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Jack Kelly: Honorable service
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ^ | Feb. 15, 2004 | Jack Kelly

Posted on 02/15/2004 7:10:39 AM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:35:33 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Democrats -- through overreach, overkill, and character assassination, are in the process of converting what should be a political ace into a joker.

As a swift boat commander in Vietnam, Lt. j.g. John F. Kerry behaved admirably and heroically. He was awarded the Bronze Star and the Silver Star, and received three Purple Hearts for wounds sustained in combat.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; awol; bush; honorableservice; jackkelly; kerry; militaryrecord; militaryservice; overplayedhand
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1 posted on 02/15/2004 7:10:39 AM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: MJY1288; xzins; Calpernia; TEXOKIE; Alamo-Girl; windchime; Grampa Dave; anniegetyourgun; ...
(Leaving the praise of Kerry aside...)

...the AWOL myth stems from some bad reporting by The Boston Globe. But even the Globe acknowledged that "in the 22-month period between the end of his flight training and his move to Alabama, Bush logged numerous hours of duty, well above the minimum requirements for so-called 'weekend warriors.' "

The truth about the AWOL myth has been known for nearly four years. That some Democrats -- knowing it is a lie -- are resurrecting it says more about their lack of character than it does about Bush's service.

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Character counts ~ in America's President especially ~ ping!

2 posted on 02/15/2004 7:13:00 AM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl ("(We)..come to rout out tyranny from its nest. Confusion to the enemy." - B. Taylor, US Marine, 2/28)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Deborah Orin has more on this in the NY Post.

The General Turnipseed who originated the charge has backed completely away from the story. The preponderance of evidence is now ridiculously in Bush's favor.

3 posted on 02/15/2004 7:14:48 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Here's a link to another Jack Kelly article entitled: "Kerry's Vietnam Service Now Fair Game."

Clink Here

It's definitely worth a read.

4 posted on 02/15/2004 7:22:23 AM PST by mass55th
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To: VadeRetro
Yes, but selective reporting is now derigueur in American Journalism schools.
5 posted on 02/15/2004 7:26:11 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Earlier this morning I wasted the following as a "News Tip" to CNN.com:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/02/15/wus15.xml&sSheet=/portal/2004/02/15/ixportaltop.html

Story seems to be big in London. The Hindustani Times and the Australians seem to have it as well.

Can't tell you how funny this looks, seeing the Bush AWOL story slowly evaporate,

http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/17932.htm

while still no sign of what the rest of the world is allowed to know.

Is something going on here?


6 posted on 02/15/2004 7:28:36 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
My suggestion to the White House Press Secretary would be to ask all reporters that have not served in the military to please stand up. After the entire room has stood up ask the security detail to have them escorted off the White House grounds. Then he could carry on with the daily briefing. I'm sure the secret service detail and military attaches have some good questions they would like answered and they would be the only ones left in the room. Treat the bastards like they treat everyone else. When the networks starts howling about freedom of the press ask them to send qualified people to the White House, they may have a few maintenance people that served in the military that would be much better qualified than the current crop of geniuses and policy makers telling the world what is important and what is not.
7 posted on 02/15/2004 7:29:29 AM PST by Hondo1952
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Probably more than any sane human wants to read about here:

-John Kerry- some selected, informative links...--

-The Real Military Record of George W. Bush: Not Heroic, but Not AWOL, Either-The Original Story--

8 posted on 02/15/2004 7:29:34 AM PST by backhoe (The balance of Common Sense is tipping toward Non-sense...)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
There was a waiting list for the Air Guard, and it is probable that Bush wouldn't have gotten a slot if his father hadn't been a congressman at the time, though there is no evidence the elder Bush exerted any influence on behalf of his son.

The fact that many people were applying to be a pilot in the air guard means nothing. There are always far more applicants for pilot slots than there are slots.

I learned to fly in the 1970s. My instructor was a retired Air Force Colonel fighter jock. He was not only a fighter pilot but he was an ACE. He had 5 MIGS, 10,000 flight hours and 600 (wow) hours of combat flight. That is 600 hours of him shooting at them and them shooting at him. He had never gotten a scratch.

I was his first primary civilian student. He had taught many military pilots to be fighter pilots, but he had never taught a beginning student.

Early on I asked him how to recover from a stall. He said just move the controls so the plane recovers. He didn't bother to tell me which controls or how to move them. I decided to buy a book before I killed myself.

Just before he soloed me, I asked him how I was doing. His reply shocked me. He said I was doing better than he did when he learned to fly. He then showed me his log books. He had nearly flunked out. It took him over twice as many hours of flight practice to solo as it did me.

He said the two big characteristic a fighter pilot needs is leadership and being very cool under fire.

Pilots that serve their time, will undoubtedly be put in a position of leading other pilots. He said their lives will depend on you. YOu must have leadership abilities. Secondly a fighter pilot is under huge stress. If he breaks under stress he will get himself and others killed.

My instructor said that in time almost anyone can learn to work the controls of a plane in a coordinated way. But if the pilot lacks coolness under fire and lacks leadership ability no level of physical coordination is good enough for him or those who depend on him to survive.

We have seen George W. Bush under pressure. We know his leadership ability. I suspect that had there been 999 guys ahead of him in line and only one opening, George W. Bush would have been picked on merit and merit alone. Just as my Colonel buddy got picked in 1948. He like Bush scored high in self control and high in leadership. He scored low in flight skills. But the guy who picked my buddy picked a good one. He became an ACE. Only one pilot out of 1000 becomes an ACE.

Oh when I took my FAA pilots test... the FAA examiner was a former bomber pilot in the Air Force. After I passed the test, he said... you did well on the test, I found nothing for which I could take off points. But you need to learn to fly more smoothly. You fly like a damned fighter pilot. I thought... that figures... but I just replied, "Thank you for the advice, sir. I will try to learn to fly more smoothly."

9 posted on 02/15/2004 7:46:04 AM PST by Common Tator
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
. . . excellent article bump!
10 posted on 02/15/2004 7:49:51 AM PST by DrDeb
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To: Hondo1952
...suggestion to the White House Press Secretary..ask all reporters* that have not served in the military to please stand up. After the entire room has stood up ask the security detail to have them escorted off the White House grounds. Then he could carry on with the daily briefing.

Lol. I would love to see the press corps facing the families of our troops at daily briefings, one reporter at a time, required to answer questions from fathers and wives about why they continue to misreport and endanger our war efforts and our troops.

Alternative media would gladly cover this daily briefing.

I think it could grow to be a ratings winner.

*And mention 2 other Presidents: Jimmy Carter, Abraham Lincoln.

11 posted on 02/15/2004 7:50:58 AM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl ("(We)..come to rout out tyranny from its nest. Confusion to the enemy." - B. Taylor, US Marine, 2/28)
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To: Common Tator; ohioWfan; PhiKapMom; LisaFab; Jammz
I learned to fly in the 1970s. My instructor was a retired Air Force Colonel fighter jock. He was not only a fighter pilot but he was an ACE.

...Just before he soloed me, I asked him how I was doing. His reply shocked me. He said I was doing better than he did when he learned to fly. He then showed me his log books. He had nearly flunked out. It took him over twice as many hours of flight practice to solo as it did me.

....My instructor said that in time almost anyone can learn to work the controls of a plane in a coordinated way. But if the pilot lacks coolness under fire and lacks leadership ability no level of physical coordination is good enough for him or those who depend on him to survive.

We have seen George W. Bush under pressure. We know his leadership ability. I suspect that had there been 999 guys ahead of him in line and only one opening, George W. Bush would have been picked on merit and merit alone.

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Wonderful post, Common Tator. Thank you!

12 posted on 02/15/2004 7:59:19 AM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl ("(We)..come to rout out tyranny from its nest. Confusion to the enemy." - B. Taylor, US Marine, 2/28)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Bump!
13 posted on 02/15/2004 8:02:37 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
There was a waiting list for the Air Guard, and it is probable that Bush wouldn't have gotten a slot if his father hadn't been a congressman at the time, though there is no evidence the elder Bush exerted any influence on behalf of his son.

This is one of the myths that keeps repeating like pepperoni pizza when you are out of antacids. The waiting list was for non-pilot slots. Pilot training required both specific flight training qualification and commitment to nearly two years of active duty for training, nearly as much time as a draftee would have to serve WITHOUT the reserve service obligation. I am a little surprised - and more than a little disappointed - that this author failed to include that fact in his exposition.

The second myth is that his early release to attend college was some kind of special political favor to the son of a Congressman. In fact, this kind of early release of non-critical personnel to attend college was both routine and frequent. He was no longer in flight status, and the only plane he was trained on was being withdrawn from service. He would have needed several months - and millions of dollars - of retraining to return to flight status in a new fighter. Time and money better spent on a new recruit.

The author does address the third, and most egregious myth - that Lt. Bush failed to fulfill his mandatory service obligation. Failure to serve is a criminal act, and the accusation without evidence is slanderous. Those who condone this accusation without the courage to voice it themselves, as John Kerry has done, are moral cowards.

14 posted on 02/15/2004 8:08:36 AM PST by MainFrame65
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
I served in an Air National Guard unit, and I can tell you
first hand that they expected to be sent to Nam on short notice. Also, their equipment was often less than first class.
15 posted on 02/15/2004 8:22:52 AM PST by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
As a swift boat commander in Vietnam, Lt. j.g. John F. Kerry behaved admirably and heroically. He was awarded the Bronze Star and the Silver Star, and received three Purple Hearts for wounds sustained in combat.

WELL NOW, I don't know about that.
16 posted on 02/15/2004 8:33:56 AM PST by Valin (America is the land mine between barbarism and civilization.)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
The truth about the AWOL myth has been known for nearly four years. That some Democrats -- knowing it is a lie -- are resurrecting it says more about their lack of character than it does about Bush's service.

We all knew that Democrats have no character.

17 posted on 02/15/2004 8:39:42 AM PST by SAMWolf (Incontinence Hotline, please hold.)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Bush's qualifications as a fighter pilot...

It is called the RIGHT STUFF

They say about one person in a thousand has it.

Chuck Yeager, the man who broke the sound barrier, is the perfect example of the right stuff. The Right Stuff is described as always being under control .. never ever panic.... never, ever acting in haste and always making the best choice. That is the right stuff. It has little to do with flying skills. Bob Hoover was Yeagers compitetion for the sound barrier job. Yeager on his best day has never been able to fly better than Hoover on his worst day. Hoover can set an absolutely full glass of water on the dashboard of his plane. Then proceed to fly loops, spins, rolls and lots of other acrobatics and never spill a drop out of the glass. Hoover is unreal. Yet Yeager got the job... Hoover can flat out fly.. but Yeager has more the right stuff. By the way Hoover and yeager are great buddies. And Hoover only lacks enough Right Stuff when compared to Yeager.

They call losing it "screwing the pooch". Losing it means doing something dumb or giving in to panic. Bush has the right stuff. You will notice he does not panic under fire. He plays it very cool. At this point he is doing just enough to keep even in the game... watch for Kerry to screw the pooch before November.

The reason Bush did not take a flight physical is that they were not going to let him fly. His Unit was changing planes and missions and he has less than a year to go. It can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to train a fighter jock on a new plane. To train Bush and then have him leave the service at the end of his enlistment was just stupid. They say it takes six million dollars to train a fighter jock. What ever it costs to train a pilot on a new plane is not going to be spent on a short timer. There was just no way, not with tons of pilots coming home from Nam that had already been trained on the plane in question. So they let Bush Serve some of his time out. Then he chose to ask for an early release.

Did you know that Kerry only served 4 months in Viet Nam?

18 posted on 02/15/2004 8:48:25 AM PST by Common Tator
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To: VadeRetro; Hon
Do a FR search on "Turnipseed" and you'll likely find Freeper Hon's excellent articles on this man. He is not "backing away" as you say--he was always misreported. Not, of course, that the media would do such a thing.
19 posted on 02/15/2004 9:04:50 AM PST by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Great post--thanks for the ping.
20 posted on 02/15/2004 9:08:25 AM PST by LisaFab
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