--the totally wrong tactic--in the War on Terror.)

But the real issue in the West is that we have allowed a combination of Leftist theorists and spoiled airheads to denigrate the historic progression of generations in our various ethnic heritages. In Europe, the justification for the EU is complex, but in elevating an abstraction over a thousand years of history, it has destroyed the concept by which the manhood of each generation, measures their mettle against that of preceding generations. But much the same process has taken place in America, with the embrasure of diversity as a positive moral good.

One of the clearest examples of the breakdown in moral fibre, connected with a downplaying of ancestral identifications, came in what happened in the throes of the great drive to integrate school populations, both North & South in the late 1950s through the 1960s. The illegitimacy rates in both races exploded. Since this time period also corresponded with enormous advances in the availability of contraceptives, it is difficult to ignore the obvious relationship between breaking down the sense of community identification in each race, and the breakdown in family structure.

Just some random thoughts.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

[OldFriend]

RIP and don't call us when you need rescue!

[pax_et_bonum]

ping

[TomHarkinIsNotFromIowa]

Europe is Rohan. You can pick who is Grima Wormtongue. Kerry, Kinton, or Chiraq.

Théoden: So much death. What can men do against such reckless hate?
Aragorn: Ride out with me. Ride out and meet them.
Théoden: For death and glory.
Aragorn: For Rohan. For your people.

[PeoplesRep_of_LA]

The problem with most of Western Europe, is that it wants to be safe, but still won't guard itself, yet no longer wants America on "that wall." That means that Western Europe will be defeated by Islamism.

Another interesting read, wetter tell your neighbors!

[Sprite518]

He nails it on the head with this statement.

"From 1945-1990, Western Europe lived under the shadow of the Soviet "Empire of Evil" (Ronald Reagan), and yet it was safe from being overrun, because we protected it. And so, while America spent billions on Europe's defense, Europe could spend billions on decadent welfare programs which further sapped its moral strength. The result was the same as it always is, with those who get used to getting a free ride. Rather than gratitude, Europeans felt resentful and superior towards us."

[Free ThinkerNY]

[ex-snook]

"The world changed on Sunday," March 14, "

Nah. The world changed some time ago when the Western Civilization birth rate dropped below replacement. Europe is just the canary. Demographics rule.