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1 posted on 02/24/2004 5:44:08 PM PST by kimoajax
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Paragraphs are your friends.
2 posted on 02/24/2004 5:49:11 PM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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All of us that are no longer here, all of us present, and all of us to come are responsible.
3 posted on 02/24/2004 5:49:55 PM PST by CindyDawg
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On the other hand, when going deeper, a different look at the Gospel story reveals that no one killed Jesus. The New Testament teaches that Jesus freely chose to undergo the passion and death in order that all humanity might be offered salvation from their sin. There are sufficient verses in the Scripture to affirm that no one took his life without his consent, since the Gospel instructs that He Himself is the omnipotent God.

This is so idiotic. And I suppose the soldier who throws himself on the live grenade was not killed by the enemy that threw it; it was actually an assisted suicide of sorts.

4 posted on 02/24/2004 5:51:34 PM PST by PackerBoy (Just my opinion ....)
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"Did the Jews Kill Jesus?"

No, the Jews didn't kill Jesus. Some Jews used the Romans to kill Jesus.
5 posted on 02/24/2004 5:52:04 PM PST by aruanan
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Well, you either believe the Bible or you deny the Bible. If you believe the Bible, then yes, the Jews "Killed" Jesus. Then again, if I recall my reading of the Bible, Jesus was not killed permanently, since he was alive three days later, so the Jews are off the hook.

Geez, my post sounds like a conversation between Cliff Claven and Coach.

6 posted on 02/24/2004 5:52:23 PM PST by yooper (If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there......)
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I, Petronski, am a sinner. I killed Jesus.
7 posted on 02/24/2004 5:52:46 PM PST by Petronski (John Kerry looks like . . . like . . . weakness.)
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“Did the Jews Kill Jesus?” (Feb 13, 2004)

The question has once again emerged due to Mel Gibson’s upcoming movie “The Passion of the Christ,” and it once again sends a chill to the Jewish blood coursing through my veins. It is a chill not easily warmed by discussions and articles like that of managing editor Jon Meacham’s in Newsweek magazine. Numerous discussions have emerged in hope to dissuade a speculated awakening of anti-Semitism as a result of viewing Mel Gibson’s “Passion.” To avoid such a reaction, most of these discussions do one of three things. They weight the culpability of Jesus’ death heavily on the side of the Romans, and particularly Pilate who represented the Roman government, they accuse Gibson of naively skewing history, or they charge Gibson with latent anti-Semitism attached to his Roman Catholic faith.

Only the politically incorrect would ask me the question when the subject of Gibson’s movie comes up, leaving me to ask unspoken questions in solitude: “Did my forefathers kill Jesus and is his blood on their children?”

When I go to interpret the Gospel story that Gibson used, I am immediately confronted with the issue of world view. Is the text written through the unenlightened hand of mere individuals or is the text written by individuals who were enlightened by God at the time of the writing? The question is immense, though rarely asked. Naturalists, the wysiwyg’s among us, dispel a supernatural association with the text, life, interpretation, or history. They by their ‘myth’ must come to a different conclusion than others who hold to the ‘myth’ of the supernatural. In order to get into the writer’s head, I will assume the writers were spiritually enlightened, since they say they are.

Did the Jews kill Jesus? Physically, the answer is no. The Roman soldiers crucified him and speared him to determine that he was indeed dead. Pilate, the Roman governor of the province, permitted it. However, if one gives further consideration to the causal complex behind the crucifixion, it is apparent that the majority of Jewish religious leaders, the Sanhedrin, incited and insisted upon the killing of Jesus. Without their provocation and persistence of the Jewish leadership Jesus would have not been killed; thus, in this sense, yes, the Jewish leaders of that time killed Jesus.

On the other hand, when going deeper, a different look at the Gospel story reveals that no one killed Jesus. The New Testament teaches that Jesus freely chose to undergo the passion and death in order that all humanity might be offered salvation from their sin. There are sufficient verses in the Scripture to affirm that no one took his life without his consent, since the Gospel instructs that He Himself is the omnipotent God. From this perspective, the Jewish leaders did not kill Jesus.

Another startling twist from a totally different perspective is that The New Testament teaches that each person bears the responsibility of killing Jesus. The reason is clear; he died for humanity’s sin. Thus, I am as responsible as Pilate, the soldiers, the Jewish people, the Evangelicals, the mainline Protestants, the Roman Catholics, the Mormons, the Muslims, the Hindus, the Buddhists, the agnostics, the atheists, etcetera, and even you. Yet, the story also teaches that Jesus pardoned all who asked for forgiveness. From this perspective, the Jewish people are no less guilty for the death of Christ than the rest of humanity and they are no less forgiven for his death when pardon is asked.

I suppose that it is fair to ask me to cut to the chase and personally answer the question: “Do you believe that you bear the blood for killing Jesus Christ because of your Jewish lineage?” The answer is “No, I bear the blood for killing Jesus Christ because I am part of humanity and I am liberated from blood guilt because I have asked his forgiveness.” It is with this awareness that the chill in my veins turns toward warmth in my soul.

Jerome Wernow is pastor of Gracepoint Fellowship in Camas, and teaches at Western Seminary in Portland. He has his Ph.D. summa cum laude in Religious Studies from the Katholieke Universiteit Leuven, Belgium and is director of the Northwest Center for Bioethics in Portland.

9 posted on 02/24/2004 5:53:47 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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I learned a long time ago, Jesus
died for everyone.
23 posted on 02/24/2004 6:27:52 PM PST by Springman
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Anyone who can read a translation of the Christian Bible
in their own native language can discern what that Rabbi
from Galilee said on this very subject. Those who Hated the
Jews for no reason before MelGibsons movie will Hate them
tomorrow.Those who have read and understand the Bible did
NOT claim the Jews killed Jesus -and do not believe it now.
I have have not yet seen the movie but I will.And as an
aside Jesus fulfilled prophecy for the tomb was empty
and HE's Alive. It does not require a Jew to reject Judaism
but may require them to lay aside the animus raised under
Roman occupation.
25 posted on 02/24/2004 6:42:12 PM PST by StonyBurk
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The power of man to destroy the human body of Jesus was granted to man by God. If God had not permitted the death of His only Son, no man would ever have had the power to do it. Jesus said to them who condemned Him that they would have no power over His fate if His Father had not given it to them.
26 posted on 02/24/2004 6:51:38 PM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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"Did the Jews Kill Jesus?"

No

27 posted on 02/24/2004 7:19:46 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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Did the Jews kill Jesus?

I think watching the movie will clear that up.

The answer is yes and no.

Yes, they were afraid of the out of control Rabbi, and they rid themselves of him for the sake of their own fears.

No, the Jews of today are not to be held responsible for those fears.

They have gotten used to us Christians by now.

30 posted on 02/24/2004 7:38:11 PM PST by Cold Heat (In politics stupidity is not a handicap. --Napoleon Bonapart)
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INTREP - THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST - Hit
33 posted on 02/24/2004 7:57:58 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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JESUS DIED FOR ALL MANKIND
35 posted on 02/24/2004 8:15:10 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Bush Bot by choice)
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"Did the Jews Kill Jesus?"

Did the Blacks kill Malcolm X?

This is all so BORING!!!

44 posted on 02/25/2004 6:57:19 PM PST by montag813
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Jesus suffered and died for the sins of all mankind and all who believe in him shall have eternal life! Christ understood that only this act of love would be sufficient. He said, "forgive them, they know not what they do." He never focused on guilt because he realized that all are sinners, therefore all are guilty, His blood redeemed that guilt for all who believe. His death ensured the eternal salvation of mankind, which individual or group brought about the immediate cause of the Crucifixion has never been relevant. All who believe are saved through His Resurrection.

The left, however, either cannot or will not accept what Christianity truly means to us. So to detract attention from Christ's Message, the liberals try to portray Christianity as a group of ignorant, anti-Semetic fools. And it is for them that we must also pray.
46 posted on 02/25/2004 7:15:05 PM PST by wagglebee
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