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Are the Jacksonians Sated?
TechCentralStation ^ | 03/22/2004 | Michael J. Totten

Posted on 03/22/2004 6:58:28 AM PST by jmcclain19

Are the Jacksonians Sated?
 
By Michael J. Totten  Published   03/22/2004 
 


TOPICS: Editorial; Philosophy; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: hamiltonian; jacksonian; jacksonians; jeffersonian; waronterror; wilsonian

1 posted on 03/22/2004 6:58:29 AM PST by jmcclain19
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To: jmcclain19
Bump
2 posted on 03/22/2004 7:09:16 AM PST by stradivarius
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To: jmcclain19

What is Christopher Lee doing in this picture?
3 posted on 03/22/2004 7:13:07 AM PST by boris (The deadliest Weapon of Mass Destruction in History is a Leftist With a Word Processor)
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To: jmcclain19
For minute there I thought this was about Jesse and Mikey
4 posted on 03/22/2004 7:19:46 AM PST by CMailBag
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To: jmcclain19
"Until then, they're on hold. They sharply criticized the Spanish retreat from Iraq, but they have little specific to say in our own foreign policy debate."

Did this twit consider that the "all quiet" from the Jacksonians is because they are satisified with the direction currently being taken???

"They [terrorists] will probably hit us again either way. Lord knows they're trying. When it happens, Jacksonian rage will crush the dovish wing of Wilsonianism no matter who sits in the White House."

Kerry is a classic leftist "Wilsonian". I think we will know what the Jacksonians think when they don't vote for him in droves this fall.

5 posted on 03/22/2004 7:22:23 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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Jacksonian, NeoConservative, Patriot, American
The label does not matter to me.
What matters is that President Bush and Vice-President Cheney understand the business at hand. I heard Cheney's speech at the Reagan Library in California on the radio and am so grateful we have men like him and women like his wife Lynne serving the country. We are at war and our generation is being challenged.
6 posted on 03/22/2004 7:34:00 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: jmcclain19
Well, IMO the question is, assuming that it was wise to do so, could the "Jacksonians" summon and sustain the national will to "reform" the entire Middle East" (a project that actually encompassed "reforming" the entire Islamic World, which of course extends far beyond the Arab nations) by military force; if experience to date in Iraq an Afghanistan is any guide such a project would require a long-term occupation force of several million supported by a budget of 500 billion a year or greater - essentially the US would be on a permanent war footing on the scale of the Cold War or greater, except that we would almost certainly by taking significant ongoing causalities as well.

I'd be as pleased as anyone here if the Islamic World can be brought to a better appreciation of the importance of civil liberties, market economics and a worldview oriented to the future rather the past.

And military action is certainly appropriate in cases where we can identify a particular threat that can be thwarted with practical military action – for example the disruption of Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan and the pursuit of it's membership into Pakistan.

But it also seem to me that there is continuing element of what can only be called fantasy in projects that attempt to impose such values on hundreds of millions of Muslims.

For example ask yourself: "How successfully would the effort be if the case was reversed - what sort of an effort would be required to impose "Islamic" values upon the US?" and you get some sense of what we would be undertaking.
7 posted on 03/22/2004 7:48:06 AM PST by M. Dodge Thomas (More of the same, only with more zeros on the end.)
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To: jmcclain19
In 1999 Walter Russell Mead wrote a celebrated essay for The National Interest called The Jacksonian Tradition where he described what he calls the four foreign policy traditions in the United States; Jacksonian, Wilsonian, Hamiltonian, and Jeffersonian.

The U.S. does have a certain over-righteousness when it comes to war, but why attach Jackson's name to it? Its real roots are the American Civil War and its aftermath and, more importantly, WW2 and its aftermath.

To use the language of the Vietnam era, a time when Jeffersonians and Jacksonians were fighting in the streets over foreign policy, the former were the most dovish current in mainstream political thought during the Cold War, while the latter were the most consistently hawkish.

Right, Mr. Mead, the anti-war crowd were Jeffersonians.

9 posted on 03/22/2004 11:33:14 AM PST by jordan8
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To: jmcclain19
Great article...thanks!
10 posted on 03/22/2004 9:21:11 PM PST by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: TonyRo76
Amen to that! W.R. Mead's original essay is lengthy, but a great read.

Also a very good book:


11 posted on 03/22/2004 9:31:54 PM PST by Plutarch
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To: jordan8
…but why attach Jackson's name to it? Its real roots are the American Civil War

The British at New Orleans would probably agree that Jackson is due the honor.


12 posted on 03/22/2004 9:40:20 PM PST by Plutarch
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