It's the heart versus the Bible

townhall.com ^ | 3/16/04 | Dennis Prager

[goldstategop]

We are forbidden from relying solely by what we see or by our feelings to guide outlook on life for it is a trap and a snare. The reason is we don't see all sides of the picture and feelings can be used to justify unethical or illegal behavior. Religion teaches us to constrain our base passions and to remember the world needs to be looked at with our head not just by what we witness or by our feelings. Religion, especially the Judeo-Christian faith, teaches us humility and enjoins us to recall as beautiful as the blessings of this life are, we also have an obligation to be concerned with the hereafter and the World To Come, not just this life and worldly things. That is the divide that separates those who act on what is in front of them and their feelings from those who consider the bigger picture and the truth of both this life and the next one.

[Jeff Gordon]

Wrong. All Wrong. Badly wrong.

The issue is not one of hearts and minds. It is one of emotion and logic. Those who accept the Bible as the one and only true word of God are emotional centered people. They do not allow themselves to think.

[Robert_Paulson2]

nah... God was joking when he said: "come let us reason together."

I just love snippet debates.
The heart is evil, and desperately wicked... bla bla.

The heart is good, filled with God's joy, bla bla bla...

mine is right yours is wrong... MINE should be the basis of all laws, and yours should be gutted from the bible and used to promote evil...

and on and on and on.

this is why there MUST remain a separation between religion and state. SECTARIAN bickering over conflicting words, intperpretations and infinite minutea derived from both.

"oh no, you don't understand the scriptures, let me explain it to you...." gag.

HOW DARE YOU INSIST ON USING THE MIND FOR THE PURPOSE OF REASONED CONSIDERATION?

[philetus]

Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

This refers to Isaiah 13 Distruction of Babylon

[familyop]

Where you replied, "F. If a married man dies without children, his brother shall marry the widow. If he refuses to marry his brother's widow or deliberately does not give her children, he shall pay a fine of one shoe. (Gen. 38:6- 10; Deut 25:5-10)," Genesis 38 contains nothing of shoes that I saw while reading it.

Of Deuteronomy 25, the Bible says,

"Then shall his brother's wife come unto him in the presence of the elders, and loose his shoe from off his foot, and spit in his face, and shall answer and say, So shall it be done unto that man that will not build up his brother's house. And his name shall be called in Israel, The house of him that hath his shoe loosed" (Deuteronomy 25:9-10, KJV).

Apostasy and its lies come from the "heart." Romanticism is a war against scriptural belief in favor of immorality for the fun of it. Adultery is romanticism's favorite promotion. Feminists (male and female) have led in the fight to successfully infest western culture with romanticism for more than 150 years. Law favoring adultery is the one most destructive tactic against the family now. The last and most serious attack against believers will involve executions to enforce a form of spiritualism with goddess worship.

[lainde]

BTTT

[familyop]

"But many here use the old testament to excoriate homosexuals. So I merely suggest they be consistent."

How about the New Testament, then?

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,..." (1 Corinthians 6:9, KJV)

[familyop]

"But many here use the old testament to excoriate homosexuals."

Here's more from the New Testament.

"For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them." (Romans 1:26-32, KJV).

And is it "simple" enough for you?

[RonHolzwarth]

The RSV is MUCH more accurate than the KJV, since it did not go through a series of translations,

Greek -> Latin -> Middle English.

In modern Engligh, That same verse reads:

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1 Corinthians, Chapter 6:
[9]
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sexual perverts,
[10] nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.

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Notice that unrighteous, immoral, idolaters, adulterers, thieves, greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbers are all lumped together with "sexual perverts".

And, exactly what a "sexual pervert" is, is not defined.

And, remember:

John.8
[7] And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, "Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her."

[RonHolzwarth]

yeah, we can hardly live up to this:

Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

[coulson3]

I'm afraid I must disagree: the Bible is not necessary to teach morality. For that, you can read Kant's Grounding for the Metaphysics of Morals, and consider the meaning of the categorical imperative.

Or you can listen to your parents, who, when they bounced you on their knees, said, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

A whole lot of hogwash about God and sin isn't necessary to learn how to treat other people with decency and respect.

[familyop]

"The RSV is MUCH more accurate than the KJV..."

No, it's not. Here's the truth about the RSV.

The Revised Standard Version - 1952
http://www.revelationwebsite.co.uk/index1/kjv/mouth3.htm#rsv

It's packed with lies and distributed by apostates.

[coulson3]

It is written...

Be wary of religion, it's proven to be a very effective meme. "Believers will be saved! (carrot) Non-believers will perish! (stick) The Bible is the Word of God! (codified memotype to resist mutation)"

You don't have to believe everything that is written. It has only survived this long because it's effective at generating believers (parents convert children, evangelists convert adults, and the destitute convert themselves). It's a massive chain-letter for the soul.

[RonHolzwarth]

Perhapst thou art correct.

I shall hearken unto thee, and consider the truths that thou hast revealed unto me.

[scan58]

Ecclesiastes, Chapter 10:
[2] A wise man's heart inclines him toward the right, but a fool's heart toward the left.

Sorry for interrupting. Just thought that needed repeating.

[RonHolzwarth]

Besides, I'm Jewish anyway.

So, only the Tanakh, composed of the Torah, Neviim, and Ketuvim, all in the original Hebrew and Aramaic, are accurate, since they have never undergone a single translation, ever.

[tdadams]

Their heart knows better than... the book that has guided our society -- from the Founders of our uniquely successful society to the foes of slavery...

Excuse me?? Will someone remind Mr. Prager that the Bible condones slavery, even offers guidance as to treatment of slaves, and for hundreds of years was offered as unquestionable authority that slavery was proper.

[BSunday]

It's the heart vs the Bible

Jeremiah 17:9
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

[tdadams]

Those who accept the Bible as the one and only true word of God are emotional centered people. They do not allow themselves to think.

Unfortunately, I think you're right. And the Bible is all too often used as a sword instead of a lamp by those same people.

[tdadams]

Why are liberals always so obsessed with sex and sexual matters?

Are you trying to be ironic? Take a good look sometime at the topics sideboard of this conservative site and then ask yourself again who's obsessed with sex, liberals or conservatives.

It seems to me if liberals (leftists really) are concerned with sex, it's about their own sex lives. Conservatives are concerned with the sex lives of others. I think the latter is the more pathological, in all honesty.