[onyx]

This is quite a first post for you. Did you send it to Krauthammer or just post it here?

I note you have signed-on today.

[Clint Williams]

elsie, here's an opportunity to re-post your rebuttal.

[Americathy]

Right on the mark, Stand4Truth. I was really disappointed in both Krauthammer and Mona Charon for their stand against this film, because both (and especially Krauthammer) are among my favorite conservative writers. They are usually so logical but this time they really got muddled by something, maybe just a reaction to years of antisemitism. But I thought they knew where the source of that lies - in paganism and Islamism (if that's a word), but certainly not in true Christianity.

[Eala]

Welcome to FreeRepublic

[Mike Darancette]

As a Christian and not a historian I believe that;

1. Jesus Was the Son Of God.
2. Was Betrayed.
3. Was arrested.
4. Was Scourged.
5. Was Crucified.
6. Arose from the grave to show the way to eternal life.

Hint to Kraut: 1 & 6 are the important ones.

[rbmillerjr]

Excellent refutation.

You hit Krauthammer where it hurts - to his usually logical self. You are totally correct, his column is full of illogical and emotional leaps of faith (no pun intended)

[mc5cents]

Wonderful post Stand4Truth. I was really disappointed with Krauthammer's piece. He was way off base, IMHO. You pointed that out with great eloquence. Thank you.

[lonevoice]

Welcome to Free Republic.

Very well done letter to Krauthammer. Please let us know if you get a reply from him?

[The Mayor]

BUMP!!

[rdb3]

All true Christians including myself believe that Christ died for the sins of all mankind everywhere for all time.

Please reconsider your statement. Rethink this clearly, please.

[Agnes Heep]

Krauthammer is a great political commentator, and a wise man.

[h.a. cherev]

I won't respond to your entire letter...I don't have the time. Moreover, I haven't read the original article yet. But I would like to comment on this POV and have taken the liberty of inviting several of your supporters to see if they also believe this.

YOU WROTE:The blood libel that this story had affixed upon the Jewish people had resulted in countless Christian massacres of Jews, and prepared Europe for the ultimate massacre -- 6 million Jews systematically murdered within six years.

So, you believe that the central act of the Christian faith is responsible for the holocaust.

I think you're twisting Krauthammer's words. The central act of the Christian faith was the crucifixion - not the role of the Jews, Romans or anyone else, correct? Isn't the central act that JC died for your sins? Or is the role of the Jews the central act because that's it appears you're saying to me. Have I misread you?

Moreover, if you don't believe there were massacres of Jews throughout history by "Christians" who blamed Jews for the death of JC, then what do you think prepared Europe for the Holocaust? Do you think Hitler just sprung up from nowhere and millions of "Christians" decided to go along with the idea of extermination as a lark? There was no prejudice against the Jews at all in "Christian" Europe? Or if there was, what do you think was the cause? Was it the behavior of the Jews? What did they do to make everyone hate them so much?

BTW, I use the quotation marks around the word, "Christian", because on a number of these threads I was told that true Christians would never have allowed Hitler to perpetrate his crimes against humanity. I mean no disrespect.

Clearly Christians believe that satan is behind motivating people throughout history to committ heinous sinful acts such as Hitler's murder of millions of Jews, Stalin's murder of millions of Christians,

FYI, Stalin murdered loads of Jews as well. But I digress. I'd like you to clarify this for me since I'm not Christian, but Jewish. The Jewish faith believes in free will. If a Jew decides to sin, he or she is not allowed to blame "Satan". They should take responsibility for their acts, ask forgiveness, repent, and resolve not to sin again. Perhaps it's different in Christianity. Do you blame all your sins on Satan and thus deny any responsibility for them? You have no free will?

[mc5cents]

YOU WROTE: The most subtle, and most revolting, of these has to my knowledge not been commented upon. In Gibson's movie Satan appears four times. Not one of these appearances occurs in the four Gospels. They are pure invention.

I guess he forgot Matthew Chap 4 and Mark Chap 1. I don't know. Maybe Charles never read the New Testament. Very disappointing.

[eccentric]

Just to see what I may have forgotten, I stuck in my tape of Jesus of Nazareth. The 'scourging' scene last a few seconds and afterwards Jesus walks sadly to Pilot like a child who is told to clean his room. You know, they have their own 'feel good' movies.

[Atchafalaya]

Excellent, would you be so kind to post any reply that you get from Krauthammer; I would think it would be interesting.
Welcome and stick around.

[NewRomeTacitus]

Mr. Krauthammer finally made a misstep into a realm he is too logical to comment on in the way he is used to. That's a GOOD thing. He will be a better person for having his worldview expanded and expend extra effort when he analyzes like subjects in the future. Look for more insightful work from him in the future.

[Frank_2001]

Excellent post!

[DestroytheDemocrats]

"Many Catholics reject "the result" of Vatican II because of the devastation it has wraught on The Church."

If he does not stop reading after five sentences he will stop reading right here. No Catholic should be rejecting the teachings of Vatican II regarding relations with the Jews.

[DestroytheDemocrats]

One last post and I am done with this. Gibson relies on Emmerich for spiritual edification and for inspiration for this film. Gibson has been quoted as saying that Emmerich “supplied me with stuff I never would have thought of.”[8] He also carries what he considers to be her relic, which he showed during a recent television interview. That is problematic right there!!

Read this excerpt from her writtings!!!"

"At the same moment I perceived the yawning abyss of hell like a fiery meteor at the feet of Caiaphas; it was filled with horrible devils; a slight gauze alone appeared to separate him from its dark flames. I could see the demoniacal fury with which his heart was overflowing, and the whole house looked to me like hell. […]I remember seeing, among other frightful things, a number of little black objects, like dogs with claws, which walked on their hind legs; I knew at the time what kind of wickedness was indicated by this apparition, but I cannot remember now. I saw these horrible phantoms enter into the bodies of the greatest part of the bystanders, or else place themselves on their head or shoulders.[6] "

How creepy is that? And then there is her comment about Jews strangling Christian babies? What the HELL is that all about?

[eleni121]

Excellent refutation.

Maybe Krauthammer can relieve his frustrations by playing this from The Jewish Hammer, the film that bashes Christians (all in fun of course)

http://www.thehebrewhammer.com/fun.asp