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Military Plane Crashes Off I-15 (Miramar/San Diego, CA)
NBCSanDiego.com ^ | 03/10/2004 | NBCSanDiego.com

Posted on 03/10/2004 11:33:46 PM PST by Drago

Military Plane Crashes Off I-15 Search Hampered By Fog, Officials Say

POSTED: 10:03 pm PST March 10, 2004 UPDATED: 10:28 pm PST March 10, 2004

MIRAMAR, Calif. -- Officials reported Wednesday that a plane crashed east of Interstate 15, one mile east of the Miramar Marine Station.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: crash; marines; military; miramar; sandiego; usmc
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1 posted on 03/10/2004 11:33:46 PM PST by Drago
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To: Drago
Military Lear Jet, sounds like some big wigs were on board. We'll all have to pray that they all got out alive and well.
2 posted on 03/10/2004 11:37:55 PM PST by McGavin999 (Evil thrives when good men do nothing!)
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To: Drago
east of Interstate 15

That's the old Camp Elliott area. In the days when the navy was doing training at Miramar, that's where novice pilots who "lost it" used to punch out and the place was littered with wreckage.

In the early 70's, one of the guys bailed and his aircraft continued flying... right into the open door of a hanger. Big, ugly, mess.

3 posted on 03/10/2004 11:44:03 PM PST by ArmstedFragg
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To: Drago
Heard that there were four onboard and that it caught on fire when it went down. Can not find any other news about it.
4 posted on 03/10/2004 11:47:46 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: Irish Eyes
Yeah, pretty quiet out there...Google News has nothing on it. My local (Fresno) ABC affiliate had video of flames and fire trucks, and also said 4 on board.
5 posted on 03/10/2004 11:51:41 PM PST by Drago
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To: ArmstedFragg
I was in that hanger and there is a lot more to that story.
6 posted on 03/10/2004 11:51:43 PM PST by gdu2020
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To: Drago
Sad news.
A UC35 would be a Cessna Citation jet. The Learjet in military service is the C21 (Learjet model 35). Both are small versions of corporate aircraft which frequently carry military VIPs.
7 posted on 03/10/2004 11:53:29 PM PST by XHogPilot
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http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/military/20040310-2327-crash-late.html

"Military jet crashes near Marine base in Miramar; 4 feared dead "
8 posted on 03/10/2004 11:54:29 PM PST by Cindy
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To: gdu2020
I was in that hanger

Me too... but about an hour after the fact.

9 posted on 03/10/2004 11:56:01 PM PST by ArmstedFragg
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To: Cindy
Thanks for the new link...MUCH more info...
10 posted on 03/10/2004 11:57:30 PM PST by Drago
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To: Drago
You're welcome.
11 posted on 03/11/2004 12:04:34 AM PST by Cindy
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To: XHogPilot
I rode in a USMC UC-35 last month from Okinawa to Yokota AB. Nice ride.
12 posted on 03/11/2004 12:33:15 AM PST by Poundstone
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To: Cindy
wow, pop-up heaven at that link!

never got a chance to read the story, decided to close the link after 4 popups. maybe you can post the article ?
13 posted on 03/11/2004 4:48:07 AM PST by fnord (Never ascribe to malice that which can adequately be explained by incompetence)
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To: fnord
Google Toolbar is your friend. Good pop-up blocker. Towards the bottom of page here:

http://www.google.com/options/
14 posted on 03/11/2004 4:53:49 AM PST by FreedomPoster (This space intentionally blank)
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To: fnord
try opera.com. Check "Never Accept Popups"
15 posted on 03/11/2004 6:29:23 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: ArmstedFragg
When I was at Miramar (86-90) we had one go in over there. I remember being on the flight line and seeing a sudden billow of smoke. The first thought...I hope it wasn't one of ours. It was an A-4 from VF-126. I worked on F-16s for VF-126 & NFWS. It was maintenance error. The pilot got out and was back flying within weeks.
16 posted on 03/11/2004 7:11:35 AM PST by TankerKC (My life is a Country Song.)
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To: McGavin999
Military Lear Jet, sounds like some big wigs were on board.

It's a Cessna Citation, not a Lear, and it may have had only crew on board with perhaps one passenger (two pilots, one or two crew chiefs).

My husband and I were stationed at Miramar until we moved to Seattle. We probably know the pilots and/or the passengers. We can't find out anything right now, but we are on pins and needles waiting to see who was onboard.

17 posted on 03/11/2004 7:41:28 AM PST by Not A Snowbird (You need tons click "co-ordinating")
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Last modified Wednesday, March 10, 2004 11:31 PM PST


 

Jet with four aboard crashes at Miramar

MIRAMAR ---- A military jet with four people aboard crashed about a half-mile short of the runway at Miramar Marine Corps Air Station on Wednesday night, authorities said.

There was no immediate report of whether anyone survived.

The jet went down in a brushy area near Interstate 15 and Miramar Way during an attempted landing, Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Bruce Nelson said.

The aircraft known as a Utility Cargo-35 or modified version of a Cessna Citation was reportedly practicing an instrument landing when it went down at an area of the base known as Camp Elliot, according to California Highway Patrol Officer Larry Landeros.

A motorist called the patrol at 8:42 p.m. to report seeing an explosion, and emergency crews were at the scene a short time later putting out a fire, Landeros said.

There was a light fog in the area where the plane went down.

"They were (flying) blindly," Landeros said. "Motorists said they saw flames and heard an explosion."

The crash of the occurred about one mile east of I-15 near Miramar Road, Nelson said.

A Marine Corps pilot who came to an area near the crash site said he believed two of the people aboard were pilots and the other two were crew chiefs. The man, who declined to give his name, also said he believed the flight was a training mission and that the aircraft is a transport plane for high-ranking military officials.

Further details were not available.

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2004/03/11/news/breaking/3_10_0421_25_38.txt


11:27 p.m. March 10, 2004

Military jet crashes near Marine base in Miramar; 4 feared dead 
 


FRED GREAVES
Firefighters spray the wreckage of a military transport jet after it crashed at Marine Corps Air Station Miramar.
A military jet carrying four Marines crashed Wednesday night as it approached Miramar Marine Corps Air Station, officials said.

The plane was identified by the Federal Aviation Administration as a UC-35D, a military version of a twin-engine, Cessna Citation 560 corporate passenger jet.

The plane burst into flames after hitting the ground.

It crashed at 8:42 p.m. in a semi-brushy area east of Interstate 15 and Miramar Way where the Cedar fire had burned. It was about a half-mile short of the runway, FAA spokesman Bruce Nelson said.

Late reports said there were no survivors.

It was not immediately known what caused the plane to crash so close to landing, Nelson said. Foggy conditions were reported along the I-15 corridor Wednesday evening.

"Right now we really don't have too many facts," said Lt. John Niemann, a Marine spokesman.

Military and San Diego fire crews went to the site. The military took over the investigation, Nelson said.

Though rare, there have been previous crashes in the Miramar area where the military base is surrounded by housing and businesses.

In March 1987, an F-14 Tomcat fighter jet crashed near Poway, east of I-15 in an unpopulated area while on a routine training mission. No one was injured.

In March 1985, a fighter jet from Miramar crashed in a parking lot in Sorrento Valley, but there were no serious injuries.

In March 1978, an F-14 Tomcat struck a pickup on I-15 while on approach for landing. One F-14 crew member was killed and two occupants of the truck were injured.

In December 1981, an A-4E Skyhawk crashed east of I-15 between Scripps Ranch and Santee.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/military/20040310-2327-crash-late.html

 
 
 
 
 
 

18 posted on 03/11/2004 7:59:13 AM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl ("(We)..come to rout out tyranny from its nest. Confusion to the enemy." - B. Taylor, US Marine)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
A Marine Corps pilot who came to an area near the crash site said he believed two of the people aboard were pilots and the other two were crew chiefs. The man, who declined to give his name, also said he believed the flight was a training mission and that the aircraft is a transport plane for high-ranking military officials.

Unless this pilot works for ops and wrote the flight schedule, he had no business speculating what the flight was or who was on it. (/disclaimer)

That said, he's probably exactly right. Sounds like they were practicing instrument approaches with only crew on board.

19 posted on 03/11/2004 8:14:57 AM PST by Not A Snowbird (You need tons click "co-ordinating")
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To: McGavin999
Just got the word from our buddies at Miramar; four fatalities, all crew. Two pilots, two crew chiefs. I don't know any of them but my husband knows both pilots and one of the crew chiefs.
20 posted on 03/11/2004 8:57:10 AM PST by Not A Snowbird (You need tons click "co-ordinating")
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