Avi Rubin is a respected security researcher who went the extra mile and found out he was right. I had not thought about the "sheeple" aspect of what he saw. Interesting and disturbing.
1 posted on
03/04/2004 3:58:49 PM PST by
irv
To: sauropod; irv
read later. Go Terps!
2 posted on
03/04/2004 4:00:59 PM PST by
sauropod
(I intend to have Red Kerry choke on his past.)
To: irv; All
3 posted on
03/04/2004 4:06:22 PM PST by
backhoe
To: irv
"I also believe that we have great people working in the trenches and on the front lines. These are ordinary people, mostly elderly, who believe in our country and our democracy, and who work their butts off for 16 hours, starting at 6 a.m."
AMEN!
4 posted on
03/04/2004 4:11:59 PM PST by
SwinneySwitch
(The Barbarians are Inside the Gates!)
To: irv
It's not easier to cheat with electronic voting machines. But it's easier to cheat with huge numbers with electronic voting machines.
5 posted on
03/04/2004 4:12:01 PM PST by
gitmo
(Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
To: irv
It's perhaps worth pointing out that Baltimore County is very different from Baltimore City.
8 posted on
03/04/2004 4:47:53 PM PST by
expatpat
To: irv
Here's my simple plan to streamline the voting technology:
Give everyone a piece of paper with a list of candidates' names on it. Person circles (or places 'X' next to, or something equally obvious) name of preferred candidate. Drops ballot in a box on the way out. Ballots in box are tabulated by people, using their eyes, at the end of the day, in some fair way (i.e. by more than one person, representing more than one party, etc).
From everything I have heard about all our other voting technologies, I don't believe there are any valid complaints about or improvements to be made upon such a system. Efficiency? Simplicity? This has it. Look at all the procedures that this guy describes, by contrast; cards and sleeves, papers and books, people putting cards on a piano... I mean WTF is the point. And if you look at 2000 when suddenly everyone decided that by default (unless the Supreme Court "steals the election") it's ultra important for all ballots to be hand counted ANYWAY, *in addition to* the machine tallies, and you start to realize, what the hell is the point of the initial machine tallies? And what about cost, you're telling me Diebold isn't thrilled to have this contract? How on earth could it be a cost savings over papers n pencils?
The only real advantage seems to be a savings in time, since all other things being equal computers can count faster than humans. But 1. that time savings is partially eaten away by all the extra procedures and 2. so what? we can't wait a day or two to learn the outcome?
To: irv
Was it the CEO of Diebold that sent a letter to President Bush promising to deliver Ohio to the GOP?
To: irv
bump
18 posted on
03/04/2004 5:41:29 PM PST by
Salman
(Mickey Akbar)
To: irv
Oops, mea culpa -- Ruben is not Rivest.
Coffee deficiency, operator halted.
26 posted on
03/04/2004 6:29:07 PM PST by
Don Joe
(We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
To: irv
An interesting article.
To: irv
In the code we examined, that phone call is not protected correctly with cryptography. Perhaps that has been fixed. No, really? You mean you really wouldn't think they would try to fix any bugs??? Noooooo...
I was glad to see that the administrator PIN actually used in the election was not the 1111 that we used in our training, and that we had seen in the code.
No sh$% sherlock. When in training, the PIN can be anything you want. Geez, when we are developing we give everyone full access, but does everyone have full access in production???
And this guy is a computer science pro!!! The guys a lacky who knows nothing about the real world and only lives in his philosophical utopia.
31 posted on
03/04/2004 6:55:52 PM PST by
RedWing9
(No tag here... Just want to stay vague...)
To: irv
I have written 'None of the Above' in the write-in section of my ballot since I realized, about a decade ago, that voting is both irrational and immoral (flame suit on). I am worried about not being able to write in candidates, or no candidate at all, if The Old Dominion moves toward electronic ballots.
To: irv
I have written 'None of the Above' in the write-in section of my ballot since I realized, about a decade ago, that voting is both irrational and immoral (flame suit on). I am worried about not being able to write in candidates, or no candidate at all, if The Old Dominion moves toward electronic ballots.
To: irv
"It's not who votes, but who counts the votes" Lenin (and Daley)
43 posted on
03/05/2004 10:29:53 AM PST by
Dead Dog
To: Explorer89
I continue to believe that the Diebold voting machines represent a huge threat to our democracy. I fundamentally believe that we have thrown our trust in the outcome of our elections in the hands of a handful of companies (Diebold, Sequoia, ES&S) who are in a position to control the final outcomes of our elections. I also believe that the outcomes can be changed without any knowledge by election judges or anyone else. Furthermore, meaningful recounts are impossible with these machines. Bump.
47 posted on
03/05/2004 11:14:55 AM PST by
MrConfettiMan
(Worry is only anxiety over something that may never happen. So why bother?)
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