Rush has finally focused on the Kosovo problem

Andy from Beaverton | 02/17/04 | Andy from Beaverton

[Andy from Beaverton]

Finally!!! Rush has finally focused on the problems with and in Kosovo. For some of us, we have been screeming about this since April of 1999. Before you decide to jump all over me for any Rush comments, he has almost never spoke about the aftermath in Kosovo. Sure at times he has spoken poorly about the Kosovo operation, but I can't ever recall him saying that we had choosen the wrong side. The question is going to be if he actually goes more in depth or if this is going to be it???

[joan]

They've given the world many great scientists, inventors, athletes, and more.

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

Your use of the word Nazi betrays your bias. >>

My use of the word Nazi illustrates my objective and absolutely honest and true assessment of the situation.

National Socialism is a political movement which:

1) Eschews democracy

2) Calls for state control of media and the economy

3) Identifies all and sundry primarily through the lense of racial or demographic attributes

4) Assigns one group as "uebermenschen" ('a master race')

5) Assigns another group the role of "untermenschen" ('subhumans')

6) Practices genocide.

The Serb Nazis of Bosnia (and of much, but not all, of Serbia proper) fulfilled all six of these requirements. The Serb Nationalist movement hated democracy; they wanted voters, but only voters who were Serbs. (The ethnic cleansing program can be looked upon as congressional-redistricting-the-old-fashioned-way, i.e., at gunpoint). The whole point of the race war was antidemocratic: it was designed to distract the people of Serbia and other parts of the Yugoslavian federation not on immediate verge of total independence (i.e., outside of Slovenia and Croatia) on nationalist fanaticism so as to keep the voters from concentrating on throwing the commies-nazis out on their butts. They prevented any democratic elections for ten years, fulfilling condition 1.

Having succeeded at that, the Milosevici maintained total control over the media, the economy, and major industry. This fulfilled condition 2.

They identified EVERYONE ethnically and racially, as Serb and not-Serb, and saw the whole universe through the lenses of national identity. This fulfilled condition 3.

They assigned to Serbs the role of uebermenschen, and gave them a claim on every town and city where any Serb anywhere had lived. Thus condition 4.

They assigned the role of 'subhumans' to the Bosnian Muslims. They practiced ethnic cleansing, rape, and mass mayhem against them with impugnity, declaring them non-humans beneath the law (and butressed by such pseudo-scholarship as Biljana Plavsic's whose PhD thesis was on the genetic 'inferiority' of Bosnian Muslims). This fulfilled condition 5.

And finally, they practiced mass extermination against the Bosnian Muslims, particularly those prisoners they captured at Srebrenica, in an act calculated to extirpate any possibility of the return of the Muslims to the region after the war, by killing all the males and chasing all the females out to Tuzla. This fulfilled condition 6.

Six for Six. Seig heil, Slobodan Milosevic.

Oh, one more thing. Nazis aren't much for irony. Neither are Bosnian Serbs Nazis of the "SDS", "SRS", etc, who adopted as their national anthem a song which translates as "God Give Us Justice."

God help them if He ever does.

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

They've given the world many great scientists, inventors, athletes, and more.>>

This may be true. It is also irrelevant.

[ValerieUSA]

It was relevant to the challenge: Name me one good thing that has come from there.

Your arrogance is beyond tiresome. You back up nothing.

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

Where is the media outrage?>>>

Well, guess what. There are a lot of buildings in Baghdad we blew up too.

Genocidal governments bring the wrath of God and the US Air Force on their heads. I like to think of it as "God giving them justice."

[ml/nj]

I think you had two sides "eschewing democracy." (And are you one of those folks who believes in democracy uber alles?)

I guess you didn't bother to read the NY Times article. Nor did you answer my questions. I won't bother wasting my time with you any further.

ML/NJ

[Stew Padasso]

Why choose sides at all? Let the Eurotrash deal with it.

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

Name me one good thing that has come from there. >>>

Rakia. Domasnaja musika. The Bosnian Muslim communities of Detroit and St. Louis, who are decent, hardworking, and love to party.

Frankly, as far as I know, the only thing that Serbs in Bosnia managed to export was World War One.

[Stew Padasso]

He had better be careful. Dole and a bunch of other Pubs were all for the bombings in Kosovo.

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

Why choose sides at all? Let the Eurotrash deal with it.>>

Yours is the first intelligent question I have seen asked on this whole thread.

The answer is simple: they *can't.* The Eurotrash are incapable of wiping their own behinds if the US isn't there to hand them a roll of Charmin. They had three years to stop genocide in their front yard. They didn't. We did, in less than two months of air raids and with a brigade-minus of babysitters.

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

Your surrender is accepted, and your absence will not be noted.

[Stew Padasso]

And we have a whole ocean to separate us from these pantywastes. It is their problem now.

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

It is their problem now.>>>

Nope. Once you adopt a cat, it always has kittens. In this case, the kitten is the monstrosity of a statelet called the Republika Srpska, which will resume the war five minutes after the US leaves. The whole point of our being there is to knock heads together, keep as many actual war criminals as possible from political office, and wait for them to die off so the next generation can make Bosnia a working entity. It'll take a while, but we'll be there the whole time.

The Serbs ARE correct in one thing: Al Qaida would *love* to use a collapsed Bosnia as a recruiting station. So long as Bosnia remains a viable government, that won't happen.

[Stew Padasso]

Anyone who supported it, funded it or signed off on it can now go clean it up.

[Captiva]

Thanks Joan,
I'm sure the area has produced some good. I have to do a little more research than just posting what I've heard.

It just seems like all that I see from there is hate & tribal warfare stuff. Like everybody has been pissed off at each other for a thousand years because they live next door to each other.

Just helps me realize that America isn't perfect but it's better than 99% of the rest of the world.

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

I don't know what your position is or was, but I would guess that someone "showed you" Srebrenica and they told you what happened there. You did not discover it yourself. It could just be that whoever did the "show and tell," also did some preparation before you showed up. After all, many come back from Cuba praising the glories there, while the locals continue to try to float away in garbage cans.>>

WRONG ANSWER, jack. I was there for several years, working directly with the international community, the UNMIBH, OSCE, et al., as part of the Multinational Division (North) command of SFOR. Cleaning up after Srebrenica's massacre was part of my major job. I spent several months coordinating the burial of the dead at the new Srebrenica Cemetery in the former cornfield across the road from the Battery Factory. I was right there in the middle of it. I had to rub my bloody nose in the corpses left behind by Serb Nazism, and I did not enjoy it or having to deal with its aftermath.

I was there. Front and center.

YOU on the other hand were probably safely in Chicago or Newark or somewhere getting your information on what was going on from some Serb-language newspaper handed out for free at your local church. I'm happy to bet the rent.

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

Just helps me realize that America isn't perfect but it's better than 99% of the rest of the world.>>

You're damned right about that.

[eleni121]

Of course Turkey is a muslim country since they butchered millions of Christians in order to "purify" it.

Turkey fought against the allies in WWI and stayed out of WWII but really helped the axis.

Turks were on the side of the US post 1945 only because of the big bad Soviets in the north.

[eleni121]

NOt really---Turkey is a nominally "secular" country.

How convenient to call itself secular when 99.9% of the population is muslim.

You should be aware that Turkey is among the most corrupt and violent nations that has ever existed. The US has certainly cozied up to some despicable characters in the cold war but turkey is the worst.

Hopefully we are rethinking this relationship.

[wonders]

Actually, Captiva, it's a beautiful land and all of the people (Croat, Bosnian Muslim, and Serb in alpha order) are the most hospitible you'll ever meet. Yes, there are hatreds. Deep hatreds. They actually mostly date to WWII and the 90s Balkan wars, not the "thousands of years" you hear about. And, other than some pockets of what we would call "rednecks" (we've got those, too), it's quite civilized!