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Goss Questions Truthfulness of Clarke’s 2002 Testimony- could launch investigation soon
Roll Call ^ | 3-25-2004 | Ethan Wallison

Posted on 03/25/2004 2:44:08 PM PST by brothers4thID

House Intelligence Chairman Porter Goss (R-Fla.) said Wednesday that former White House anti-terror czar Richard Clarke, the author of a new book critical of President Bush’s handling of the al Qaeda threat before Sept. 11, 2001, may have lied in testimony to his committee, and said he plans to explore whether Congressional action on the matter is warranted.

Clarke’s “testimony to our committee is 180 degrees out of line with what he is saying in his book,” Goss said. “He’s either lying in his book or he lied to our committee. It’s one or the other.”

Goss added, “If he was lying to a Congressional committee, he’s got a big problem on his hands here.”

Goss did not reveal the substance of the alleged contradictions. But he waved a print-out from the Fox News Channel’s Web site that detailed apparent discrepancies between statements Clarke delivered in 2002 and allegations made in his controversial new memoir, “Against All Enemies.”

Goss suggested that the statements from 2002 more accurately reflected the substance of what Clarke had told the Intelligence panel during that time.

Goss did not specify whether the allegedly contradictory testimony had been made in closed-door session before his committee or the joint Congressional committee that conducted its own separate investigation of the Sept. 11 attacks — or both.

The earlier statements, which surfaced Wednesday, came from a recording of a “background” briefing Clarke provided to reporters while he was still a White House aide. In them, Clarke describes early and aggressive anti-terror efforts in the Bush White House that built significantly on the previous planning by the Clinton administration.

Goss was unwilling to speculate on a potential course of action, saying he is “still trying to understand” what Clarke is contending now.

“You can be sure I’ll be looking at it,” Goss said. “I don’t want people lying to Congressional committees.”

A conviction of lying to Congress carries potential jail time as a penalty.

Clarke’s newest account of the Bush administration’s anti-terror efforts before 9/11 has unleashed a fiercely contested debate over the truthfulness of the former White House aide, who served in four consecutive administrations going back to President Ronald Reagan.

Already, the anti-Bush group MoveOn.Org has launched television spots that quote Clark saying, as he launched the publicity for his book this week, “Frankly, I find it outrageous that a president is running for re-election on the grounds that he’d done such great things on terrorism. He ignored terrorism for months, when maybe we could have done something to stop 9/11.”

A different assessment emerges from the briefing Clarke provided to reporters in 2002. “The Bush administration decided then, you know, in late January [2001], to do two things. One, vigorously pursue the existing policy, including all of the lethal covert action findings. The second thing the administration decided to do is to initiate a process to look at those issues which had been on the table for a couple of years and get them decided.”

Clarke added, “That process, which was initiated in the first week in February [2001], decided in principle in the spring to add to the existing Clinton strategy and to increase CIA resources, for example, for covert action, five-fold, to go after al-Qaeda.”

In sworn testimony Wednesday, Clarke told the commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks that the discrepancies reflected the “political” role he needed to perform on the Bush administration’s behalf after the attacks.

Asked by former Illinois Gov. James Thompson (R), a member of the commission, whether he believes the comments made in the 2002 recording are consistent with the information provided in his book and in his recent press interviews, Clarke responded, “I do.”

Clarke nevertheless adjusted the tenor of his criticism slightly. In contrast to the charge that the White House “ignored” the threat from al Qaeda, Clarke said, “I feel the Bush administration in the first eight months considered terrorism an important issue, but not an urgent issue.”

The Clarke transcript from 2002 emerged after the White House agreed to permit Fox News to reveal the identity of the background briefer. That action drew strong criticism from Democrats, including commission member and former Sen. Bob Kerrey (D-Neb.), who suggested that the White House had violated a pact it made with the press in order to discredit the former aide.

Efforts to reach several Intelligence Committee Democrats on Thursday were unsuccessful.

A publicist for Clarke’s publisher, Simon & Schuster, said, “We always stand by the books that we publish.”

Meanwhile, Senate Minority Leader Thomas Daschle (D-S.D.) lashed out at the White House on Thursday for what he alleged to be “character attacks” on Clarke.

“Instead of dealing with it factually, they’ve launched a shrill attack to destroy Mr. Clarke’s credibility,” Daschle alleged in a speech on the Senate floor. He did not cite specifics.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: clarke; congress; daschle; dasshole; goss; iraq; perjury; portergoss; richardclarke; terrorism
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To: hoosiermama
Yes,or go to the "media" links on FR and click on NY Post.
41 posted on 03/25/2004 8:13:49 PM PST by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: brothers4thID
Daschle wouldn't know the truth if it bit him.
42 posted on 03/25/2004 8:20:06 PM PST by dalebert
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To: brothers4thID
bookmark for later reading
43 posted on 03/25/2004 8:24:17 PM PST by lonevoice (Some things have to be believed to be seen)
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To: brothers4thID
Porter Goss is a serious individual whose expertise is security issues. He certainly could never be described as a partisan hack.
44 posted on 03/25/2004 8:26:34 PM PST by DLfromthedesert
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To: brothers4thID
He won't be found guilty of lying to Goss's committee.

It's his 9/11 commission testimony from yesterday that will be found to be false.

I agree, an investigation into the former should be done as it would provide the basis for demonstrating the latter.

I will not hold my breath that Clarke will face a penalty, so will be content for the documentation to spell it out for posterity.
45 posted on 03/25/2004 8:50:12 PM PST by cyncooper ("The 'War on Terror ' is not a figure of speech")
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To: Leroy S. Mort
"He'll probably just fade away like Wilson and O'Neill after a few weeks. And then there'll be another."

And we already know who the "another" will be. And when.

Amb. Joseph C. Wilson IV, he of the sweet mint tea "Mission to Niger" fame, esteemed foreign affairs advisor to Mssr. John Effin' Kerry, will be next. His tissue of lies, “The Politics of Truth: Inside the Lies that Led to War and Exposed My Wife's CIA Identity--A Diplomat's Memoir”, is scheduled for release on April 30, 2004.

46 posted on 03/25/2004 8:51:33 PM PST by okie01 (www.ArmorforCongress.com...because Congress isn't for the morally halt and the mentally lame.)
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To: alloysteel
It is not criminal to print lies in a book, as when the writer puts the words on paper, no oath is sworn out, no affidavit is signed. The book really should be reclassified as fiction, however.

He took an oath in front of the 9/11 commission yesterday and proceeded to testify according to his book.

47 posted on 03/25/2004 8:52:27 PM PST by cyncooper ("The 'War on Terror ' is not a figure of speech")
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To: Torie
This is serious. Porter Goss is a serious man, an ex spook and a man with nothing to lose. This is gonna be something.
48 posted on 03/25/2004 8:52:36 PM PST by jwalsh07 (We're bringing it on John but you can't handle the truth!)
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To: jwalsh07
Clarke is very skilled at explaining it all away. I listened to the bastard. He is even better at it than Clinton. Of couse, Goss might have heard more than has hit the media. Goss is a serious and a relatively non partisan figure. He's pissed, and I'm pissed. Birds of a feather. :)He's probably just venting, but maybe not.
49 posted on 03/25/2004 8:55:56 PM PST by Torie
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To: cyncooper
He won't be found guilty of lying to Goss's committee.

It's his 9/11 commission testimony from yesterday that will be found to be false.

Either way, Bush wins.

50 posted on 03/25/2004 8:57:18 PM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: pushforbush
Here is what the article says:

Goss suggested that the statements from 2002 more accurately reflected the substance of what Clarke had told the Intelligence panel during that time.

You say:

well Clark could go down for lying to Goss's committee.

My guess is Clarke is not going down for lying to Goss's committee. Goss is saying he told us one thing then and now he's saying something else. Which is true? So far documentation supports Clarke utterances from before the book came out.

Of course, I don't know all of what he said back then. I do know on the Senate side Chris Shays was frustrated with Clarke's cooperation and attitude as far back as July 2000, so perhaps he was less than forthcoming. But my point is the book and yesterday's testimony are the areas where Clarke can be proven as lying, so that's where I think this would head.

51 posted on 03/25/2004 8:58:06 PM PST by cyncooper ("The 'War on Terror ' is not a figure of speech")
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To: Torie
Clarke testified before the House and Senate Intelligence Committees in closed session. LAst night Saxby Chambliss said that the testimony he gave in the senate was 180 degrees out of phase with his TV and Commission appearances. Now Goss says the same thing about his House appearance.

And to top it off Lehman said that the 15 hours oof testimony given by Clarke in closed session to the Commission was 180 out from his grandstanding. He's a hack, he hates Bush because he didn't get Condi Rices job or an appointment as second in command of Homeland Security and he has friends in the media and on the left. But he's also got a record. If I was Bush, I'd have Rice testify, let the House and Senate have hearings on his testilying and tie him to the dems who have come out to support him.

This is make or break, if they buts Dubyas credibility vis a vis the WOT we can't win. Fight the bastards to the death. Draw bayonets. Lock and Load. CHARGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

52 posted on 03/25/2004 9:02:34 PM PST by jwalsh07 (We're bringing it on John but you can't handle the truth!)
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To: jwalsh07
Yes, it's time to put a stop to the game playing. And lying,under oath, to a Congressional committee IS perjury and considered to be a criminal act.
53 posted on 03/25/2004 9:05:12 PM PST by nopardons
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To: jwalsh07
I agree that is important that both sides fully vent on this issue, and that it all comes out, and do it in a way that captures the attention of the soccer moms. Clarke's main beef is that Bush moved too deliberately in taking the gloves off, although they were about to come off after deliberation, when it all came down. If Bush had said just do it, as soon as he was inaugurated, the charge that he was a reckless cowboy still fighting the Alamo, and a warmonger, who was in favor of reckless and destabilizing preemptive action, would have been the talking point of the day. Hey, it is NOW isn't it, even after 9-11? One can't win for losing.

F 'em, all of them.

54 posted on 03/25/2004 9:08:57 PM PST by Torie
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To: Howlin
See my #30...he'll fit right in.
55 posted on 03/25/2004 9:28:30 PM PST by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: jwalsh07
His obvious perjury is why the rats have been out there attacking the attacks against Clarke with such a vengeance today. They have got to head this off at the pass so to speak. IOW, Clarke is the victim of the RNC hit squad. See liars are okay, unless they are Pubbies.
56 posted on 03/25/2004 9:32:31 PM PST by ladyinred (Weakness Invites War. Peace through Strength.)
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To: ladyinred
And now er have to listen to the liar as an ABC news "consultant"!
57 posted on 03/25/2004 9:35:39 PM PST by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: lainde
ABC has a news program 8-?

Is that what you call it?

lol.. You could have fooled me. :-\
58 posted on 03/25/2004 9:42:23 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi Mac ... Support Our Troops! ... Thrash the demRats in November!!! ... Beat BoXer!!!)
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To: jackbill
"Daschle has a vested interest. I believe that it was he who appointed Roemer, Ben-Veniste and Gore-lick to the committee."

Can someone tell me how in the hell he was able to pull this off without any debate or challenges from anyone? This is so outrageous that they would have such partisans ruling or judging such an important matter.

To be fair, is there the same type of partisanship on the Republican side?

59 posted on 03/25/2004 9:46:40 PM PST by M. Peach (eschew obfuscation)
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To: brothers4thID
Where is my Senator Coleman on this? He runs that investigations committee in the Senate. He needs to be pestered.
60 posted on 03/25/2004 9:57:15 PM PST by Jim_Curtis (Free Milosevic.....Jail Annan)
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