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Gibson's passion film 'too Catholic'
Belfast Telegraph ^ | 19 March 2004 | Alf McCreary

Posted on 03/19/2004 9:59:58 AM PST by presidio9

THE controversial Mel Gibson film 'The Passion of the Christ' has been dismissed by the Evangelical Protestant Society as a 'Catholic' interpretation of events which "does not present the Gospel".

Wallace Thompson, secretary of the Evangelical Protestant Society, said the film displayed "an un-Biblical fixation on Mary, the mother of Jesus. None of this should surprise us, for both Mel Gibson and Jim Caviezel, who plays the part of Christ, are enthusiastic devotees of the traditional teachings of the Church of Rome."

He further claims that Mel Gibson "belongs to an ultra-conservative Catholic group which does not recognise the reforms of Vatican II, and celebrates Mass in Latin".

Mr Thompson says that "this malign influence of Rome ought to cause all evangelical Protestants to reject The Passion of the Christ" and refuse to be swayed by the subtleties of the alleged arguments in favour of it.

Sadly, however, it will be welcomed and praised by many who ought to know better."

Mr Thompson also says that the film is "extremely violent", and that "anyone who watches it will be shaken and possibly terrified by its graphic and bloody scenes."


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To: Thorin; Havoc
Buchanan wasn't a "Chrsitian."

I wouldn't vote for B as he's wacky, but a Catholic isn't Christian? hmmmm.... strange. Havoc, your opinion?
761 posted on 03/22/2004 3:20:05 AM PST by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: Salve Regina; OLD REGGIE; presidio9; dangus; Desdemona; Jape; ultima ratio; AMDG&BVMH; ...
And in the meantime, Islaam took advantage of the divided house of Christendom fighting over words spoken on either side and struck......
762 posted on 03/22/2004 3:36:57 AM PST by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: OLD REGGIE; Salve Regina; cupcakes
Here folks is the truth. People who challenged the Popes were also killed.

You're BOTH using generalisms. There were some bad Popes and most seem to have occurred around the latter Middle ages, just before the Reformation (Adding fuel to fire). But I don't think you'd say that any of the modern day Popes would do that? And I don't think that ALL of the earlier Popes did that? Do you believe that ALL of them right from St. Peter onwards got their opponents killed?
763 posted on 03/22/2004 3:39:46 AM PST by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: OLD REGGIE; Salve Regina
You also fail to point out that in those 1500 years, death was most certainly the outcome for anyone who even challenged Papal authority.

The Eastern Bishops did do that (ok,it was not really about dogma, more politics). I don't think they got bumped off.
764 posted on 03/22/2004 3:45:55 AM PST by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: Havoc
You are no different than the Mormons or other cults in so doing

Now, Roman Catholics are considered to be 1.6 billion with Protestants being about 300 million and Orthodox being about the same number. That's NOT an extremist sect but the main stream of a religion.
765 posted on 03/22/2004 4:07:13 AM PST by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: Cronos
bump to read later
766 posted on 03/22/2004 4:13:55 AM PST by meema
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To: Havoc; Salve Regina
There was no Pope in the time. You're forgetting your history aren't you.

There were Popes right from St. Peter -- check the Papal list, bishops of Rome right from 40 AD. THe Organisation was also mostly there by the time of Domitian who feared that they were getting too well organised and might be a challenge to the govt of Rome.

You're also forgetting that there was no organization calling itself catholic officially until Theodosius.

The term 'catholic' came as a result of the Reformation.
767 posted on 03/22/2004 4:14:50 AM PST by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: Havoc; Salve Regina
The correct term is the Church of God.
768 posted on 03/22/2004 4:15:12 AM PST by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: Havoc
That Pope thing is an office made up of whole cloth.

I could say the same thing about ministers, etc. If you want to be true to the OT, you must choose priests only from the line of Aaron.
769 posted on 03/22/2004 4:17:55 AM PST by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: TRY ONE
WOW! Protestants believe that Christ is in Heaven sitting at the Right Hand of the Father. Sounds like Catholics believe Mary is sitting in the same seat with God!

A change: Wow! Christians (Protestants and CAtholics) believe that Christ is in Heaven sitting at the Right Hand of the Father.

CAtholics don't believe Mary is equivalent to God.

I'm going to continue praying to Jesus directly --- No middle men/women required!

So do all Catholics. They pray to Jesus and some ask Saints to pray along with them.
770 posted on 03/22/2004 4:25:25 AM PST by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: Petronski; Siobhan; Salvation; Salve Regina; LearnsFromMistakes
But if you want to be a Catholic, don't tell me you're Christian because It's demonstrated you're clergy is teaching another Gospel.

What the....? CAtholics ARE Christians. I don't say Lutherans, Presbyterians, Orthodox aren't Christian. I acknowledge that they ARE, but some points I don't agree with. So you're saying that all Catholics, who coonsitute at least 70% of all Christians are really apostates? Oh and since we've got so much in common with the Orthodox they will also be apostates. So that means that 85% of the Christians are, no wait, it's been pointed out that the Lutherans have quite a few beliefs that we have, and which would not follow your gospel, and that will also include a few Anglicans.

So, about 90% of all folks who call themselves "Christian" are actually NOT Christian. What a revelation!!!!

And also, all christians who belonged to any of these churchs in the past 2000 years are NOT Christians. and that include St. Francis, Austine etc., etc.

And also recently living saints like Mother Teresa are really NOT Christian.

Wow that is news. I think we should break it to AlQaidda and Osama: "There's no need for a war, there are no christians! you've won."

771 posted on 03/22/2004 4:34:57 AM PST by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: Thorin; Havoc; OLD REGGIE
The majority of Christians that are in existence today are Roman Catholics, just as the majority of Christians who have existed throughout history are Roman Catholics. These include those who are being martyred for Christ today by Moslems, in places like Sudan. The statement that Catholics aren't "Christians" betrays an ingorance that is truly amazing, especially since no Christians believed as American fundamentalists do until the last century or so.

I dunno but it seems like folks think that until the 19th century religious movements, there was no Christians, it suddenly disappeared underground for 1800 years and then reappeared in middle America. The rest of the world is going to heck along with their ancestors....
772 posted on 03/22/2004 4:44:35 AM PST by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: Havoc
As I just said a little bit ago, it isn't about a numbers game. Christian is a term that means follower of Christ and it is defined specifically in scripture what that means in action, in fruits produced and in purity of message.

hmmmm... Christian = follower of Christ. Catholics ARE followers of Christ. Christians follow scripture. Catholics DO follow scripture. Voilà Catholics = Christian!
773 posted on 03/22/2004 4:46:00 AM PST by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: presidio9
Bitch, bitch, bitch. They'd complain if you hung them with a new rope.
774 posted on 03/22/2004 4:47:12 AM PST by GigaDittos (Malaysian jew-haters for Kerry, oh what a surprise!)
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To: Havoc; Thorin; Siobhan; Salvation; Salve Regina; NYer
There, again, may be a billion Catholics on this planet. There were 8 that God saved from the flood. The rest of the world I'm sure thought itself just fine and dandy.

Yessirreee bob. All of you folks are going to h****. Only those who follow the TRue prophet will find the way (sounds like islammmie propaganda to me)
775 posted on 03/22/2004 4:47:50 AM PST by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: Thorin
Of course, I can't say that all American fundamentalists believe in them, since their own interpretations of scripture vary considerably

My experience of these lot is that they give a bad name to Christianity. They twist scripture to suit their own purpose and read it with blinkers.
776 posted on 03/22/2004 4:48:56 AM PST by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: Praxeus
No problem.
777 posted on 03/22/2004 4:49:12 AM PST by Taliesan (fiction police)
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To: Havoc
It's about Actions, Fruits and the message. Rome loses the argument on all three counts

Actions:  Who keep the flame of belief burning through all the bad times when Christianity's land of origin was overrun by slammies and those churchs died out?  .

Fruits:     Which church has spread the word to the most souls in S America, Africa, Asia, Europe, the world?  Which church has spread the most, saving he most souls.  The numbers game is NOT a game, it shows how many souls were saved.  The RCC believes in getting off it's butt and doing something, saving more souls instead of sitting back and having 'revivals' which consist of little more than anti-Catholic propaganda.

Message:   Which other church can state that it has and has spread the true message untouched and unchanged since the time of the apostles?

The Catholic church is NOT Rome, the Catholic church is the UNIVERSAL Church of God and I resent you confining it to Rome.

The Church then, wins on all counts.  All Apostates from the Universal Church LOSE on those counts.  Let's take the fundamentalists:

Actions:  Ha!

Fruits:  How many souls?  How many non-Christians have been converted by these? 

Message:  How many messages?  one per person?  Person A think Pastor B puts too much sugar in his coffee so A forms his own 'church' where he serves less sugar in the coffee.  That's the fundamentalists, like seed thrown on rocks, they have NO roots and get blown away

 

778 posted on 03/22/2004 4:56:39 AM PST by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: Thorin
Of course, I can't say that all American fundamentalists believe in them, since their own interpretations of scripture vary considerably

'Pastor' A likes verse A, person B doesn't, so person 'B' becomes a 'pastor' to spread 'his' (person B's) message.
779 posted on 03/22/2004 4:57:52 AM PST by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: Havoc; Thorin
worship/veneration of saints (the words mean the same thing).

Wrong again, the Catholic church clearly states that the saints are NOT worshipped -- only God is worthy of that. If you don't like the word venerated, let's say they're respected. Happy?
780 posted on 03/22/2004 4:59:26 AM PST by Cronos (W2K4!)
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