Posted on 03/04/2004 10:31:36 PM PST by scripter
An effort to do away with federal income tax and replace it with a national consumption tax is gaining steam, as activists strive to get at least 100 members of the House of Representatives on board by Independence Day.
"We think we'll be at 100 co-sponsors by July 4," Tom Wright, executive director of Americans for Fair Taxation, told WND.
Wright noted the House bill, H.R. 25, added its latest co-sponsor this week Republican Rep. Barbara Cubin of Wyoming bringing the total to 44.
"We're working with our grass-roots people across the country" to get to the goal, Wright said. H.R. 25, the Fair Tax Act, is sponsored by Rep. John Linder, R-Ga., who has sponsored similar legislation for the last several years. The latest version of the bill was introduced Jan. 7, 2003.
"The current federal income tax system is broken. Patching up the existing code is pointless. It's time for a fresh approach, a fair approach. It's time for the FairTax," says the group's website.
"From its humble beginnings, the income tax has grown like a cancer by taxing our hard work and discouraging savings and investment."
H.R. 25 would eliminate the federal income tax and replace it with a 23 percent consumption tax paid by the end user. That means business-to-business purchases for the production of goods and services would not be taxed. The organization estimates consumer prices will drop by an estimated 20-30 percent as a result of the change.
The group's website describes how the bill's rebate function works. It assures that those living in poverty would not pay any tax.
"Under the FairTax, no American will pay taxes on necessities. The rebate will be equivalent to the tax paid on essential goods and services. The rebate will be mailed before the tax is actually paid [and] will be paid in equal installments at the beginning of the month. The size of the monthly rebate will be determined by the federal poverty level for a particular household size."
Wright touted the support of the American Farm Bureau. The organization has been educating its membership on the bill, and many state chapters have given the bill legislative priority.
Dumping the income tax has become a campaign issue in many political races this year, Wright says.
"All over Texas, House candidates are supporting it," he said, mentioning races in other states as well.
Wright noted the bill's cause is helped every time Social Security reform is discussed, since, under the plan, the entitlement program would be supported by the consumption tax instead of what he calls the "regressive" Social Security tax.
Americans for Fair Taxation says the first year the plan goes into effect, revenue to the federal government would remain the same. From there, the group claims, revenue will grow due to increased economic activity.
H.R. 25 is pending in the House Ways and Means Committee and has not had a hearing. Once the sponsorship level grows to 100, however, Wright thinks Chairman Bill Thomas, R-Calif., will take action on the bill.
The bill's Senate version is S.1493, sponsored by Sen. Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga., which was introduced in July.
WND columnist Neal Boortz is a supporter of the plan. In an August column, he addressed the issue of why the idea hasn't been enacted already.
"And just why hasn't it passed?" he wrote. "Because the idea is so bold that many politicians, while personally praising the concept, just assume it can't pass.
"It can pass, my friends. It can pass if the people of America learn the details and then let their elected officials know that they want some action."
Previous stories:
Income tax to end within few years?
National sales tax gains momentum
Group plans 'fair tax' convention
Congress to consider 'fair tax'
You've fallen for the 23% lie. The tax is "23% of the gross payment" (including itself).
BUT they say that prices will also drop 20 - 30% because of the hidden income taxes that are already built into the products
There is NOT 20 to 30% federal income taxes "hidden" into any product at the retail level...NO business would survive paying 20 to 30% of their gross in taxes. Most products aren't even made here anymore anyway....THINK!
Like George did?
It goes beyond a simple handwave of 'yeah there are cheaters'.
Watch the Frontline piece. You will see that the nation's biggest accounting firms are engaging in sham transactions and accounting flips to help corporations and individuals evade not avoid income taxation.
The abuse steps over the line to lies and deceit. The big accounting firms are making hundreds of millions of $$$ pushing tax scams onto unwitting clients, and saying while doing so that everyone does it, the government is powerless to do anything about it.
I think we agree about the negative behavior caused by the tax code.
But try to understand this. The characters who are presently involved, and they are at the highest ranks within the big accounting firms, exhibit such unscrupulous conduct, unethical to the extreme, that I would bet heavily that these individuals would find a way to sham an NST.
In other words, these guys are criminals no matter what the tax code looks like. That was my point.
No it isn't.
Simply saying it "should" be done doesn't make it part of the processs.
Wrong.
There's little difference between witholding it and reporting it.
They'll be paid without withholding taxes...no gain there.
No they'll charge a fee and you'll pay a 30% tax on that too.
You're such a fraud. You know the tax isn't 23% in that context.
Never mind that they can't, but even if the prices could fall 20-25% (I thought it was 20 to 30% a minute ago) the tax increases the pice 30%...not 23%...
Same as now?...Not even close.
No
Congress are actually trying to make it happen
And for how long have they been trying to do this, without it happening?
I don't like it, but to think that Washington actually gives a hoot about the masses and limiting their power one needs to give up crack and smell reality
I'm sure you have read (and understand) Beardsley Rumls 1946 speach.
Sure do, if you want government using income taxes for social, political and economic engineering you can have it too, somewhere else.
There is only one function authorised and mandated under the constitution for taxation:
Constitution for the United States of America:
Don't see inflate you way out or social, economic, or political engineering in there do you?
I've done the numbers - I've had y'all show me your numbers, and you're wrong.
I'm not going to argue - I'm gonna wait and, if this foolishness (consumption tax, not the overhaul of the current system which is so badly needed - at least we agree on THAT!) goes through, it'll only be a matter of time before I'll refrain from saying "Toldja so"....
You're such a fraud. You know the tax isn't 23% in that context.
Income/Payroll tax case:
Lets see $100 today. 23% income/payroll taxation embedded.
.23 * $100 = $23, $77 kept by retailer with the 23% due to income & payroll taxation removed,
That $23 tax going to governent via many different routes embedded into all production levels for the product.
NRST case:
A retail seller (who is legally liable for reporting and remitting the NRST) merely multiplies sales revenue received by sales tax rate to determine what he should remit to tax authority.
Retailer receives $100, end of month he multiplies 100* 0.23 = $23 that he sends to state tax authority, and keeps $77.
Works out fine lewislynn.
The customer pays $77 for product, and $23 tax on purchase, both of which are list on his receipt.
The retailer keeps $77 for the product and remits $23 tax.
Same tax paid in the income/payroll situation, as the NRST.
but to think that Washington actually gives a hoot about the masses and limiting their power one needs to give up crack and smell reality
Washington, cares about staying in their cushy jobs.
The voter cares about how they are taxed.
Who sits put Congress Critters in and allows them to stay there.
It's up to you how you will be taxed. NOT Congress Critters who can you can replace.
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