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Ethics and Public Policy Center ^ | 11/03 | PROFESSOR AHMED AL-RAHIM

Posted on 03/09/2004 7:34:32 AM PST by Valin

PROFESSOR AHMED AL-RAHIM: Thank you for those kind words. And I want to thank Dr. Fradkin for the invitation, and also thank Eric Brown for helping me with the details of getting here and for hosting me. Thank you.

Today, I would like to discuss three topics. The first is my experience growing up as an American Muslim. The second is a critical assessment of the current leadership of the American Muslim community. And the third is what the community can and should do to create a new spirit of positive engagement in America and around the world.

I was born in Beirut, Lebanon to an Iraqi family and immigrated to the U.S. in 1978. When I came to the U.S., I very much wanted to be part of the American culture that I had read and heard about in Lebanon. But it was a difficult thing to do because I was in Texas, where someone with the name of Ahmed al-Rahim is not easily accepted.

So I began to look to religion as a form of identity. I read The Autobiography of Malcolm X, which I found very relevant in terms of the question of identity in America. The book inspired me to explore my background, which is Shiite.

My family was a secular Shiite family, not particularly religious in any way. The time was 1979, just after the Islamic revolution of Iran. This was a period of great excitement and pride for a lot of Shiites because, for once, the Shiites were able to assert themselves politically and have their own government. And this was felt deeply, even in Houston, Texas.

I began attending mosque in the hope that somehow I would discover my identity. What I ended up discovering was that the mosque experience was political in nature. I was searching for a historical understanding of my tradition, where I came from, and who I was, but at the mosque I ended up with a profoundly political experience.

In 1989, just after Khomeini's death -- I was 19 at the time -- the mosque had arranged a summer trip for us to go to Iran to commemorate the 40th day of his passing and also celebrate the installation of Ali Khamenei as the new leader of the Islamic Republic. This was considered a youth trip of our mosque in Houston, Texas.

We were taken to Iran, where we attended an inauguration ceremony at the old U.S. Embassy, which had been stormed during the Iranian revolution. There, along with the massive crowd, we repeatedly chanted "Death to America" - as if we were at a rock concert. There was Khamenei up there giving a fiery speech, and there I was, an American citizen, at the U.S. Embassy of all places, chanting "Death to America."

This was what my identity quest at the mosque in Houston had led me to. This was the kind of program that the mosque leaders thought was good for their youth. This was, I have to say, quite troubling.

What does it mean, as an American, to chant "Death to America"? I often hear people dismiss this kind of language - one might better call it hate speech or incitement - as mere rhetoric: "Oh, it doesn't really mean anything." But, what I came to realize - all the more so after the September 11 attacks - was that those words actually mean something. There are some Muslim radicals who are willing to take those words to their logical end, and it can't be just dismissed or willfully ignored.

But for a long time, this kind of hate speech and incitement was promoted by many American Muslim organizations - in public speeches at conferences, at mosques, at rallies outside the White House. And for too long, Muslim American organizations and leaders have been allowed to get away with it. This hate speech against America, against Christians, against Hindus, against Jews - nasty anti-Semitism - has somehow been accommodated, not denounced. I think it has partly been accommodated within the program of multiculturalism, where people fear offending or stigmatizing a minority group. "They have their own way of expressing things," is how some people rationalize Muslim hate speech. "It's just on the level of rhetoric."

But what the September 11 attacks brought home was that we can no longer accept that, especially the American Muslim community. I have to say that I find it very condescending for American Muslim leaders not to be held to the same standard as Christian leaders and Jewish leaders. If a Christian or Jewish leader says anything against Muslims, it becomes a national scandal. That is simply not the case with the American Muslim leadership. I believe it is a priority for the American Muslim community to hold its leadership accountable for what they say and what they fail to condemn.

Meanwhile, we watch with some embarrassment as prominent members of the old guard Muslim leadership are indicted on terror charges, including accepting money from Libya and charities funneling money to Al Qaeda and Hamas. These leaders were able to operate for years without significant scrutiny, but now it seems that the government is beginning to crack down - at least on direct ties to terror states and terror groups. It is a case of chickens coming home to roost.

In general, American Muslim organizations fail to promote the complexity that is Islam. Instead, they put out an image of a pure Islam, that Islam is X or Islam is Y. I often hear leaders arguing defensively that Islam treats women fairly. Of course, the vivid counter examples are numerous, from Saudi Arabia to Afghanistan and the American public can no longer accept these claims.

It is sometimes argued that the media perpetuates a monolithic image of Islam, but it is actually Muslim organizations that present this line to the media and the media feeds it right back. Muslim American leaders will say: "Islam stands for X", and then the media will ask: "What is the Islamic position on X?" What I would like to see is a much more nuanced discussion of what Islam is, about the complexity of Islam, about the diversity of Muslim life and attitudes, and in particular about the debates within the Muslim community.

It doesn't make sense to ask: what is the Jewish position on this? Or, what is the Christian position on that? Nobody asks those questions. But all too often we hear: "What is the Islamic position?" We have to move away from this kind of essentialist language and get back to a much more nuanced understanding of Islam and the Muslim world.

A few weeks ago, at the meeting of the Organization of Islamic Countries, the Malaysian Prime Minister addressed dozens of heads of states and called for Muslims to unite against the Jews. What did we hear from American Muslim organizations in this country? Hardly a word of condemnation. (And, of course, the media for the most part chose not to ask what American Muslims had to say in response to Prime Minister Matahir.) American Muslim groups are set up to be watchdogs for intolerance to Muslims, yet they fail to regulate their own community's attitudes or monitor the language coming from significant parts of the Muslim world.

American Muslim organizations have also failed to support genuine human rights in the Muslim world. In fact, human rights violations in the Muslim world - which, sadly, are numerous - only seem to come up when non-Muslims are responsible. In fact, there is a golden opportunity for Muslim organizations to get some of the U.S. government grants to advance liberty and help with education in the Muslim world. But few are seizing the moment to use their freedom in America to help advance freedom in the Muslim world.

Part of the problem is that education in the Muslim world is not on the American Muslim community's agenda. Mosques in America receive these packaged curricula from Saudi Arabia or from Iran, and they implement them here without thinking what kind of implications this has for American Muslim children.

Similarly, the issue of minority rights in the Muslim world is also ignored. American Muslims are a minority. We enjoy a tremendous amount of rights and freedom, which we sometimes have to struggle to preserve. But rather than draw our experience here as a minority to deal with minority rights in the Muslim world, there is only silence in the face of Muslim majority abuses. Who speaks out against the discrimination against the Copts in Egypt? Almost nobody. And when Muslims do, for example the Egyptian human rights activist Saad Eddin Ibrahim, they are thrown in jail without any protest from CAIR, from MPAC, from any of these organizations.

We at the American Islamic Congress worked hard to try to get Saad Eddin out of jail and to get him a fair trial. I published an op-ed in the Boston Globe, for instance, challenging our community to stand up for an American Muslim political prisoner (Ibrahim has American citizenship as well). Maybe the campaign had an effect, maybe it didn't. But, I hope it served as a model for how American Muslims can - and need to - be vocal about the human rights in the Muslim world. Our minority experience in this country should be translated in helping minorities in the Muslim world. Whether it is the Christians and animists in Sudan, the Copts in Egypt, or the Berbers in North Africa, right now there is generally silence and inaction.

American Muslims should also prioritize the creation of cultural centers, where American Muslims can go and study about their tradition and history - not primarily in a religious way, but just to explore who they are and where they come from. Go to a mosque to try to find out about Islam, and you will too often be fed Wahhabi material or ideological tracts from the Iranian revolution.

When I was in college, studying philosophy, a leader from the mosque in Houston gave me a book explaining all of Islam in 80 pages. He said: "Take this to you philosophy professor and he will convert." And I responded: "My philosophy professor works on one area of skepticism, and he has read shelves of books on this topic. One pamphlet is not going to change his worldview."

Too often you get this kind of material. It's quite problematic, and it actually doesn't appeal to American Muslims who go through the college system here, who are challenged at school to think critically. For Islam to be abridged in one or two books just doesn't work. Young Muslims need cultural centers to turn to. While I was growing up in Texas, I wanted to find such a place and I couldn't. There is no equivalent to a YMCA or Jewish Community Center.

I would also like to see some sort of chaplaincy program developed. While there is one in America, at the Hartford Seminary, there is really no way for imams to be certified in this country. So imams can come in off the plane from Saudi Arabia, from Egypt, from Iran, and become the head of an American mosque.

In the Houston mosque I attended, the imam came from Iraq. In no time, he was the head of the community and was off organizing support for the Iranian regime and fundraising for groups like Hezbollah. There was no accountability. There was no way of asking: "What are your credentials here? Who are you to come and lead this community and what do you know about the American community?"

In fact, he a follower of Montazeri. Montazeri was supposed to succeed Khomeini, but in 1989 Khomeini no longer wanted him to be his successor. Montazeri's son-in-law had connections to an opposition group and so the father was dismissed. Because the imam of our mosque was connected to Montazeri, he was dismissed immediately too. You see, the funding for the mosque came from the Mostazafan Foundation, which is very closely connected to the Khomeini establishment. Politics in Iran has a direct impact on spiritual leadership at an American mosque.

Again, this has so much to do with funding. Where does the funding for these mosques come from? Mostly from Saudi Arabia, or for Shi'ite mosque, from Iran. It's very difficult for American Muslims to collect enough money to build their own mosques, and so they rely on these institutions. That reliance brings political baggage with it, as mosques become subservient to an entire political program, a very radical political program.

Instead, the American Muslim community needs to be satisfied with smaller mosques they can control, where they determine the leadership rather than have it imposed from the outside, and where the leadership understands the local needs of the community. In fact, in the Houston mosque I attended, they could not even get their act together to start a day care center. They were too busy with politics - in Iran and Lebanon - to organize something as simple as a small day care center.

One idea is to have new American chaplaincy programs for imams positioned at various universities. In this way, Muslim religious leaders can go through the same academic training that Christians and Jews have to go through in terms of Biblical criticism - i.e., Quranic criticism - in terms of historical Jesus - i.e., the historical Mohammad. Imams need to understand that these debates are okay, that there are ambiguities within Islamic history, within the early tradition. And whether you believe them or not, they cannot be ignored. Having that kind of chaplaincy program at an American university would be an enormous breakthrough.

Finally, I want to return to the critical issue of hate speech. Hate speech and incitement by Muslims has been accommodated for far too long by Americans, who are doing our community a disservice by remaining uncritical. And American Muslim organizations have to be much more vocal in condemning this kind of speech, especially from the heart of the Muslim world. Because if we fail to vigorously condemn this kind of discourse, there will be more Muslims who are willing to take chants like "Death to America" to their logical conclusion.

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1 posted on 03/09/2004 7:34:32 AM PST by Valin
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To: Valin
Islam is not evil. However, the people running Islam are definitely evil, and they are buying influence in our country. The author is correct to lay the blame on the American Muslim leaders and their blind followers.
2 posted on 03/09/2004 7:57:08 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
Num. of Muslims in the U.S.: 7 million

Num. of American Muslims associated with a mosque: 2 million

3 posted on 03/09/2004 8:09:05 AM PST by Valin (Hating people is like burning down your house to kill a rat)
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To: antiRepublicrat
I disagree. I find the author to be the exception rather than the rule. I make a significant effort not to judge people by such esoteric things as religion, but Islam has defied this characteristic by their refusal to condemn the extremists.

As the old saying goes, when you fail to say no, it's the same thing as saying yes. Muslims arouind the world keep saying yes to the extremists.
4 posted on 03/09/2004 8:20:34 AM PST by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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To: antiRepublicrat
The problem with Islam is that it spawns evil people and blind followers. That is a bad mix. There is little hope that Islam can coexist with the 'infidels'. We have not seen any proof of it yet. We need to find ways to isolate Islam in their own lands and let them work it out. That is, if they can. I doubt it. We would have to see at least 200 years of reform and liberalization before concluding that Islam even has a chance. They have now been seething for 1,000 years and plotting a strategy for world supremacy. They are not to be trusted. Certainly we should not be stupid enough to bequeath Islam to our children and grandchildren.

All Western nations must find a way and the resolve to expel Islam from their lands. We must do this for our hildren.
5 posted on 03/09/2004 8:25:49 AM PST by Fithee
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To: DustyMoment
but Islam has defied this characteristic by their refusal to condemn the extremists.

The leaders and their blind followers as I said, but the religion itself isn't inherently evil just as guns aren't. We need more of this guy.

6 posted on 03/09/2004 8:32:16 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Poohbah; section9; Dog; veronica; Hildy
FYI
7 posted on 03/09/2004 8:35:02 AM PST by hchutch (Why did the Nazgul bother running from Arwen's flash flood? They only managed to die tired.)
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To: Fithee
The problem with Islam is that it spawns evil people and blind followers.

So can any religion. Such is the nature of the beast. One problem with Islam in America is that the politically influential money and leaders are coming from countries not necessarily friendly to us, while the Christian demagogues and their cash tend to be home-grown.

There is little hope that Islam can coexist with the 'infidels'.

This guy and his ilk are the perfect hope, and he needs to get more of his like-thinking brethren to speak up. There is a silent majority in America you don't hear from much (people just going on with their lives, not getting involved). Islam is nore more incompatible with American patriotism than Christianity or Judaism.

8 posted on 03/09/2004 8:40:04 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Fithee
Sorry, "no more incompatible"

We must do this for our hildren.

Wow, where in the left have I heard that before? It's the phrase you usually hear just before the Constitution is yet again shredded out of good intentions.

9 posted on 03/09/2004 8:44:38 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Valin
INTREP - TROP
10 posted on 03/09/2004 9:15:05 AM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: antiRepublicrat
It is incompatible. Note where the imam presumed that a Western-educated professor would be converted just by reading an 80-page booklet. This country has no use for the micromanagement of life's minituae and blind, unthinking obedience that Islam demands of its followers. That the author has difficulty reconciling his "religion" with American values every way he turns tells us all we really need to know.

Check out this free online translation of the Qu'ran and supplemental "holy" books and then determine where the evil comes from:

http://www.prophetofdoom.net/


11 posted on 03/09/2004 11:49:45 AM PST by NewRomeTacitus (This tag line has been tested on animals.)
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To: antiRepublicrat
I have no problems with the guy, I have seen too much of Islam. I stand by my original statement. A "religion" that supports oppression, slavery, violence, murder and intolerance is the religion of Satan.

There ARE problems with Islam. It was founded by a paedophile and brutalizes, oppresses and enslaves women and children. Islam is intolerant of other religions and CANNOT, according to the Koran, co-exist side-by-side with ANY other religion. Islam enslaves its people and does not provide any positive message from a loving God, only the consequences to be earned by not obliterating other religions and/or destroying those who refuse to follow the teachings of Islam (infidels).

What part of any of those things makes this appear to you to be a "religion" other than the "religion" of Satan?
12 posted on 03/10/2004 6:24:50 AM PST by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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To: DustyMoment
A "religion" that supports oppression, slavery, violence, murder and intolerance is the religion of Satan.

It's all about how the leaders interpret it for the masses who follow them. I can give you clear examples of all of the above in your Judeo-Christian scripture. Luckily Christian leaders and therefore their followers have grown above most of that, although intolerance seems to be currently popular.

It was founded by a paedophile and brutalizes, oppresses and enslaves women and children.

First, taking young wives was the norm almost 1,400 years ago in most cultures. Second, Christianity doesn't have a very good history towards women either. Despite the current warped interpretation of the Quran to degrade women, they are actually given more rights in law than women had in Christianity for a very long time.

Islam is intolerant of other religions and CANNOT, according to the Koran, co-exist side-by-side with ANY other religion.

"When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess ... when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them ... ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire."
You're right, not friendly to other religions. But wait, that's from the Bible, not the Quran.

Islam enslaves its people and does not provide any positive message from a loving God

"... righteous is he who ... giveth wealth, for love of Him, to kinsfolk and to orphans and the needy and the wayfarer and to those who ask, and to set slaves free; and observeth proper worship and payeth the poor-due. And those who keep their treaty when they make one, and the patient in tribulation and adversity and time of stress."

"Spend your wealth for the cause of Allah [as shown above], and be not cast by your own hands to ruin; and do good. Lo! Allah loveth the beneficent."

I'm not saying the Quran is all good, as it has some very nasty parts just as the Bible does, but there is good in it for those who want to follow it in a way that brings a positive influence into the world.
13 posted on 03/10/2004 2:11:28 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: NewRomeTacitus
Note where the imam presumed that a Western-educated professor would be converted just by reading an 80-page booklet.

I've seen the same thing from Christians many times. "Read this and you'll understand..."

blind, unthinking obedience that Islam demands of its followers.

God doesn't demand blind obedience? Are you allowed to question him?

Check out this free online translation of the Qu'ran and supplemental "holy" books and then determine where the evil comes from:

Thanks, I have my own dead tree copy. Check out all the evil stuff in this. You could do some real damage if you wanted to concentrate on following the bad stuff.

14 posted on 03/10/2004 2:15:47 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1094488/posts?page=1
Endless Jihad - The Truth about Islam and Violence
catholic answers ^
Posted on 03/10/2004 2:02:04 AM CST by miltonim
Endless Jihad
The Truth about Islam and Violence
Jihad.

It was once a word unfamiliar to American ears. But in recent years it has become all too familiar. The actions of Muslim militants and terrorists have seared the word into American consciousness.

Yet even with thousands of innocent civilians killed on American soil by Islamic terrorists, the full significance of the Muslim concept of jihad has not been grasped by the American public.

In the days after September 11, 2001, American leaders rushed to portray Islam as a peaceful religion that had been "hijacked" by a fanatical band of terrorists. One hopes that these assurances were merely tactical—that nobody was meant to believe them and that they were meant to assure the Muslim world that the inevitable American reprisals were not directed at their religion as a whole.

If the world Muslim community perceived America as attacking Islam in general then the duty of every Muslim to fight for his religion—the duty of jihad—would have been invoked on a broad scale. The war against terrorism, instead of simmering with occasional flare-ups, like the Cold War, would have boiled over into a global conflagration, with the Muslim countries of the world—1.2 billion strong—mobilizing against America and the West.

Muslim apologists also rushed forward to assure the public that Islam was a peaceful religion. They disingenuously declared that the word Islam means "peace." And they tried to portray the terrorists as a fringe group outside the mainstream of Islam.

These were lies.

The usual meaning of Islam in Arabic is not "peace" but "submission." And if the terrorists were so far outside the mainstream, why did Muslims all over the world burst into joyful, spontaneous celebrations when the hijacked jetliners slammed into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon? Why are Islamic governments afraid to show "too much" public support for the war against terrorism? Further, why are all the governments that covertly support terrorism centered in the Muslim world?

The truth is that Islam is not a religion of peace. This is not to say that every Muslim is violent at heart. Many are not. Muslims have the same aspirations for living peaceful lives that people have the world over. But they also have the same potential for violence as others, and Islam as a religion and an ideology seeks to exploit that potential.

Though there are millions of Muslims who want peaceful relations with the West, millions who aspire to live in free societies like America, there nevertheless remains a deep and powerful strain of violence within Islam, and it is important that Americans understand it.

They will have to face it in the future.
The Muslim Worldview
To understand the connection between Islam and violence, one must understand certain facets of the Muslim worldview. One of the most important is the fact that, according to the historic Muslim understanding, there is no separation between religion and government—what in Christianity would be called the separation of church and state.

We are not speaking here of the secularist idea that the state should marginalize religion and discourage people from voting their consciences as Christians. We are talking about the idea that church and state are not the same thing and that they have different spheres of activity.

This idea of a separation between religion and government is not characteristic of most peoples in world history. It is a contribution to the world of ideas that was made by Christians—indeed, by Christ himself. In his book Islam and the West, historian Bernard Lewis explains:

"The notion that religion and political authority, church and state, are different and that they can or should be separated is, in a profound sense, Christian. Its origins may be traced to the teachings of Christ, notably in the famous passage in Matthew 22:21, in which Christ is quoted as saying: ‘Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.’ This notion was confirmed by the experience of the first Christians; its later development was shaped and in a sense even imposed by the subsequent history of Christendom. The persecutions endured by the early Church made it clear that a separation between the two was possible."

During much of Christian history church and state were united in that each Christian state had an official church, whether it was the Catholic Church or one of the Orthodox or Protestant churches. In many countries that is still the case. Nevertheless, the awareness remained that the two institutions were distinct and had different functions and different spheres of legitimate authority. They could in principle disagree and go their separate ways when necessary.

Most peoples in world history have not shared this understanding. In most societies, religion and government have been inseparably linked. This is true in Muslim society as well. Lewis explains:

"In pagan Rome, Caesar was God. Christians were taught to differentiate between what is due to Caesar and what is due to God. For Muslims of the classical age, God was Caesar, and the sovereign—caliph or sultan—was merely his viceregent on earth. This was more than a simple legal fiction. For Muslims the state was God’s state, the army God’s army, and, of course, the enemy was God’s enemy. Of more practical importance, the law was God’s law, and in principle there could be no other. The question of separating church and state did not arise, since there was no church, as an autonomous institution, to be separated. Church and state were one and the same."

This means that, in the historic Muslim understanding, Islamic society is or should be a theocracy—a society in which God himself is the monarch, reigning on earth through subordinates.

In the earliest days of Islam, the subordinate was the prophet Mohammed, who founded Islam and conquered the Arabian Peninsula. Thereafter the subordinate was the caliphs and in the centuries after Mohammed’s death they expanded Muslim society by conquering peoples as far west as Spain and as far east as India. In the process, they absorbed half of Christian civilization. Eventually, the power of the caliphs waned, and new leaders—such as the Ottoman sultans—were the subordinates. Throughout it all, God himself was regarded as the ruler of Islamic civilization.
Islam as Ideology
That Islam sees itself as a theocracy has enormous ramifications for how it regards itself and for the behavior of Muslims.

First, it means that Islam is not only a religion. It is also a political ideology. If the government of the Muslim community simply is God’s government, then no other governments can be legitimate. They are all at war with God. As a result, Muslims have typically divided the world into two spheres, known as the Dar al-Islam—the "house of Islam" or "house of submission" to God—and the Dar al-Harb, or "house of war"—those who are at war with God.

Second, it means that Muslims have believed themselves to have a "manifest destiny." Since God must win in the end, the Dar al-Harb must be brought under the control of Muslim government and made part of the Dar al-Islam.

Third, since the Dar al-Harb by its nature is at war with God, it is unlikely that it will submit to God without a fight. Individual groups might be convinced to lay down their arms and join the Muslim community by various forms of pressure—economic or military—that fall short of war. In history some groups have become Muslim in this way, either fearing Muslim conquest, desiring Muslim military aid against their own enemies, or aspiring to good trade relations with the Muslim world. But many peoples would rather fight than switch. This has been particularly true of Christians, who have put up more resistance to the Muslim advance than have pagan and animistic tribes.

Because of the need to expand God’s dominion by wars of conquest, Islam’s ideology imposes on Muslims the duty to fight for God’s community. This duty is known as jihad (Arabic, "struggle, fight"). Although it is binding on all Muslims, it has been particularly incumbent on those on the edges of the Muslim world, where there was room for expansion. Only by continual jihad could the manifest destiny of Islam to bring the world into submission to God be fulfilled.

As eminent French sociologist Jacques Ellul notes, "Jihad is a religious obligation. It forms part of the duties that the believer must fulfill; it is Islam’s normal path to expansion."

A fourth and final consequence of Islam’s view of itself as a theocracy is that in theory all Muslims should not only form one religious community but should be subject to one government as well—God’s government, a kind of Muslim superstate. Yet this has not happened. Muslims have been ruled by different governments since the early days of Islam.
Ideology Meets History
The fact that Muslims are not united under a single government is due to a variety of historical factors. As Muslim territory expanded the problems with the idea of uniting all Muslim peoples under a single government became all too obvious. Islam grew from a tribal base, and tribal societies are not known for stability. The factions and rivalries that are inherent in such societies manifested as Islam grew and made it difficult to keep Muslims under a single head.

Another factor that kept a stable Muslim superstate from developing is the fact that—especially in a pre-technological world—local areas have to be governed locally. Large empires have had to cede large amounts of autonomy to local governments, and therein lay the seeds of their eventual dissolution. As local governments grew in power, they desired more and more autonomy, desiring eventually to throw off the yoke of their masters and to be truly independent.

As a result, even in the classical period of Islam the Muslim community was divided politically, with rivalries between various parties—for example, between the Ottomans and the Persians, who maintained a tense and sometimes violent rivalry for centuries. The conflicts within the Muslim community helped slow its expansion and helped lead to stagnation and decay.

A threat also was growing in the non-Muslim world.

Europe for centuries had been terrified by the Muslim advance, with continual warfare on its borders to the west and to the east as Christians struggled at first to check the Muslim advance and later to reclaim their homelands.

The fight was not easy for Europe and, for a long time, it did not go well. Lewis notes of medieval Christendom: "Split into squabbling, petty kingdoms, its churches divided by schism and heresy, with constant quarrels between the churches of Rome and the East, it was disputed between two emperors and for a while even two popes. After the loss of the Christian shores of the eastern and southern Mediterranean to the Muslim advance, Christendom seemed even more local, confided in effect to a small peninsula on the western edge of Asia which became—and was by this confinement defined as—Europe. For a time—indeed, for a very long time—it seemed that nothing could prevent the ultimate triumph of Islam and the extension of the Islamic faith and Muslim power to Europe."

As chronicler of Muslim expansion Paul Fregosi notes, "‘From the fury of the Mohammedan, spare us, O Lord’ was a prayer heard for centuries in all the churches of central and southern Europe. Fear of the jihad has not entirely vanished even now, particularly among peoples who have known Muslim domination." Muslims conducted raids to capture slaves as far west as England and Ireland. They attacked Iceland. And they plunged deep into Europe.

They captured Sicily and invaded the Italian mainland. "Naples, Genoa, Ravenna, Ostia, and even Rome itself were all for a time pillaged or occupied by the Saracens. Human beings became a cheap and abundant commodity. In Rome, in 846 . . . the Muslims even looted the churches of St. Peter and St. Paul, and the pope had to buy off the invaders with the promised tribute of 25,000 silver coins a year. Pope Leo IV then ordered the construction of the Leonine Wall around the city to protect St. Peter’s from further assault."

The threat continued for centuries, with Muslim forces laying siege in 1529 and 1683 to Vienna, the capital of the Holy Roman Empire, located in the heart of Europe.

But as Islam stagnated, new doors opened to Europe, particularly through the discovery of the New World and the vast material resources it offered. As Europe grew economically, technologically, and militarily through its colonies and the rise of global trade, the balance of power shifted, and the Islamic world became vulnerable.

Even before the discovery of the New World, Christians in both western and eastern Europe had begun to reclaim their conquered homelands from Muslim dominion, and the tremendous new resources that Europe had at its disposal as a result of the Age of Exploration only made things worse for Muslim aspirations to world political supremacy. Their own governmental structures—particularly the Ottoman empire—began to lose power and disintegrate, with Europeans stepping in to take control as colonialization progressed.

For three centuries the Muslim world lost ground, and by the first half of the twentieth century almost all of it had been reduced to being colonies or protectorates of European powers.

Lewis notes, "By 1920 it seemed that the triumph of Europe over Islam was total and final. The vast territories and countless millions of the Muslim peoples of Asia and Africa were firmly under the control of the European empires—some of them under a variety of native princes, most under direct colonial administration. Only a few remote mountain and desert areas, too poor and too difficult to be worth the trouble of acquiring, retained some measure of sovereign independence."

What was the Muslim reaction to this alarming sequence of developments?
Shock and Awe
In the seventeenth century it had begun to sink into Muslim consciousness that something was desperately wrong in the world. Though Muslim society had previously been more advanced economically and in some ways culturally than European society, it began to dawn on Muslim leaders that the barbarian infidels of Europe were catching up and in certain ways were ahead of Muslim society.

It is difficult for Westerners to realize just how crushing a realization this was, but it was devastating given Muslim self-perception.

The triumphal advance of Islam seemed to confirm to Muslim minds that they were the chosen of God and that civilization itself was identical with Islam, with only ignorant barbarians and infidels outside its borders.

In What Went Wrong?: Western Impact and Middle Eastern Response, Bernard Lewis notes that Christian Europe was seen "as an outer darkness of barbarism and unbelief from which there was nothing to learn and little even to be imported, except slaves and raw materials. For both the northern [European] and southern [African] barbarians, their best hope was to be incorporated into the empire of the caliphs, and thus attain the benefits of religion and civilization."

Shock and awe thus were the responses of Muslims as they saw their civilization collapsing and their former enemies—Christian Europeans—seizing control of their homelands. How could this happen? How could God’s people suffer such a reversal of fortune? How could their former might be so completely outclassed by the overwhelming economic and military might of Christendom, whose religion was their only serious rival for the role of a world faith?

Angry about the present and fearful of the future, Muslims began a process of introspection, explains Lewis.

"When things go wrong in a society, in a way and to a degree that can no longer be denied or concealed, there are various questions that one can ask. A common one, particularly in continental Europe yesterday and today in the Middle East, is: ‘Who did this to us?’ The answer to a question thus formulated is usually to place the blame on external or domestic scapegoats—foreigners abroad or minorities at home. The Ottomans, faced with the major crisis in their history, asked a different question: ‘What did we do wrong?’"

A debate followed, with various Muslims trying to analyze and propose remedies for the developing situation. "The basic fault, according to most of these memoranda, was falling away from the good old ways, Islamic and Ottoman; the basic remedy was a return to them. This diagnosis and prescription still command wide acceptance in the Middle East."

These twin explanations for the recent misfortune of Islam—that it was caused by a failure to observe Islam in its pure form and by the malicious meddling of foreigners (first Europeans and now Americans)—bode ill for tomorrow.
The Clash of Civilizations
European domination of the Muslim world was short-lived, ending in the 1960s with the close of the de-colonialization that followed World War II. Yet it had an enormous effect on the Muslim psyche.

This effect was somewhat muffled by the Cold War and the tense balance of power between the Western and Soviet spheres. The new Muslim states—the borders of which had been largely and not always skillfully drawn by the withdrawing colonial powers—were too weak to be assertive and fell into the orbits of either of the United States or the Soviet Union. Nationalistic assertiveness was subsumed during the tense, global standoff.

But with the collapse of the Soviet Union and the end of the Cold War, matters changed. At first, some hailed the event as "the end of history," but other, wiser observers pointed to new dangers in the world, including Islamic militancy.

Samuel Huntington, director of Harvard University’s John M. Olin Institute for Strategic Studies, presciently warned that the end of the Cold War would lead to a period he referred to as "the clash of civilizations." A major flash point he envisioned in this conflict, unsurprisingly, was between Islam and the West.

"After World War II, the West, in turn, began to retreat; the colonial empires disappeared; first Arab nationalism and then Islamic fundamentalism manifested themselves. . . . [The] centuries-old military interaction between the West and Islam is unlikely to decline. It could become more virulent. The Gulf War left some Arabs feeling proud that Saddam Hussein had attacked Israel and stood up to the West. It also left many feeling humiliated and resentful of the West’s military presence in the Persian Gulf, the West’s overwhelming military dominance, and their apparent inability to shape their own destiny."

Huntington noted a common consensus that an inevitable clash between Islam and the West, a clash initiated by the former, was soon to come: "On both sides the interaction between Islam and the West is seen as a clash of civilizations. The West’s ‘next confrontation,’ observes M. J. Akbar, an Indian Muslim author, ‘is definitely going to come from the Muslim world. It is in the sweep of the Islamic nations from the Maghreb to Pakistan that the struggle for a new world order will begin.’"

That confrontation came with the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 and the inauguration of the war against terrorism.

What did the terrorists hope for?

They hoped for a conflict with the West that would end the long, dark winter that Islam has experienced. They hoped that the fortunes of their religion and civilization would be reversed. They hoped for a war that would smash the might of the West and allow a wave Islamic revolutions to sweep away the worldly tyrants ruling Muslim nations. They hoped for a return to purer, stricter Islam, free of Western corruption and values. They hoped that the blessings of God would descend upon their civilization, allowing it to return to its rightful place at the head of nations, with a resurgence of Muslim nationalism that would give birth to the Islamic superstate that long had eluded them.

And they hoped for a new wave of expansion that would allow Islam to establish its destiny of bringing the entire world under Muslim control. In the famous al-Qaeda "dinner conversation" found on videotape in Afghanistan, Osama bin Laden expressed the view that the war he initiated would lead to a wave of Muslim expansion not seen since the religion’s first century, when it consumed half of Christian civilization.

These dreams of a renewed, purified Islam, of the overthrow of existing Muslim governments, of a triumphant smashing of the West, and of expansion through a new jihad are far from confined to bin Laden and his terrorists. They are the dreams that inspire the seething rage of "the Arab street," which so often breaks forth into violent demonstrations at political events beyond its control.
Taming the Dragon?
Within the Muslim world, government officials have been trying to cling to power in the face of rising anger on their streets. Trying to buy time, they have funded radical Islamic schools, media establishments, and even the terrorists themselves, hoping to direct and diffuse ineffectual Muslim rage toward the West as a scapegoat.

The West has responded with the war against terrorism, which Muslim governments would like to see succeed in ridding their society of its most radical elements, which seek their overthrow. Yet they hesitate to support the war too much lest they hasten their own demise through coup d’ etats.

Some in the West have suggested trying to cure the economic roots of the dissatisfaction and despair in Muslim society that contribute to radicalism and terrorism. The problem is not lack of wealth. Many Muslim countries are oil-rich and have had money in abundance for decades, yet the elites have refused to pursue policies leading to greater economic prosperity for their populaces. Instead, they have enriched themselves and shut their own people out of economic development.

Many in the West have proposed trying to spread freedom and democracy in the Muslim world, thinking that greater political involvement and opportunity would help dry up the roots of terrorism.

While democracies generally have done better helping secure economic development for their populations, it is unclear how freedom and democracy could be brought to the Muslim world. It would mean effective regime change in the countries in question, and it is unlikely that many countries would change their own regimes voluntarily, though some might be pressured into making reforms in this direction. To introduce any form of truly representative government in many countries would require armed intervention, as it did in Afghanistan.

There is then the question of how democracy could be sustained in the Muslim world. Muslims have no historical experience of Western freedom and democracy. Middle Eastern society is still largely dominated by tribalism, which has a tendency to subvert the democratic process, with one tribe coming into power and then brutally suppressing its rivals.

The only halfway democratic Muslim country is Turkey, which actually is a country where the military holds power but does not govern. It allows political parties to vie for and exercise governance within Turkey, but only on condition that they do not transgress limits set by the military.

If genuine democracy were achievable, what would the results be? Given the current state of the Arab street, the results would not be pretty. In his analysis, Samuel Huntington argued:

"Many Arab countries, in addition to the oil exporters, are reaching levels of economic and social development where autocratic forms of government become inappropriate and efforts to introduce democracy become stronger. Some openings in Arab political systems have already occurred. The principal beneficiaries of these openings have been Islamist movements. In the Arab world, in short, Western democracy strengthens anti-Western political forces."

The introduction of freedom and democracy to the Muslim world is thus fraught with problems and, in any event, is not a solution to problems in the short term.

One thing that can be done in the short term—as illustrated by the interventions in Afghanistan and Iraq—is the use of military force. Could this help? It certainly has dealt a tremendous blow to the al-Qaeda terrorist network, even though that organization is not yet out of business.

Some have argued that the use of military force will inflame Muslim hatreds and produce a new crop of terrorists. Undoubtedly some Muslims will become terrorists on the pretext that the West has used force. But then some Muslims would become terrorists if the West didn’t use force. Indeed, to a significant degree the al-Qaeda terrorists of September 11 were the product of the view that the United States was a faltering, weak superpower that could be defeated just as the Soviet Union had been humiliated in Afghanistan.

Muslims respect strength. They cheer whoever displays it. Regardless of how many times their towns change hands during an armed conflict, the populace will turn out to cheer their newest liberators, whether they are genuinely on a mission of liberation or not.

Due to its effectiveness in dealing at least temporarily with problems in the Muslim world, the use of military force in finding a long-term solution is likely to be essential. It certainly must be wielded with discretion and in keeping with the Church’s just war doctrine, but its use is likely unavoidable. It also is certainly not sufficient. Military force will have to be used in conjunction with other initiatives, including diplomatic and economic ones.

But is a solution achievable?
Paradise and Power
Can the historic connection between Islam and violence be broken?

Some would argue that it can. After all, our own forebears in Christendom were more violent than we are. Europe was riven by conflict between petty kingdoms for centuries, but eventually a society developed from it that is stable and not at constant war with either itself or its neighbors. Perhaps Muslim society could be led or forced down the same path.

Perhaps. But the proposition is not quick, easy, or certain.

The development of a stable Europe took centuries of bloody conflict that finally wore out the resolve of Europeans to keep killing each other and prompted them to try a different path. This was not achieved until, in the first half of the twentieth century, Europe underwent two massive convulsions of violence, the First and Second World Wars. Key to both of these was the intervention of the United States, which at the end of the Second World War pacified Europe and refused to let its states continue to pursue their bitter, historic rivalries in ways that could destabilize Europe and lead to another war.

Post-war Europe also was united by an outside threat: Soviet Communism, which dominated Eastern Europe. It was the continued presence of U.S. forces in Western Europe during the Cold War that helped protect it from Soviet invasion while new, more healthy political and economic ties were developing between its states as they sought to form a united front against the Soviet threat.

The sequence of events that led to the current state of affairs in Europe is unique and may not be repeatable. Trying to force the Muslim world down the same path is an uncertain proposition, and, even if it could succeed, it might well require the same dramatic military interventions and conflicts as the pacification of Europe. It might require world wars and cold wars.

And then there is a factor that makes the pacification of Islam less likely than the pacification of Europe.
The Roots of Muslim Violence
It is simplistic to characterize any of the major religions as being strictly "of violence" or "of peace." As Solomon pointed out, "For everything there is a season; a time to kill, and a time to heal; a time for war, and a time for peace" (Eccles. 3:1, 3, 8). That’s the way life works in a fallen world, and every religion capable of serving as the basis of a culture has recognized both the need for peace and the need for the use of force in certain circumstances.

Sects that are totally pacifistic have to rely on the good graces of others who are willing to use force to protect them, while sects that are totally given over to violence do not survive long since they kill themselves off or are broken up by their neighbors as a matter of self-protection. For a religion to serve as the basis of a culture, it must seek to preserve peace but also be willing to use force. All major religions tend toward this mean.

Yet some religions are far more prone to violence than others. Among the major religions, Islam is by far the most violent. This may be seen by comparing it to the religions most closely related to it, Judaism and Christianity.

Though belief in the true God goes back to the dawn of mankind, Judaism in its traditional form was founded by Moses, who, if evaluated politically, could be considered a warlord, leading the tribes of Israel toward the Promised Land and the conquest that would follow. The Old Testament contains numerous commands to use violence to protect and promote the nation of Israel. This potential for violence is reigned in, though, by the fact that Judaism is a religion for just one ethnic group confined to one territory.

Christianity, by contrast, is a universal religion, meant for all peoples in all countries. It has much greater breadth, and much lower intrinsic potential for violence. Its founder—Christ—was a martyr, who refused to fight to save his life. Though the New Testament acknowledges that the Old Testament revelation is from God, it does not contain new commands to use violence, as Christianity was not to be allied from its birth to a state in the way Judaism was.

The fact that in Christianity church and state are distinct means that as a religion Christianity has less potential for violence since it is not called upon to use force in the way a state is. This, coupled with Jesus’ own example and his "love thy enemy" teachings (e.g., Matt. 5:44), gives Christianity less innate potential for violence.

In contrast, Islam’s founder was a warlord who rose from nowhere and who by his death was the undisputed master of Arabia Peninsula. The holy book he produced is filled with commands to use violence in the service of its religion and nation. This potential for violence is similar to that possessed by Judaism except it is immensely augmented by the fact that Islam views itself, like Christianity, as a universal religion meant for all peoples in all countries. It also makes no distinction between church and state and is thus a political as well as religious ideology.

As a result, Islam has been willing to employ violence on a massive scale, as illustrated by the first century of its existence, when the Islamic Empire exploded outward and conquered much of the known world.

The attitude of Islam toward using violence against non-Muslims is clear. Regarding pagans, the Quran says, "Slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful" (Surah 9:5). This amounts to giving pagans a convert-or-die choice.

Regarding violence against Jews and Christians, the Quran says, "Fight against those to whom the Scriptures were given as believe in neither God nor the last day, who do not forbid what God and his messenger have forbidden, and who do not embrace the true faith, until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued" (Surah 9:29). In other words, violence is to be used against Jews and Christians unless they are willing to pay a special tax and live in subjection to Muslims as second-class citizens. For them the choice is convert, die, or live in subjection.

The Quran also has stern words for Muslims who would be slow and reluctant to attack unbelievers: "Believers, why is it that when you are told: ‘March in the cause of God,’ you linger slothfully in the land? Are you content with this life in preference to the life to come? . . . If you do not go to war, he [God] will punish you sternly, and will replace you by other men" (Surah 9:38-39).

And, of course, there is the promise of reward in the afterlife for waging jihad in this one: "Believers! Shall I point out to you a profitable course that will save you from a woeful scourge? Have faith in God and his messenger, and fight for God’s cause with your wealth and with your persons. . . . He will forgive you your sins and admit you to gardens watered by running streams; he will lodge you in pleasant mansions in the gardens of Eden. This is the supreme triumph" (Surah 61:10-12).

It must be pointed out that there are people of peace and people of violence in all religions. There are violent Christians. There are peace-loving Muslims. Changing historical circumstances do much to bring out tendencies toward violence and peace among the followers of different religions. Yet, even when these qualifications are made, it is clear that Islam as a religion and an ideology has by far the greatest tendency to violence.

There are, indeed, many Muslims who desire peace, but, their views often do not count for much in Muslim society. Author Serge Trifkovic notes: "Some critics may object that this account of Islam in the modern world does not pay much attention to Islamic moderation, to the everyday wish of everyday Muslims for a quiet life. This is not because such moderates are rare, but because they are rarely important. Religions, like political ideologies, are pushed along by money, power, and tiny vocal minorities. Within Islam, the money and the power are all pushing the wrong way. So are the most active minorities. The urgent need is to recognize this. Our problem is not prejudice about Islam, but folly in the face of its violence and cruelty. And in any case, the willingness of moderates to be what are objectively bad Muslims, because they reject key teachings of historical Islam, may be laudable in human terms but does nothing to modify Islam as a doctrine."

The prospect of modifying Islam’s doctrine regarding violence is problematic. Although some Muslims in history have tried to "spiritualize" the Quran’s declarations regarding violence, there is always a countervailing fundamentalist push to return to the sources of Islam and take them literally.

Indeed, this reaction is what characterizes the Wahhabite movement that dominates Saudia Arabia and inspired Osama bin Laden’s ideology. Philosopher Roger Scruton notes that in the Wahhabite view, "whoever can read the Quran can judge for himself in matters of doctrine."

This attitude, which is tantamount to an Islamic version of sola scriptura, is likely to prove as durable in Muslim circles as it has been in Protestant Fundamentalist circles. As long as that is the case, there will be fresh waves of Muslim "martyrs" willing to take the Quran’s statements on killing literally, apply them to today, and then hurl themselves into combat with whomever they perceive as "the Great Satan."
Conclusion
We have seen the roots of Islamic violence in the life and teachings of Mohammed. We have seen that world events have conspired to place Islam and Christianity in a conflict of civilizations that has stretched from the sixth to the twenty-first century.

What the future holds is unknown. What is known is that Islamic civilization has a strong tendency to violence that stretches back to the days of Mohammed and that has begun to flare up in resurgent terrorist and revolutionary movements.

The conflict with militant Islam may last a long time—centuries, potentially—since even if curing Muslim society of its violent tendencies is possible, it would involve ripping out or otherwise neutralizing a tendency that has dominated Muslim culture since the days of its founder.

This is not an easy task, for Muslims willing to make the change would be portrayed as traitors to their religion, amid renewed calls to practice Islam in its original, pure, and more violent form in order to regain the favor of God. The signs of the times suggest that we are, indeed, in for a "clash of civilizations" that will be neither brief nor bloodless.

But what also is known is that God has a plan for history and that his grace can work miracles. It is yet possible that—through one means or another—God will bring about a more peaceful world in which militant Islam either is not a threat or nowhere near the threat that it is today.

If this is to happen, our cooperation with God’s grace will require prayer, courage, resourcefulness, and a realistic understanding of the threat we are facing. Until then there can be no illusions about Islam and its endless jihad.
15 posted on 03/10/2004 4:33:01 PM PST by NewRomeTacitus
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To: NewRomeTacitus
Nice pre-canned stuff. Do you know anything about Islam or Muslims yourself?
16 posted on 03/10/2004 7:00:03 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
I’m fortunate to know a few very bad Muslims who only wish for peaceful coexistence.
I also check with “Ask the Imam” almost every day. You’ll laugh, you’ll cry, you’ll wonder what’s up with that? Here are a few recent inquiries:

“Q: I want to ask that the use of Emotions i.e. smiles in chat or email comes under drawing pictures? Detail:- for example " :) , ;-) “etc. (keeping in mind that in messenger a smiley face appears which has visible eyes and moth etc)

A: The use of emotional signs, for example, smile, sad, etc. in a cellphone falls in the category of animate pictures. It is prohibited to make use of such emotional signs in a cellphone.
and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best! Mufti Ebrahim Desai”

“Q: Is it permisilbe for muslims to wear NIke shoes and garments with this kufr gods name?
Definition of the word Nike Noun 1. Nike - (Greek mythology) winged goddess of victory; identified with Roman Victoria a deity worshipped by the ancient Greeks Is it permisilbe for muslims to wear shoes and garments with this kufr gods name?

A: It is Haraam (strictly prohibited) for Muslims to wear Nike shoes and garments.
If a Muslim wears Nike shoes and garments, he/she will be committing a major sin.
and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best! Mufti Ebrahim Desai”

“Q: Was Pakistan wrong to help USA against Afghanistan?

A: Yes.
and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best! Mufti Ebrahim Desai”

And this disturbing question…

“Q: Is it permissible to use a Flight Simulator? While Taking Off/Landing, are there any du'aas that can be read? The reason why I need this help is because I'll be taking flying lessons soon. Is it permissible to use a Flight Simulator, which is a professional edition (Classed as a game, but one that costs £80) to practice? This involves getting used to things, such as GPS, Air traffic communications, realism effects. While Taking Off/Landing, are there any du'aas that can be read?

A: It is permissible. Is there any specific doubt you have?
Read the Duas for starting and completing a journey. Also when ascending recite “Allahu Akbar” in abundance, and when descending recite “Subhaanallah” in abundance.
and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best! Ml. Imraan Vawda, Fatwa Dept”.

Fatwas have a Department. Muslims write in about every conceivable split hair. Passing gas or drops of urine during prayer is a big one. One fellow wanted to know the exact rules for taking slaves during Jihad. A woman was convinced getting furniture for the comfort of elderly guests would invite Satan into her home. Muslim men are not allowed to wear contact lenses during prayer but eyeglasses are permitted. Don’t even think about wearing a titanium ring. It’s perfectly acceptable to recite a pledge of allegiance as long as you know it is meaningless for Muslims (only a one world-wide caliphate is acceptable). Here’s the link; happy reading and remember
Allah Ta'ala Knows Best!

http://islam.tc/ask-imam/index.php

17 posted on 03/10/2004 8:56:04 PM PST by NewRomeTacitus (I divorce you three times. Go and sin no more.)
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To: NewRomeTacitus
That is some pretty strange stuff. Kind of like orthodox Jews asking about the fine points of kosher, Passover or Shabbat.
18 posted on 03/11/2004 5:22:55 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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