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"Did the Jews Kill Jesus?"
http://www.gracepointfellowship.org/ ^ | Feb 13 2004 | Jerome Wernow

Posted on 02/24/2004 5:44:08 PM PST by kimoajax

"Did the Jews Kill Jesus?" (Feb 13, 2004) The question has once again emerged due to Mel Gibson’s upcoming movie "The Passion of the Christ," and it once again sends a chill to the Jewish blood coursing through my veins. It is a chill not easily warmed by discussions and articles like that of managing editor Jon Meacham’s in Newsweek magazine. Numerous discussions have emerged in hope to dissuade a speculated awakening of anti-Semitism as a result of viewing Mel Gibson’s "Passion." To avoid such a reaction, most of these discussions do one of three things. They weight the culpability of Jesus’ death heavily on the side of the Romans, and particularly Pilate who represented the Roman government, they accuse Gibson of naively skewing history, or they charge Gibson with latent anti-Semitism attached to his Roman Catholic faith. Only the politically incorrect would ask me the question when the subject of Gibson’s movie comes up, leaving me to ask unspoken questions in solitude: "Did my forefathers kill Jesus and is his blood on their children?" When I go to interpret the Gospel story that Gibson used, I am immediately confronted with the issue of world view. Is the text written through the unenlightened hand of mere individuals or is the text written by individuals who were enlightened by God at the time of the writing? The question is immense, though rarely asked. Naturalists, the wysiwyg’s among us, dispel a supernatural association with the text, life, interpretation, or history. They by their ‘myth’ must come to a different conclusion than others who hold to the ‘myth’ of the supernatural. In order to get into the writer’s head, I will assume the writers were spiritually enlightened, since they say they are. Did the Jews kill Jesus? Physically, the answer is no. The Roman soldiers crucified him and speared him to determine that he was indeed dead. Pilate, the Roman governor of the province, permitted it. However, if one gives further consideration to the causal complex behind the crucifixion, it is apparent that the majority of Jewish religious leaders, the Sanhedrin, incited and insisted upon the killing of Jesus. Without their provocation and persistence of the Jewish leadership Jesus would have not been killed; thus, in this sense, yes, the Jewish leaders of that time killed Jesus. On the other hand, when going deeper, a different look at the Gospel story reveals that no one killed Jesus. The New Testament teaches that Jesus freely chose to undergo the passion and death in order that all humanity might be offered salvation from their sin. There are sufficient verses in the Scripture to affirm that no one took his life without his consent, since the Gospel instructs that He Himself is the omnipotent God. From this perspective, the Jewish leaders did not kill Jesus. Another startling twist from a totally different perspective is that The New Testament teaches that each person bears the responsibility of killing Jesus. The reason is clear; he died for humanity’s sin. Thus, I am as responsible as Pilate, the soldiers, the Jewish people, the Evangelicals, the mainline Protestants, the Roman Catholics, the Mormons, the Muslims, the Hindus, the Buddhists, the agnostics, the atheists, etcetera, and even you. Yet, the story also teaches that Jesus pardoned all who asked for forgiveness. From this perspective, the Jewish people are no less guilty for the death of Christ than the rest of humanity and they are no less forgiven for his death when pardon is asked. I suppose that it is fair to ask me to cut to the chase and personally answer the question: "Do you believe that you bear the blood for killing Jesus Christ because of your Jewish lineage?" The answer is "No, I bear the blood for killing Jesus Christ because I am part of humanity and I am liberated from blood guilt because I have asked his forgiveness." It is with this awareness that the chill in my veins turns toward warmth in my soul. Jerome Wernow is pastor of Gracepoint Fellowship in Camas, and teaches at Western Seminary in Portland. He has his Ph.D. summa cum laude in Religious Studies from the Katholieke Universiteit Leuven, Belgium and is director of the Northwest Center for Bioethics in Portland.


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1 posted on 02/24/2004 5:44:08 PM PST by kimoajax
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To: kimoajax
Paragraphs are your friends.
2 posted on 02/24/2004 5:49:11 PM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: kimoajax
All of us that are no longer here, all of us present, and all of us to come are responsible.
3 posted on 02/24/2004 5:49:55 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: kimoajax
On the other hand, when going deeper, a different look at the Gospel story reveals that no one killed Jesus. The New Testament teaches that Jesus freely chose to undergo the passion and death in order that all humanity might be offered salvation from their sin. There are sufficient verses in the Scripture to affirm that no one took his life without his consent, since the Gospel instructs that He Himself is the omnipotent God.

This is so idiotic. And I suppose the soldier who throws himself on the live grenade was not killed by the enemy that threw it; it was actually an assisted suicide of sorts.

4 posted on 02/24/2004 5:51:34 PM PST by PackerBoy (Just my opinion ....)
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To: kimoajax
"Did the Jews Kill Jesus?"

No, the Jews didn't kill Jesus. Some Jews used the Romans to kill Jesus.
5 posted on 02/24/2004 5:52:04 PM PST by aruanan
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To: kimoajax
Well, you either believe the Bible or you deny the Bible. If you believe the Bible, then yes, the Jews "Killed" Jesus. Then again, if I recall my reading of the Bible, Jesus was not killed permanently, since he was alive three days later, so the Jews are off the hook.

Geez, my post sounds like a conversation between Cliff Claven and Coach.

6 posted on 02/24/2004 5:52:23 PM PST by yooper (If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there......)
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To: kimoajax
I, Petronski, am a sinner. I killed Jesus.
7 posted on 02/24/2004 5:52:46 PM PST by Petronski (John Kerry looks like . . . like . . . weakness.)
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To: Petronski
No. I killed Jesus.
8 posted on 02/24/2004 5:53:40 PM PST by small voice in the wilderness (1)
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To: kimoajax
“Did the Jews Kill Jesus?” (Feb 13, 2004)

The question has once again emerged due to Mel Gibson’s upcoming movie “The Passion of the Christ,” and it once again sends a chill to the Jewish blood coursing through my veins. It is a chill not easily warmed by discussions and articles like that of managing editor Jon Meacham’s in Newsweek magazine. Numerous discussions have emerged in hope to dissuade a speculated awakening of anti-Semitism as a result of viewing Mel Gibson’s “Passion.” To avoid such a reaction, most of these discussions do one of three things. They weight the culpability of Jesus’ death heavily on the side of the Romans, and particularly Pilate who represented the Roman government, they accuse Gibson of naively skewing history, or they charge Gibson with latent anti-Semitism attached to his Roman Catholic faith.

Only the politically incorrect would ask me the question when the subject of Gibson’s movie comes up, leaving me to ask unspoken questions in solitude: “Did my forefathers kill Jesus and is his blood on their children?”

When I go to interpret the Gospel story that Gibson used, I am immediately confronted with the issue of world view. Is the text written through the unenlightened hand of mere individuals or is the text written by individuals who were enlightened by God at the time of the writing? The question is immense, though rarely asked. Naturalists, the wysiwyg’s among us, dispel a supernatural association with the text, life, interpretation, or history. They by their ‘myth’ must come to a different conclusion than others who hold to the ‘myth’ of the supernatural. In order to get into the writer’s head, I will assume the writers were spiritually enlightened, since they say they are.

Did the Jews kill Jesus? Physically, the answer is no. The Roman soldiers crucified him and speared him to determine that he was indeed dead. Pilate, the Roman governor of the province, permitted it. However, if one gives further consideration to the causal complex behind the crucifixion, it is apparent that the majority of Jewish religious leaders, the Sanhedrin, incited and insisted upon the killing of Jesus. Without their provocation and persistence of the Jewish leadership Jesus would have not been killed; thus, in this sense, yes, the Jewish leaders of that time killed Jesus.

On the other hand, when going deeper, a different look at the Gospel story reveals that no one killed Jesus. The New Testament teaches that Jesus freely chose to undergo the passion and death in order that all humanity might be offered salvation from their sin. There are sufficient verses in the Scripture to affirm that no one took his life without his consent, since the Gospel instructs that He Himself is the omnipotent God. From this perspective, the Jewish leaders did not kill Jesus.

Another startling twist from a totally different perspective is that The New Testament teaches that each person bears the responsibility of killing Jesus. The reason is clear; he died for humanity’s sin. Thus, I am as responsible as Pilate, the soldiers, the Jewish people, the Evangelicals, the mainline Protestants, the Roman Catholics, the Mormons, the Muslims, the Hindus, the Buddhists, the agnostics, the atheists, etcetera, and even you. Yet, the story also teaches that Jesus pardoned all who asked for forgiveness. From this perspective, the Jewish people are no less guilty for the death of Christ than the rest of humanity and they are no less forgiven for his death when pardon is asked.

I suppose that it is fair to ask me to cut to the chase and personally answer the question: “Do you believe that you bear the blood for killing Jesus Christ because of your Jewish lineage?” The answer is “No, I bear the blood for killing Jesus Christ because I am part of humanity and I am liberated from blood guilt because I have asked his forgiveness.” It is with this awareness that the chill in my veins turns toward warmth in my soul.

Jerome Wernow is pastor of Gracepoint Fellowship in Camas, and teaches at Western Seminary in Portland. He has his Ph.D. summa cum laude in Religious Studies from the Katholieke Universiteit Leuven, Belgium and is director of the Northwest Center for Bioethics in Portland.

9 posted on 02/24/2004 5:53:47 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: small voice in the wilderness
No, Petronski killed him. I saw him.
10 posted on 02/24/2004 5:54:42 PM PST by PackerBoy (Just my opinion ....)
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To: small voice in the wilderness; Petronski
You are both wrong. No one killed him. He gave his life. My sin killed me, he saved me.
11 posted on 02/24/2004 5:55:00 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: farmfriend
Thanks
12 posted on 02/24/2004 5:55:45 PM PST by kimoajax
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To: PackerBoy
You are BAD PackerBoy! That really is funny!
13 posted on 02/24/2004 5:56:01 PM PST by small voice in the wilderness (1)
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To: PackerBoy
No, Petronski killed him. I saw him.

LOL

14 posted on 02/24/2004 5:56:36 PM PST by Petronski (John Kerry looks like . . . like . . . weakness.)
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To: farmfriend
He took my sin that guaranteed my death upon Himself so I might live. He gave His life willingly.

Have you seen the film yet? I hope to this weekend.

15 posted on 02/24/2004 5:59:35 PM PST by small voice in the wilderness (1)
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To: aruanan
So you're blaming the gun? What if the Romans weren't there, but guns were. If SOME Jews used GUNS to kill Jesus, it's then the guns fault?

But I digress from my original point that nobody killed Jesus. And I also recognize your point that the Roman's bear some culpability in what happened. But they've atoned for it by establishing Vatican City and turning their attention to other younger victims. The Jews haven't shown the same effort. They continue to embrace their own religion and allow their religious leaders to marry;)

16 posted on 02/24/2004 6:00:06 PM PST by yooper (If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there......)
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To: Petronski
I do not mean to make light of this serious subject. I just thought the author made an idiotic comment, and I said so.

The Jews represent us all -- if we were there, we probably would have cheered for Jesus' torture and death.

I am told that Mel Gibson's movie makes YOU feel culpable for his suffering and death. If that is true, this movie might be the most spiritually powerful movie ever.

17 posted on 02/24/2004 6:00:44 PM PST by PackerBoy (Just my opinion ....)
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To: farmfriend
Matthew 27

[24] When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.

[25] Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

18 posted on 02/24/2004 6:01:34 PM PST by ellen_rometsch (The Kingdom is not of this earth.)
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To: PackerBoy
No, I understand your comments. No prob. And yes, LOL.
19 posted on 02/24/2004 6:02:30 PM PST by Petronski (John Kerry looks like . . . like . . . weakness.)
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To: CindyDawg
"All of us that are no longer here, all of us present, and all of us to come are responsible."

Amen....I agree, 100%.

And thank you Lord....for the sacrifice of your son for all of US!

I cannot even imagine that type of pain....or LOVE...that would give a son..for us.

20 posted on 02/24/2004 6:09:50 PM PST by justshe (Do you trust a Democrat to protect America?)
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