Why Lie About This, Senator? (Rush on Kerry's Kansas City VVAW lies)

Rush Limbaugh Show ^ | March 23rd, 2004 | Rush Limbaugh

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RUSH: I need to ask you a question. Why lie about this? This is a story by John Kerry and where he was in 1971. Says he wasn't someplace, turns out he was. Why lie when there were witnesses? Why lie about it when people can say he's lying, he was there. You may have heard about this story. This was posted last Saturday in the Kansas City Star. Headline: Kerry Hedges on '71 Kansas City Meeting.

[Reading from KC Star] “Confronted with 32-year-old FBI records, Sen. John Kerry's campaign all but conceded he did attend a 1971 Kansas City meeting where a fellow anti-war veteran called for the assassinations of U.S. Senators. Those active in Vietnam Veterans Against the War at the time stress that the suggestion for such a violent approach was angrily rejected. They say their memories do not include Kerry taking part in the radical discussion. A statement Thursday by Kerry's camp said that Kerry didn't recall the meeting, although FBI surveillance material and the group's archives clearly show that Kerry resigned from his national coordinator post at this very meeting. In interviews last week, the senator's campaign insisted that he clearly remembered bolting from the group months earlier." He couldn't have been in Kansas City, he couldn't have been at this meeting because he quit months earlier, wasn't even there.

"Responding to a request by The Kansas City Star that staffers question the candidate about the meeting, Kerry passed word March 12 that he ‘never, ever’ attended a meeting of Vietnam Veterans Against the War after a heated and public argument with the group's executive secretary in St. Louis in June 1971." Now this was a November meeting in Kansas City and he was there.

“In a prepared statement late Thursday night, however, campaign spokesman David Wade [who originally identified me and Sean Hannity as the lying crooks of the Republican attack machine] traveling with Kerry in Idaho, said: ‘John Kerry had no personal recollection of this meeting 33 years ago. John Kerry does recall the disagreements with elements of VVAW leadership… that led to his resignation. If there are valid FBI surveillance reports from credible sources that place some of those disagreements in Kansas City, we accept that historical footnote…”

What is this gibberish? So he said we weren't there, Kerry resigned in St. Louis earlier in the year, he wasn't there but if you've got FBI tapes to show he was there, okay, then we'll concede he was there. But he wasn't there. Now, if you've got these surveillance tapes, fine, then we'll concede that his memory is such that he was there, wasn't there, but he doesn't remember it, you have to go to surveillance tapes to prove it. If he doesn't think he was there, he wasn't there, and he does remember leaving, doesn't matter if he was there, because he left. And that's all that matters. John Kerry left Kansas City in November of 1971, and that's what everybody needs to focus on. He may have been there, that's true, but he left. He wasn't there after he was there. That's John Kerry's statement and he's sticking to it, he wasn't there after he was there, doesn't remember being there but if the FBI's got tapes, okay, proves he left.

Why lie about this? I'll tell you why lie about it, because this was a meeting at which -- and this little statement here makes it sound like the guy that suggested this was a lone wolf. It was not just one guy. And I wouldn't say there's a large consensus opinion, but this got some support at this meeting, there were seven U.S. senators, I don't remember the names, that the Vietnam Veterans Against the War wanted to assassinate, and Kerry, "I wasn't there," and they found he was there, so he had to backtrack.

So why the lie? Because Kerry himself did not call for the assassinations, right? He didn't call for the assassinations, and the group apparently didn't support it, I mean it was, you know, somebody suggested it but they didn't vote for it, Kerry didn't support so why lie about it? Folks, there's something not right about this. I'm not talking about the details in the story. Why lie about something that you know is going to be proved a lie?

I'll just tell you what I think based on, you know, I've had some introduction into psychobabble, and I think I understand how the psychobabblers look at this kind of stuff. And Kerry thinks that he's a big enough guy that if he says he wasn't there, that's it, and who are you to challenge my integrity? That's the only thing I can figure. There's got to be some sort of arrogance associated with this that makes you think that even if you are discovered to be a liar, that it isn't any big deal, it's none of your business anyway, I didn't do anything wrong, so I may as well not have been there in the first place.

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[river rat]

I haven't heard that version...and I'm sure there are enough guys from that organization that will provide SEVERAL versions...

One guy on TV earlier this evening -- said the fellow that brought up the idea was "hooted down" and ignored...

I'd need to see proof of more than that to get excited..

The one "fact" that does disturb me - is that Kerry first denied he was at that meeting... This alone leads me to believe that he has something pretty awful to hide, or he's too damned stupid to realize that the truth will come out in a situation like this...

We'll see.
Semper Fi

[PeoplesRepublicOfWashington]

Kerry lies for the same reason that Clinton lied--it works!

[Sabertooth]

I haven't heard that version...and I'm sure there are enough guys from that organization that will provide SEVERAL versions...

The account I gave is from Gerald Nicosia, Kerry's sympathetic biographer.

One guy on TV earlier this evening -- said the fellow that brought up the idea was "hooted down" and ignored...

That was Randy Barnes, who's working on his third or fourth version of events (he gave two tonight, apparently) since this story started breaking.

John Gibson, interviewing a VVAW member who was at the 1971 KC meeting on Fox just moments ago, asked if Kerry was there. The gentleman said he did not remember Kerry being at the meeting at all.

But Gibson's redirect won the day. Gibson outlined the Phoenix Program (a military operation aimed at knocking off North Vietnamese leaders) and talked about Scott Camil's suggestion that VVAW pursue a domestic Phoenix operation to kill US Senators supporting the war. Gibson asked the vet (I didn't catch his name) how Kerry reacted to the plan. The vet said Kerry didn't like the plan and loudly argued against it. He thereby accidentally proved that Kerry was there at the meeting, and that he (the vet Gibson was interviewing) was not telling the truth when he said he did not recall Kerry being at the meeting at all. He did recall Kerry's presence enough to remember details about the argument, he just lied about it when asked directly earlier in the inverview.

Curious, no? Is Kerry asking veterans to go to bat for him and lie to the press about that meeting and his attendance? It sure looks like it.

Now why would he do that?

Posted by B. Preston at 06:06 PM

Documents reveal FBI surveillance of Kerry in early 1970s
KMSB, AZ - 6 hours ago
... A second confidential source" reported that in a university speech, Kerry "related his ... opener and had a piece of tape over the top," Randy Barnes, who headed ...

Documents reveal FBI surveillance of Kerry in early 1970s
CNN - 7 hours ago
... A second confidential source" reported that in a university speech, Kerry "related his ... opener and had a piece of tape over the top," Randy Barnes, who headed ...

Documents reveal FBI surveillance of Kerry
CNN - 14 hours ago
... A second confidential source" reported that in a university speech, Kerry "related his ... opener and had a piece of tape over the top," Randy Barnes, who headed ...

Documents reveal FBI surveillance of Kerry in early 1970s
CNN International, World - 11 hours ago
... A second confidential source" reported that in a university speech, Kerry "related his ... opener and had a piece of tape over the top," Randy Barnes, who headed ...

FBI followed Kerry's every public move
ShortNews.com - 9 hours ago
... Kerry wasn't alone - Kansas City Chapter head Randy Barnes said all his mail during that time was opened with a letter opener and resealed with tape.

Kerry hedges on 1971 KC meeting
Kansas City Star (subscription), MO - Mar 19, 2004
... Another veteran, Randy Barnes of Kansas City, said Hurley had contacted him but did ... Veterans Against the War correspondence make clear that Kerry was active in ...

Kerry hedges on '71 KC meeting
Kansas City Star (subscription), MO - Mar 20, 2004
... Another veteran, Randy Barnes of Kansas City, said Hurley had contacted him but did ... Veterans Against the War correspondence make clear that Kerry was active in ...

Kerry hedges on 1971 KC meeting
Centre Daily Times, PA - Mar 19, 2004
... Another veteran, Randy Barnes of Kansas City, said Hurley had contacted him but did ... Veterans Against the War correspondence make clear that Kerry was active in ...

Kerry hedges on 1971 KC meeting
Biloxi Sun Herald, MS - Mar 19, 2004
... Another veteran, Randy Barnes of Kansas City, said Hurley had contacted him but did ... Veterans Against the War correspondence make clear that Kerry was active in ...

Anti-war activist acquitted of plotting violence at GOP ...
WorldNetDaily - Mar 18, 2004
... 12-15, 1971. However, Randy Barnes of Missouri Veterans for Kerry, disputes that account. Barnes participated in the meeting and ...

The New York Sun | March 15, 2004
Frontpagemag.com - Mar 15, 2004
... But according to the current head of Missouri Veterans for Kerry, Randy Barnes, Mr. Kerry,who was then 27,was at the meeting, voted against the plot, and then ...

'71 anti-war session: Was Kerry in KC?
Kansas City Star, MO - Mar 13, 2004
... you're defeating your purpose, and I quit,' ” Randy Barnes said Friday. A Kansas Citian and an active volunteer this year for Kerry's presidential run ...

NY Sun: Kerry Quit Anti-War Group After Assassination Vote
NewsMax.com - Mar 12, 2004
... But according to the current head of Missouri Veterans for Kerry, Randy Barnes, Mr. Kerry, who was then 27, was at the meeting, voted against the plot, and ...

Man who plotted murder of congressmen offered job
WorldNetDaily - Mar 14, 2004
... 12-15, 1971. However, Randy Barnes of Missouri Veterans for Kerry, disputes that account. Narnes participated in the meeting and ...

[river rat]

Oh my .....I had no idea it was this extensive, documented and BRAGGED ABOUT to this day!

This could and should become pretty difficult for Kerry to explain....
This sounds more like a criminal conspriacy than a few angry grunts talking through their beer.

Looks like a possible explanation of F'ing Kerry's vacation this past week....
He's got this problem, and it looks leggy from here.

Thanks for the links....but now I'm late to bed, and I have a range date tomorrow morning...


Semper Fi

[Lion Den Dan]

As much as I disagree with Kerry and his anti-American VVAW jerks --- I understand perfectly the "assassination" scenario that too much is being made of..================

How many ticked off vets put the assassination scheme to a vote of a group of peers. That seems a conspiracy to me and a serious crime for mere mortals. The elite, well???

[Las Vegas Dave]

John effin' Kerry also lied when he bought the LARGE size jock strap, Teresa said he really wears an extra-extra-small!!!
< /humor >

[XHogPilot]

Excellent summary Sabertooth.

[MeekOneGOP]

Thanks for posting and for the ping ! ...

[GailA]

RUSH bump

[Dante3]

Kerry obviously has a lot to cover up. As for him not recalling being at that meeting -- how many meetings has he attended where assassination of senators was discussed.

It might be time to reopen the assassination attempt on Stennis (as posted on another thread).

[sr4402]

You folks don't understand what this means! If Kerry was there (and the FBI files prove it), then Kerry had a responsibility to contact the authorities about the assassination plot!

Kerry has consistently avoided responsibility. If he knew about atrocities in Vietnam, he had a responsibility to name names and testify in court. The same is true here. If he witnessed assassination plots, he had a responsibility to call the police, the FBI, or whatever authority he could find and report the names of who said it. It doesn't matter if he resigned. It doesn't matter if he disagreed. But he didn't go to the authorities! The man just cannot handle responsibility and doesn't respect authority.

[Grampa Dave]

"Did Kerry have an obligation to tell the authorities that a faction of his group wanted to kill US Senators?"

If he witnessed the so called War Crimes that he claimed to have seen in Nam, as a US Naval Officer, he committed severe crimes in not bringing this up to the officers in command.

Is John F'onda al Querry the real Manchurian candidate that we have been concerned about?

John F'onda al Querry is a very scary and dangerous person. If he is elected, we can say goodbye to America.

[Dante3]

Well stated.

[onyx]

Rush has it right.
Fox ought to give him his own TV show.
Beg him til he agree$.

[Richard Kimball]

Remember all the jokes about Reagan's memory?

[Victoria Delsoul]

There's got to be some sort of arrogance associated with this that makes you think that even if you are discovered to be a liar, that it isn't any big deal, it's none of your business anyway, I didn't do anything wrong, so I may as well not have been there in the first place.

Yeah, or maybe, even if I was there, my mind and soul weren't, so I really wasn't there.

[MeekOneGOP]

Rush has it right. Fox ought to give him his own TV show. Beg him til he agree$.

Oh, THAT would be great ! A two-fer: We get to SEE Rush daily AND get to
hear the LIBS howl about it !

And since he left ESPN, he should have the time ...

[onyx]

I'd love to see him have his own Fox show;
at least thru the election.
Were I Murdock, I'd let Rush name his price.

[ChevyZ28]

Your forgot rule #3:

Admit nothing, deny everything, and make a counter allegation.

[MeekOneGOP]

Rush would ask plenty, too ! And Murdock could pay it too ...