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Ferret: why I'm alarmed by FR & will never post here ever again (except for my 9 replies & counting)
Originally posted elsewhere ^ | 2004-03-08 | Michael Joseph McCarthy

Posted on 03/16/2004 4:38:03 AM PST by bicycle thug

Edited on 03/16/2004 5:17:47 AM PST by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

Mod update: To put this "opus" in perspective, some additional information compliments of a thorough FReeper, dighton.

From a Kerry in 2004 Meetup page, via google cache:

bicyclethug (Eugene, OR)

I am Michael Joseph McCarthy, well known forest activist in Eugene, Oregon who ran against Scott Meisner for City Council last election. I am a Member of the Pacific Green Party who wants this scoundrel in office now thrown out.

72 posted on 03/16/2004 5:05:43 AM PST by dighton


Begin "opus":

Fascism in Free Republic manifests itself as extreme ideology that celebrates themselves as solely representing the nation as an organic community transcending all other loyalties. It emphasizes a myth of national rebirth after a period of decline or destruction. Liberalism is the prime keyword to represent the "problem" group causing the "decay and disruption of "proper" American life.

The FR reminds me of the typical fascist call for a "spiritual revolution" against signs of moral decay such as individualism and materialism, and calls to purge "alien" forces and groups that threaten the organic community. Fascism tends to celebrate masculinity, mystical unity, and the regenerative power of violence. Often, but not always, it promotes racial superiority doctrines, ethnic persecution, imperialist expansion, and genocide. At the same time, fascists may embrace a form of internationalism based on either racial or ideological solidarity across national boundaries. Usually fascism espouses open male supremacy, though sometimes it may also promote female solidarity and new opportunities for women of the privileged nation or race.

FR's call to purge Liberalism and to install a conservative only lifestyle in these United States is not realistic under the auspices of the U.S. Constitution which is designed for all groups of all types and classes to be protected from the domination and authority of the dominant group.

The FR calls for the establishment of a dominant group - their brand of Conservatives - that keeps all the others in line including conservatives "who don't think right on various topics. The virtual community has degenerated into a witch hunt for any and all "untrue thinkers," who must be purged at all costs.

FR's approach to politics is both populist--in that it seeks to activate "the people" as a whole against perceived oppressors or enemies - and elitist - in that it treats the people's will as embodied in a select group, or often one prime iconic leader whose authority flows downward only. FR, in typical Fascist style seeks to organize a cadre-led mass movement in a drive to seize state power. It seeks to forcibly subordinate all spheres of society to its ideological vision of what a community is, and the end result of their game is totalitarianism, pure and simple.

Both as a movement and a regime, fascism uses mass organizations as a system of integration and control, and uses organized violence to suppress opposition, although the scale of violence varies widely. FReepers unethically disrupts polls, hacks and disrupts other sites, and uses real or perceived disruption by others of their site as a rallying point to drive home a wedge between them and any group not belonging to the FReeper movement to reshape America.

Fascism is hostile to Marxism, liberalism, and even true conservatism, yet it borrows concepts and practices from all three. Jim Rob's blend of conservatism and use as advocacy of George W. Bush to insure that the right thinkers who know how to follow orders stay on board builds an obedience and cohesion to central authority. He wishes to create an entity that can influence people like Bush to fall into sync with his goals by offering an effective vehicle to mobilize and control people on the grass roots level as he has proved to people like the President that he indeed can do things like galvanize and grow the Klamath water rights for farmers issue.

JimRob is shrewd, he wishes to influence those in higher office and at the same time remold the electorate into a cohesive force that can roll over any group that gets in it's way in a very unconstitutional fashion.

The FR exploits real grievances against capitalists and landowners through ethnic (or in the Free Republic's case the classic homosexual wedge issue) scapegoating or radical- sounding conspiracy theories. They reject the liberal doctrines of individual autonomy and rights, political pluralism, and representative government, yet it advocates broad popular participation in politics and may use parliamentary channels in its drive to power.

Its vision of a "new order" clashes with the conservative attachment to tradition-based institutions and hierarchies, and much like fascism, they often romanticizes the past as inspiration for national rebirth.

Fascism always has had a complex relationship with established elites and the non-fascist right much like the FR does. It strives to be not a mere puppet of the ruling class, but an autonomous movement with its own social base. In practice, they defend capitalism against instability and the left, but also they pursue an agenda that sometimes clashes with capitalist interests in significant ways.

I have watched and studied the FR with going horror as this culture has grown more malignant and horrifying over the years. Any and all peoples and nations are vulnerable to the disease of fascism, and thought I am sure JimRob and company started with the best of intentions, over the years they have cognitively grown more hostile and unreasonable to anyone not of an elite brand of FReeper. The road to fascism is so incremental it sneaks in and decades later people always wonder how the heck it happened. And it is happening at that particular virtual community, make no mistake about it.

I have always wanted to see the FR grow up. Journalism in these United States was reactionary and lacked accountability in the early years of our nation and as it evolved it was forced to grow up. I want the FR to flourish and to grow up ethically and responsibly, with a measure of respect and empathy for those other groups that blend with them to form our great nation.

But it hasn't, and it has grown into an entity quite alarming. If FReepers care and act now, they can take back a precious jewel of a forum bought and paid for by them that fills an important need in their lives.

If this doesn't happen, we will crush the FR and remove it like a malignant tumor before it destroys what we collectively hold dear; The United States of America as we know it with our Constitution as is works now with it's checks and balances there to prevent Fascist and totalitarian entities from taking us and the world on the road to incredible destruction and human misery.

. This is a critically important topic, and people have leadership and intuitive skills that can either debunk me, or develop tools to reform FR and make it responsible and ethical as it should be. I don't hate and nurse disdain for the Free Republic, I deeply care and want the best for FReepers. And it hurts deeply and horribly to articulate my thoughts and fears here, as FReepers are indeed special people who do not deserve to be used, and to have bad things happen to them, or to be manipulated to cause bad things to happen to others.

Peace, and respect to all.


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To: bicycle thug
FR's approach to politics is both populist--in that it seeks to activate "the people" as a whole against perceived oppressors or enemies - and elitist - in that it treats the people's will as embodied in a select group, or often one prime iconic leader whose authority flows downward only. FR, in typical Fascist style seeks to organize a cadre-led mass movement in a drive to seize state power. It seeks to forcibly subordinate all spheres of society to its ideological vision of what a community is, and the end result of their game is totalitarianism, pure and simple.

Ferret, I used to love when you posted back a few years ago. You made some sense back then. Sadly it has become apparent you have spent far to much time eating the mushrooms. Go to detox and clean up your act.

321 posted on 03/16/2004 9:02:11 AM PST by Fzob (Why does this tag line keep showing up?)
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To: bicycle thug
Oooooo-kay.
322 posted on 03/16/2004 9:06:21 AM PST by Ciexyz
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To: Lead Moderator
Could you make an exception in Bicycles case moderator, you see he's not permitted to go anywhere without his Thread Parent. You know like those eager little wanderers all strung together between the day care center and the park.
323 posted on 03/16/2004 9:24:20 AM PST by nkycincinnatikid
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I think that "Libertarian National Socialist
Green Party" is equal to the Democratic Republican Workers Right To Life Party

AKA there is no such party and I'd guess it'd be someone's bad joke! LOL.

The words "Libertarian", "National Socialist", and "Green Party" can never coexist in the same sentance without a lot of qualifiers ahahahha!
324 posted on 03/16/2004 9:27:59 AM PST by bc2 (http://thinkforyourself.us)
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To: bicycle thug
I have been here since 1998. I hate he egos of the people who just won't go quietly. Get lost!
325 posted on 03/16/2004 9:32:37 AM PST by bmwcyle (<a href="http://www.johnkerry.com/" target="_blank">miserable failure)
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To: FourtySeven; PBRSTREETGANG; bicycle thug; ferret
Does ferret get extra credit for NOT using the word Nazi, or cryptoFascist? ;-)
326 posted on 03/16/2004 9:36:42 AM PST by an amused spectator (Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to be lied to by Democrats)
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To: bicycle thug
Yo' momma rides a Schwinn Varsity.
327 posted on 03/16/2004 9:38:09 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Just once I'd like to get by on my looks.)
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To: bicycle thug
What Dia-tribe do you belong to ?...

Get a mirror your feathers are askew and you're face paint is smeared.. you appear to be a mess.. the women and horses are laughing at you..

328 posted on 03/16/2004 9:39:51 AM PST by hosepipe
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To: bicycle thug
As it says in my High School yearbook..

"I didnt know you very well(in fact I dont know you at all) (in fact I never even heard of you) and now its time to say goodbye....well I cant say I will miss you as I never even knew you, and its hard to say goodbye or good luck on any of that other phony stuff, so I wont say anything,in fact I wont even acknowledge your existance as for all I know it never really happened"
329 posted on 03/16/2004 9:40:16 AM PST by woofie ( 99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name.)
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To: Final Authority
I learned like most of us on this forum that liberalism doesn't work. When one is a doer, as I am. liberalism destroys the incentive that is fundamental to the human condition, ie, liberalism is contrary to normal human enterprise. It is that simple. For defectives, how I and others would characterize you if we knew you, liberalism and Marxism works just fine for those who lack, a spine, industry, pride of personal achievement, and ambition. Liberals seem to avoid these traits and in their perfect world none of these traits are important. They are defective humans. That is why no Marxist way of life has ever succeeded. It also won't succeed here.

Uh, I guess you can't really argue with the Final Authority... ;-)

330 posted on 03/16/2004 9:43:51 AM PST by an amused spectator (Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to be lied to by Democrats)
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To: bicycle thug
You're in the wrong place. FR celebrates the spirit of the individual -- not the collectivist, we-know-better-than-you, let's-sacrifice-human-enterprise-for-eco-pacifism, tax-us-until-we-level-the-playing-field, discrimination-in-the-name-of-diversity-is-fair, killing-babies-is-a-choice, let's-kneecap-society-because-somebody's-feewings-got-hurt, make-bread-not-bombs, guns-not-people-commit-crimes, etc, etc.
331 posted on 03/16/2004 9:45:52 AM PST by Bush2000
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To: bicycle thug
witch hunt for any and all "untrue thinkers,"

anyone who does not believe Bush will be the next President will be burned alive

332 posted on 03/16/2004 9:51:25 AM PST by alrea (John Kerry, journalists, your taxes and the U.N. can stop poverty and create jobs.)
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To: Qwinn
You are correct, of course. I erred in my post, it was originally known as as the "American Communist Party."
333 posted on 03/16/2004 9:59:17 AM PST by Budge (<>< . ')
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To: an amused spectator
Does ferret get extra credit for NOT using the word Nazi, or cryptoFascist? ;-)

I hadn't considered that either. But again, all grades are final.

The ombudsman is in my hip pocket.

334 posted on 03/16/2004 10:03:17 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: bicycle thug
I bet you are one of those fools that thinks Hitler was a fascist, but not a socialist or marxist.

Fascism is not compatible with conservatism, and individualism is not moral decay, but rather its opposite.

Good Riddance,

335 posted on 03/16/2004 10:12:51 AM PST by Triple (All forms of socialism deny individuals the right to the fruits of their labor)
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To: bicycle thug
Sorry I tuned this out when I saw the word facism. People on the left I don't think have any concept of what facism is and the continual attachment of this the American conservative agenda reflects a profound ignorance of history. You do have facism in European politics, but ironically enough most on the left want the U.S. to be more like Europe politically. I for one don't and I think the left continues to do a disservice to people in this country by throwing around facism in order to tear people apart. It is sad that on the birthday of one of our countries greatest minds, James Madison, that there is such profound ignorance of the still truly unique political opportunity that our system presents us with.
336 posted on 03/16/2004 10:19:46 AM PST by miloklancy (The biggest problem with the Democrats is that they are in office.)
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To: bicycle thug
Bye!
337 posted on 03/16/2004 10:20:40 AM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: bicycle thug
My eyes are glazing over. Lots of words.
338 posted on 03/16/2004 10:22:05 AM PST by Not A Snowbird (You need tons click "co-ordinating")
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To: chicagolady
And when did you decide all this neat & tidy stuff?

Alien Forces = Free Republic
Organic Community = Liberal Idealogy

That seems to about sum it up according to you. Sorry,
it isn't that simple, nor is everything that easy to
define in erudite terms. (If a few guys in Azod golf shirts
storming the secret room where Democrats were "counting"
hanging chads in Florida is anarchy, then so be it.)
339 posted on 03/16/2004 10:26:32 AM PST by Twinkie
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To: Lazamataz
I've had a lot of email exchanges with ferret, and almost all of them have had the underlying premise that he respects, admires, and hopes for the success of FR. He's said he always wants a counterweight to the excesses of the left, and has claimed to be a moderating influence on the lefty groups to which he's belonged. Is it all performance art, for the last 4 years? Maybe, I'm willing to consider that.

However, and I mean this seriously, there is some disjointed and contradictory themes in his message here, and in other ones lately. I suspect external forces are pressuring him. I don't have any idea what they would be, but it's not QUITE the same guy who's been posting to me for so long. The difference is subtle, but it's there.

Okay, let's see... he belongs to leftist groups, but his excuse for belonging to said groups has thus far passed the sniff test. Of late, however, there has been a noticeable difference - including "disjointed and contradictory" themes in his recent messages.

Is it not possible that someone else is posting through ferret/whoever's user account? Like, for example, some other member of one of those lefty groups?

Just a thought, but you might want to examine the style of his posts; early vs. recent. You picked up on *something* - kinda like the old story about Lucille Ball's dental fillings and the Japanese spy radio transmitter.

340 posted on 03/16/2004 10:28:58 AM PST by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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