Posted on 03/21/2004 11:52:41 AM PST by Beck_isright
A few days ago, the esteeemed host and founder of this foremerly great website invited me to do the following:
"654. To: JohnGaltfla (#367)
Oh, it's much better to go out in a blaze of glory. Martyrdom, 72 virgins, plaque on the "Great Ones" wall of fame and all that rot.
jimrobfr posted on 2004-03-19 03:29:45 ET"
Obviously, he was concerned that some of his better non-bot posters had abandoned FR for greener fields where our financial and intellectual contributions would be appreciated. It was amusing to watch former FReepers belittle, banter and blast JimRob in various forms.
I was wrong.
FR has changed.
Deal with that fact boys and girls.
Many of us grew up in a more conservative era, where our nation and our freedoms were first and foremost. Now we learn that it that is not the case. Principles are for losers according to the Bots and most of the ignorant posters here on FR. To create noise and call those of us who have been loyal to the conservative cause such creative and wonderful names as "Soros lovers", "Mobyites", "communists"(now that's a good one for those of us who have been overseas staring at AK-47's), "DUers" and names which are forbidden for me to mention but ok for the Bushbots.
The noise has driven off many of the best posters from this site. Now FR has become the Fluff of the RNC, posting such creative threads as "Pray for President Bush - Day 1276", "The Economy (Freep this poll)", " FReeper After Actions", "After Action Freep A.N.S.W.E.R. AUSTIN TX 3/20/04", etc...
It sounds more to me like everyone is proud of responding but no one has the convictions excpet for what the RNC faxes them. This election should not be about "Republican" v. "Democrat" principles. Neither party has any principles. If you morons believe that, then you are bigger fools than I thought. This is about the future of America an the viability of capitalism in this nation.
Why "FReepers" can not see this and hold "their man" to the Hamiltonian principles of limited Federal government and enhancing our freedoms by reducing dependency on any government. By controlling immigration, restructuring the tax system to pre-1916 form, and by enhancing the defense of this nation by using actions instead of words when dealing with foreign powers (little things, like enforcing the acts against nations which do business with Cuba, as Bush promised in 2000). Unfortunately you mind numbed morons don't care. If you're 401K shows a fiat currency positive figure, you're all happy as a fly in a cow pasture.
Go for it.
As Senor Cartman would say:
"Screw you guys, I'm going home"
What Beck meant to say was "Screw you guys. I'm taking MY football, and going home!"
Please notify the New York Times!
Bingo.
Stay off the Columbian!
And calling us ignorant and the infamous "bots" which is equal to "neener-neener-neener" in mentality isn't name calling in his world, right?
I've lived under rain, wind, snow, flood, fire, etc. etc. And blue skys, warm balmy weather. None of that was sucky. It was what it was.
You have lived in three places for what -- each not many years -- but you know all the tides and times of what is good and bad in politic, eh?
I think the US founding documents and theories are grand -- among the best things fashioned by the efforts of men. Yet in them -- no two party system. Washington was sickened by the party politics. He held a hope that the general public could rise above such insider-versus-outsider, blue team versus green team inanity as a subsitute for character, for integrity, for faithful, diligent, honest stewardship of our nation ruled according to our charter of it.
Washington seemed to favor a no-party system. I'm favoring a multi-party system -- for in such systems the political ideals are better carried -- a vote is for an idea, and not the current vote for for a person or a "party".
The riley1922 home page is still there- apparently the account is still good. Have you tried just logging in with your old password?
You have problems, and G-d help those around you!
Outstanding point.
Did the weather ever shoot at you for trying to buy food?
You have lived in three places for what -- each not many years -- but you know all the tides and times of what is good and bad in politic, eh?
Fourteen years and eight years. And more then three places. don't know where you got that idea. And perhaps having lived under them a little I might just possibly know a tad bit about how those systems do and do not work yes.
I'm favoring a multi-party system -- for in such systems the political ideals are better carried -- a vote is for an idea, and not the current vote for for a person or a "party".
Please point out one multi-party system for which this is true.
I tried debating you several times. Each time, you initiated the name calling in your first reply.
I've seen threads where you did this over and over to various posters.
Bye!
Let me say, first instincts are truest, and my response, strictly based on the extant adieu without prior association is:
Yet the statement itself demands parsing, diagramming, "unpacking" or "deconstructing", and response.
FR has changed. Deal with that fact boys and girls.
Bombast, patronization.
Many of us grew up in a more conservative era, where our nation and our freedoms were first and foremost. Now we learn that it that is not the case. Principles are for losers according to the Bots and most of the ignorant posters here on FR. To create noise and call those of us who have been loyal to the conservative cause such creative and wonderful names as "Soros lovers", "Mobyites", "communists"(now that's a good one for those of us who have been overseas staring at AK-47's), "DUers" and names which are forbidden for me to mention but ok for the Bushbots.
An appeal to an ideal "conservative cause" not defined. Generalized slander re "bots", "ignorant", reminiscent of Kerry's "murderers and rapists". Ah, but I went door to door for Barry Goldwater, listened intently to M. Stanton Evans, prefer the tax cuts of Bush to the tax hikes of Kerry, and so am ipso facto conservative.
The noise has driven off many of the best posters from this site. Now FR has become the Fluff of the RNC, posting such creative threads as "Pray for President Bush - Day 1276", "The Economy (Freep this poll)", " FReeper After Actions", "After Action Freep A.N.S.W.E.R. AUSTIN TX 3/20/04", etc...
The charge of "fluff of the RNC" is not supported by the anecdotal evidence of a handful of threads. Each day presents hundreds of threads, tens of thousands of posts.
It sounds more to me like everyone is proud of responding but no one has the convictions excpet for what the RNC faxes them. This election should not be about "Republican" v. "Democrat" principles. Neither party has any principles. If you morons believe that, then you are bigger fools than I thought. This is about the future of America an the viability of capitalism in this nation.
Item: my fax machine has received no talking points from the RNC--your hyperbole is tedious. Though you claim this election should not be about "Republican" v. "Democrat", November 2, there will be those two choices--you're dangerously close to moral equivalence. More namecalling with "morons" and "fools"--this kind of "repent, sinners, the end is at hand" is not helpful. It is about--among other things--the viability of capitalism, but Bush is procapitalist while Kerry is a battery-operated toy of anticapitalism.
Why "FReepers" can not see this and hold "their man" to the Hamiltonian principles of limited Federal government and enhancing our freedoms by reducing dependency on any government. By controlling immigration, restructuring the tax system to pre-1916 form, and by enhancing the defense of this nation by using actions instead of words when dealing with foreign powers (little things, like enforcing the acts against nations which do business with Cuba, as Bush promised in 2000). Unfortunately you mind numbed morons don't care. If you're 401K shows a fiat currency positive figure, you're all happy as a fly in a cow pasture.
Hamilton doesn't do it for me vis-a-vis limited government; Jefferson, now there's a limiter. Repealing the income tax is a swell idea; so is perpetual motion, a cure for cancer, and almost anything free. As for "enhancing the defense of this nation by using actions instead of words when dealing with foreign powers", while you were out, Bush has led our forces in two successful wars of liberation, Libya is copping to a plea, and the rest of the pirates have been struck dumb. Again with the namecalling: "mind numbed morons", "fly in a cowpasture"--and I don't even have a 401K.
What I do have is a great respect for the enormous effort Jim has applied to create the largest forum for intelligent discourse and activism on the right.
It is not enough, it is never enough to merely have an opinion--you must make that opinion popular with a majority of voters in order to be effective.
This is why Bush will beat Kerry and a third party will remain a marginal issue.
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