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Can you be too patriotic?
wect.com North Carolina ^

Posted on 02/20/2004 7:54:15 AM PST by chance33_98

Can you be too patriotic?

Kure Beach resident Jerry Wolf considers the United States flag, and the pole in his front yard he flies it from, two of his most prized posessions.

Two months ago, he built the pole in his own front yard with his own two hands. He lights it every night, and teaches his daughter what it stands for.

But Wolf, an Air Force veteran, must choose between his flag and some of his neighbors, who are ordering him to ground Old Glory for good.

"I don't want to live in a neighborhood where people are so unpatriotic they'd make me take this down." Wolf says.

The problem is, Wolf lives in a private, quiet subdivision at Kure Beach known as Kure Dunes, which is run by a neighborhood association that has strict rules about building on property. The board says that does not include flags, but it does include flagpoles.

On Wednesday they sent Wolf a letter telling him he has 30 days to dig up the pole he proudly built himself, or, according to Wolf, he could be sued.

"I won't defy a judges order, but I'm going to fight to keep this up," Wolf says defiantly.

Neighborhood board members say they want a peaceful community, where additions to homes and yards won't devalue nearby property.

But Wolf isn't the only with a bone to pick with these kinds of rules. State lawmakers are considering a bill that would block any ordinance or rule preventing residents from flying flags.

In Wolf's neighborhood, the board is willing to buy the flag and flagpole, and put it up at the clubhouse, an offer Wolf doesn't think too highly of. "If they want to buy my pole, they'll have to buy my house too. The whole nine yards," a promise from the former vet, a man who carefully folds his flag, but one who will never fold in his fight to fly it.

While the neighborhood associated refuses to comment on this issue, they have invited Wolf to a meeting where he can appeal their decision, though he says he's not holding his breath.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: beach; hearne; hoa; homeownerassociation; kure; kurebeach; kuredunes; kuredunescom; kuredunesresident; kuredunesresidents; propertyrights

1 posted on 02/20/2004 7:54:15 AM PST by chance33_98
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To: chance33_98
Well, hell yes. I am. So what? Guilty as charged!
2 posted on 02/20/2004 7:56:03 AM PST by RetiredArmy (We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American Way! Toby Keith)
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To: chance33_98
That's why I will never live in a neighborhood run by an HOA. My flagpole is my business.

3 posted on 02/20/2004 7:57:49 AM PST by Britton J Wingfield
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To: RetiredArmy
Wow, that's pretty extreme. I might understand asking him to turn off the light, but not take it down altogether.
4 posted on 02/20/2004 8:03:33 AM PST by NorthOf45
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To: chance33_98
State lawmakers are considering a bill that would block any ordinance or rule preventing residents from flying flags.

Um, yes. Anyway, the association has already said they don’t object to his flag. For some reason they object to his flag pole. And like it or not, it’s not uncommon to have just those types of restrictions.

But go ahead. You let him have his flagpole in his front yard, you better get prepared for the 120 foot ham tower I erect in my backyard. I’ll even hang a flag from it so everybody’s happy. - which, of course, is just the type of thing they're trying to avoid by having CC&Rs in the first place.

5 posted on 02/20/2004 8:03:42 AM PST by Who dat?
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To: chance33_98
In a word, NO!
6 posted on 02/20/2004 8:03:45 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (I'm not stupid. I just act that way.)
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To: Britton J Wingfield
That's why I will never live in a neighborhood run by an HOA.

That's the answer, right there. If you've just got to have a big McMansion in Yuppieville, you'd best be prepared to abide by Yuppieville's rules.

7 posted on 02/20/2004 8:08:28 AM PST by Agnes Heep
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To: Agnes Heep
I particularly like when they move into a subdivision built by a hog farm and then order the hog farm closed down because it "smells". Yuppies, that is. HOA are pretty dumb, too.
8 posted on 02/20/2004 8:17:29 AM PST by Schattie (-censored-)
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To: chance33_98
Ya know what, thats what freedom is all about. Responsibilities. He had the freedom to move into an area where the HOA had certain rules, so he has the responsibility to abide by them. I live in a similar neighborhood, and sometimes it can be quite annoying, but hey, it was my choice to live there...
9 posted on 02/20/2004 8:20:23 AM PST by Paradox (Cogito ergo moon.)
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To: chance33_98
Simply, home owners associations suck. I would not live in a community that had one. No one tells me what to do with my property or land that I own and pay stinking taxes on. If my neighbor doesn't like my flag, look the other direction socialist!
10 posted on 02/20/2004 8:30:44 AM PST by RetiredArmy (We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American Way! Toby Keith)
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To: chance33_98
"The board says that does not include flags, but it does include flagpoles."

The Weasly slimeballs are using that lame excuse in hopes of avoiding an unpatriotic label being pinned on them - but they're too late. Lowlife invertigrates, Mr Wolf should give them the option of either he paint Old Glory that covers the entire front of his house or he keeps the flagpole. Some groups with a little bit of authority get just a little too big for their britches....

11 posted on 02/20/2004 8:36:16 AM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: chance33_98
The moral of the story is never to move into a neighborhood with an HOA. HOAs are the favorite tool of those who don't know how to mind their own business. Flying the flag is something of a First Amendment issue, and I would support a state law that protected flying the flag on First Amendment grounds. I also support state laws that limit the power of HOAs.

Well, four and a half
Bill

12 posted on 02/20/2004 8:51:10 AM PST by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: chance33_98
No, the question is not "Can you be too patriotic?" but "Can neighborhood associations be too petty?"
13 posted on 02/20/2004 8:36:51 PM PST by NYCVirago
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To: chance33_98
Pretty soon, given cities like mine are pushing for the development of neighborhood associations where none existed, no one in America will be able to say they don't live in a home not controlled by a neighborhood association.
14 posted on 02/20/2004 9:31:57 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: MissAmericanPie

I believe we have pics of the flag in question posted on.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KureDunesResidents/

This is an unsanctioned group started primarily to voice our opinions concerning the abuse by this HOA in question and keep this board in check.

The HOA is now starting their own web site kuredunes.com

Kure Beach North Carolina


15 posted on 05/26/2005 2:58:26 PM PDT by Kure_hodad (kuredunes.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KureDunesResidents/)
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