Roll call - Who voted what on all the gun lawsuit ban votes, possibly AW ban later

thomas ^ | 2-25-04 | US SENATE

[Dan from Michigan]

The first vote is to end the fillibuster. I'll post the other votes on this thread when they happen and when Thomas prints them. On this first vote, a YEA vote ends the fillibuster.

Everything should happen in the next 30 hours since cloture was invoked. However, right now - Drunken swimmer Ted Kennedy is going on a very long rant.

YEAs ---75
Alexander (R-TN) Allard (R-CO) Allen (R-VA)
Baucus (D-MT) Bayh (D-IN) Bennett (R-UT)
Biden (D-DE) Bingaman (D-NM) Bond (R-MO)
Breaux (D-LA) Brownback (R-KS) Bunning (R-KY)
Burns (R-MT) Byrd (D-WV) Campbell (R-CO)
Carper (D-DE) Chafee (R-RI) Chambliss (R-GA)
Cochran (R-MS) Coleman (R-MN) Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND) Cornyn (R-TX) Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID) Daschle (D-SD) Dayton (D-MN)
Dole (R-NC) Domenici (R-NM) Dorgan (D-ND)
Ensign (R-NV) Enzi (R-WY) Feingold (D-WI)
Fitzgerald (R-IL) Frist (R-TN) Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA) Gregg (R-NH) Hagel (R-NE)
Hatch (R-UT) Hutchison (R-TX) Inhofe (R-OK)
Jeffords (I-VT) Johnson (D-SD) Kohl (D-WI)
Kyl (R-AZ) Landrieu (D-LA) Leahy (D-VT)
Lieberman (D-CT) Lincoln (D-AR) Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN) McCain (R-AZ) McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK) Nelson (D-FL) Nelson (D-NE)
Nickles (R-OK) Pryor (D-AR) Reid (D-NV)
Roberts (R-KS) Rockefeller (D-WV) Santorum (R-PA)
Sessions (R-AL) Shelby (R-AL) Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME) Specter (R-PA) Stabenow (D-MI)
Stevens (R-AK) Sununu (R-NH) Talent (R-MO)
Thomas (R-WY) Voinovich (R-OH) Warner (R-VA)

NAYs ---22

Akaka (D-HI) Boxer (D-CA) Cantwell (D-WA)
Clinton (D-NY) Corzine (D-NJ) DeWine (R-OH)
Dodd (D-CT) Durbin (D-IL) Feinstein (D-CA)
Graham (D-FL) Harkin (D-IA) Hollings (D-SC)
Inouye (D-HI) Kennedy (D-MA) Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Levin (D-MI) Mikulski (D-MD) Murray (D-WA)
Reed (D-RI) Sarbanes (D-MD) Schumer (D-NY) Wyden (D-OR)

Not Voting - 3
Edwards (D-NC) Kerry (D-MA) Miller (D-GA

[Lazamataz]

80 million gun owners had the responsibility to see to it that it won't reach his desk. That was the challenge Bush said before the election. That's where the blame will be laid.

Damn those gun owners.

Bush is blameless again! Yaaaaaaaay TEAM!

[Dead Corpse]

In a sense aren't they saying, "If you don't fight for your freedoms every single day, then it is ok for government to take them away from you."

I never did understand that line of reasoning...

[looscnnn]

"Those smaller groups are irrelevant until they start producing results."

Really? I think that basil and PistolPaknMama really appreciate that sentiment. With that line of thinking, why bother having other groups? Why bother having more than one auto maker, motorcycle company, senator, representative, state, etc.? How do you know they are not producing results? Because they are not in the news, on the tv, spoken about in Congress by the dems? That can be a good thing, some people shut out others when they here they are affiliated with a certain group. Someone affiliated with the NRA could have a harder time with some people than someone that is affiliated with SAS or GOA, etc. They are not irrelevant just because they are not in the news, etc. They can be producing results in stealth. Your line of thinking would also mean that special forces are irrelevant because we don't hear about a majority of their missions. Sure you can say that they are different, but it's not.

[looscnnn]

Shooter posted- "80 million gun owners had the responsibility to see to it that it won't reach his desk. That was the challenge Bush said before the election. That's where the blame will be laid."

Dead posted- "In a sense aren't they saying, "If you don't fight for your freedoms every single day, then it is ok for government to take them away from you."
I never did understand that line of reasoning..."

I am posting- Never mind that it is Bush's, Congresses' & judges' jobs to defend the Constitution, it is us the citizens that have to do the work even while we have to work a paying job to pay taxes to pay the people who's job it is to defend our rights.

[looscnnn]

"Perhaps you can clue me in on when the NRA has taken a shot at another gun group - other than returning fire?"

Let me guess; you think the NRA is the same as the GOP, their word is gospel.

[Darnright]

Whoo Hoo!!! Our calls, letters, and faxes are being heard!!! From an email I got this morning, from the Virginia gun rights list:

[Allen's aides are saying he is listening to constituent input
on the AWB ban and is considering their input right now. THAT IS A
STEP IN OUR DIRECTION! He was saying he was FOR it before. Now he
is suddenly listening to constituents for direction. YOU ARE
CHANGING THE POLITICAL WINDS, GUYS!

Senator Warner's aides sounded exhausted from what I am hearing.

The President late yesterday put out a press release asking the
Senate to not put ANY amendments on the Gun Manufacturers protection
bill! The President is clearly feeling that wind that is blowing and
he is finally realizing that we are serious when we say we will not
walk, but run, away from him next election if he signs an AWB!]

[Dead Corpse]

I am posting- Never mind that it is Bush's, Congresses' & judges' jobs to defend the Constitution, it is us the citizens that have to do the work even while we have to work a paying job to pay taxes to pay the people who's job it is to defend our rights.

Seems to be a contractual violation going on there. Is there another company we can contract with for this job? :-)

[looscnnn]

"Is there another company we can contract with for this job?"

We could outsource their jobs. I think we could do a better job than what they are doing. Boy that would really piss them off if the country ran better with non politicals running the show.

[Shooter 2.5]

If 80 million gun owners won't vote for their Rights instead of their pocketbooks like the union member, dem voting deer hunters seem to do, they don't deserve their Rights.
If 80 million gun owners voted for their Rights, we wouldn't have gun control.

The challenge was there before the 2000 election. Stop the Bill before it reaches his desk. I am not going to absolve the lazy gun owners for their lack of responsibility.

[Oberon]

If you don't fight for your freedoms every single day, then it is ok for government to take them away from you.

I think the Founders would have understood that as "If you don't fight for your freedoms every single day, then it is inevitable for government to take them away from you."

[Lazamataz]

Stop the Bill before it reaches his desk. I am not going to absolve the lazy gun owners for their lack of responsibility.

And if it gets there when clearly we have not been lazy.....?

[Nov3]

Let me guess; you think the NRA is the same as the GOP, their word is gospel.

No, but I give money and time to both. WTF do you do? Evidently, from your previous responses, you do nothing on the Gun Control end but run your mouth about how it is someone else's (Bush and judges)responsibility. I and others here give money and time, carrying the dead wieght of gunowners who do nothing but run their computer. Were you on the street during the 2000 election? Many here including me were.

Now why don't you get on the team and pull. All I see you doing is spreading a bunch of strife on this and other threads. That is being part of the problem not the solution.

[Shooter 2.5]

Try to find out for yourself like I have.
The next time someone says they will stay home on election day if Bush signs the Bill, ask them what they have done so it wouldn't reach his desk.

[Shooter 2.5]

Correct. I have asked continually for all the gun groups to work together. Apparently one gun group thinks they can get members from another group instead of motivating the gun owners who are sitting on the sidelines.
It would be in their best interest to publicize their results instead of commenting on the NRA.

[tpaine]

Lazamataz:
In a sense aren't they saying, "If you don't fight for your freedoms every single day, then it is ok for government to take them away from you."

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I never did understand that line of reasoning...
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In a sense it's the old "stop me before I sin again" ploy..

We all know these creeps we elect have no respect at all for our republic, -- and they know we know that -- but elect them anyway..
So this is their way of washing their hands of the guilt of their own dishonor.

It's all our fault.. We've got the crooked politicians we've paid for.

[tpaine]

And if it gets there when clearly we have not been lazy.....?
251 -Lazamataz-

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Try not to blame yourself, even though others have.

I will stay home on election day if Bush signs the Bill, and ask those who supported him why they imagined they have done anything to fight against gun control.

[blackie]

Wrong on both assumptions.

[Lazamataz]

Try not to blame yourself, even though others have.

It's crazy, isn't it, Tom? I swear, some of these people have Stockholm Syndrome. A politician could outlaw the Bill of Rights entirely, and we'd be to blame for it, in their eyes.

They'd fit right in to 1930's Russia.

[tpaine]

Check out this comment from Rockchucker, on the other thread:

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"It's not that the guns have to be sold with a lock...

It's that the guns MUST, by force of Federal Law, be locked when stored in a home.

If you don't, you pay $2,500 fine and loose your right to keep and bare arms.
You are also now totally liable for any incident that is commited with your gun, if you fail to lock it, such as a theif who stole your gun and shoots someone. If it can be proven that your gun was not stored properly, you are fined $2,500, you loose your 2nd Ammendment rights and you are liable for the injury, damage or death caused by the 3rd party's criminal act.
-522-

[tpaine]

Lazamataz wrote:


I swear, some of these people have Stockholm Syndrome. A politician could outlaw the Bill of Rights entirely, and we'd be to blame for it, in their eyes.
They'd fit right in to 1930's Russia.


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Many FReepers have bought the GOP's neo-socialist line to the point of near incoherance, imo. They seem to be incapable of doing much more than chanting the PC dogma of the week.