Would Kerry Lie? Let's Build A Record Of His Whoppers

Compilation ^ | February 13, 2004

[Hon]

Given Kerry's recent comments, it seems that there should be one handy repository of Kerry mendacity for current and future reference.

So, if you can remember something that Kerry has said which appears to be less than the truth, please add to the archives. And please provide a link if you have one for the remark.

I'll kick off with these two doozies:

''For those of us who are fortunate to share an Irish ancestry, we take great pride in the contributions that Irish-Americans …"

—Senate floor statement by John Kerry, March 18, 1986, as quoted in Frank Phillips' and Brian C. Mooney's "1986 Statement Counters Kerry's Stand on Heritage," in the March 6 Boston Globe.

"As some of you may know, I am part-English and part-Irish. And when my Kerry ancestors first came over to Massachusetts from the old country to find work in the New World, it was my English ancestors who refused to hire them."

—Draft remarks prepared for Kerry in 1984, quoted by Phillips and Mooney in the March 6 Globe. Kerry was lieutenant governor of Massachusetts at the time.

[Hon]

For those who might not yet be aware, Kerry is not Irish at all. His grandfather changed his name from Kohn to Kerry when he came to this country from Czechoslovakia.

[Torie]

Everybody wants to be Irish. Heck, my Dad had a last name that sounded Irish, and sometimes he did not disabuse the Irish pugilists in Brooklyn way back when, when the Irish were less tame than they are now, of the misperception. But he voted against the lot of them from Tamany Hall (sp), each and every time, in elections, from the crooked Mayor Walker on down. The experience congealed his Pubbie orientation.

[TheWriterInTexas]

Dear Hon:

While I applaud your goals, I am not particularly concerned about Kerry's grandfather.

In 1990, I was crowed Miss Irish America of Nassau, Suffolk, and Queens, New York. Marched in several parades (including the big one in New York City) with a crown on my head, a sash across my chest, a wheat sweater on my back, and a kilt. Wore them all proudly.

My paternal grandparents were both Germans from Moorasmoor, going back several hundred years. My maternal grandmother was French, and my material grandfather was Irish.

With just 1/4 Irish blood in my veins, I was able to claim an Irish heritage (always had) and partake in the competition.

His English/Irish background can come in on his mother's side. Has this been examined?

I'm more concerned with his flip-flops on WMD in Iraq, his constant failure to support our troops with weapons and machines while still voting to send them into harm's way, and more important issues.

[Hon]

"Everybody wants to be Irish."

Especially when they are running for office in the suburbs around Boston.

A corollary to these lies, is the lie Kerry tells about how he had searched to find the truth--but only learned the facts when a Boston Glober reporter told him that his grandparents were Jewish. Just in time for the start of his Presidential campaign.

[Hon]

I think you are missing what I had hoped to accomplish with this thread. Which was to chronicle Kerry's misrepresentations (lies) over the years and in his current remarks.

I'm not particularly concerned about Kerry's grandfather either. (Except it is odd that he killed himself. Which might not bespeak mental stability in the family.)

[malia]

I think there may lots of lies, but making certain first is a must. After that pix of Kerry and Fonda on the same podium (which they were, but not at the same time- as I understand) we - republicans/Conservatives have to be accurate!

The other guys don't - in fact even with the truth hitting them in the face they can make up a story.

[Torie]

Your point is well taken. Kerry has trouble being straight foward and telling the truth, because he is consumed with being somebody in power, and is willing to trim, even when it is not necesssary. That is a character flaw, particularly in a president. No doubt about it, and it should be noted again and again.

[Hon]

These comments are so outrageous they probably go beyond just being mendacious:

A portion of John Kerry's remarks on NBC's "Meet the Press" April 18, 1971:

MR. CROSBY NOYES (Washington Evening Star): Mr. Kerry, you said at one time or another that you think our policies in Vietnam are tantamount to genocide and that the responsibility lies at all chains of command over there. Do you consider that you personally as a Naval officer committed atrocities in Vietnam or crimes punishable by law in this country?

KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1074482/posts

[claudiustg]

---A corollary to these lies, is the lie Kerry tells about how he had searched to find the truth--but only learned the facts when a Boston Glober reporter told him that his grandparents were Jewish. ---

A Boston blue-blood that doesn't know the ancestry of his grandparents: what are the odds?

[lilylangtree]

Excerpt from John Kerry: The Chameleon Senator
By Ted Sampley
U.S. Veteran Dispatch
October-December 1996 Issue

Sydney H. Schanberg, associate editor and columnist for New York Newsday and Pulitzer Prize winning journalist veteran of the Indochina War whose book, The Death and Life of Dith Pran, became the subject of the Academy Award-winning film The Killing Fields, chronicled some of Kerry's more blatant pro-Hanoi biases in several of his columns.

In a Nov. 21, 1993 column, Schanberg wrote, "Highly credible information has been surfacing in recent days which indicates that the headlines you have been reading about a 'breakthrough' in Hanoi's cooperation on the POW/MIA issue are part of a carefully scripted performance. The apparent purpose is to move toward normalization of relations with Hanoi.

"Sen. John F. Kerry, chairman of the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs, is one of the key figures pushing for normalization. Kerry is currently on a visit to Vietnam where he has been doing two things: (1) praising the Vietnamese effusively for granting access to their war archives and (2) telling the press that there's no believable evidence to back up the stories of live POWs still being held. "Ironically, that very kind of live-POW evidence has been brought to Kerry's own committee on a regular basis over the past year, and he has repeatedly sought to impeach its value. Moreover, Kerry and his allies on the committee - such as Sens. John McCain, Nancy Kassebaum and Tom Daschle - have worked to block much of this evidence from being made public."

[Fedora]

Some examples off the top of my head:

He threw his medals, he didn't throw his medals.

He wanted to investigate BCCI as long as the target was Republican, but when Democrat Clark Clifford became a suspect he backed off on the grounds that he didn't want to humiliate a senile old man (even while he and the Democrats were busy attacking Reagan).

He didn't attack Clinton over Kosovo or Iraq, nor did he vote against authorizing Bush's action in Iraq, but now that he's running for President himself he attacks the very military action he voted to authorize.

He wanted to reduce the military and intelligence community from Vietnam to the end of the Cold War, but now that there's a War on Terror he's suddenly Mr. I-was-in-Vietnam.

He says he's against special interests, but he takes money from Mintz Levin, Time-Warner, Citi Group, etc.

He's supported gay rights his whole career, until last week he declared he was against gay marriage.

He attacks the President's 30-year-old National Guard record, but when people want to examine his own actions during the same period he says it's time to "move on".

Etc., ad infinitum, ad nauseum. I bet if you went through every major item in his platform you could find him contradicting himself in each case.

[birdsman]

Breaking his wedding vows is a lie to the one he supposedly loves. Breaking his wedding vows that were made in the church is a lie to God.

[Hon]

Kerry Re Packwood Sex Scandal:

"We are being tested here," said Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass. "Let's tell the American people we are not going to cover up and we're not going to have a double standard."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1077529/posts

[TheWriterInTexas]

Dear Hon:

Believe me, I am not missing your goal. Visit www.american-partisan.com and check out "The Great Iraq Flip-Flop" for some hard stuff on Kerry.

My point is, his Irish ancestry may come through his mother. If this hasn't been proven false, he may be telling the truth. If it is the truth, labeling it as a lie will only discredit the entirety of the list (even if everything else is spot-on accurate).

We are on the same page, my friend. I just don't want a misstatement to damage the larger compilation.

[texasflower]

Now I understand why Kerry thinks he would be a good CIC.

As a war criminal, he would be better able to understand war criminals like Saddam. So he would understand that Saddam just needed a little love and understanding.

What an idiot this man is.

[Torie]

"As some of you may know, I am part-English and part-Irish. And when my Kerry ancestors first came over to Massachusetts from the old country to find work in the New World, it was my English ancestors who refused to hire them."

You are the writer, but in my relatively illiterate mind, the prose suggests that Kerry was implying that the "Kerry" ancestors were Irish. Granted, my English ancestors would probably have considered the Czechs (unless Moravian Protestant) and the Irish, as fungibly equally "undesirable," but whatever.

[Salvation]

Some lies in here. Especially since he professes to being a practicing Catholic!

The Deadly Dozen

Blood On Their Hands: Exposing Pro-abortion Catholic Politicians

Kerry [Catholic} says he'll filibuster Supreme Court nominees who do not support abortion rights

PETITION TO EX-COMMUNICATE PRO-ABORTION CATHOLIC ELECTED OFFICIALS

Catholics Kerry and Kennedy have a 100% Pro-homosexual Record with the Human Rights Campaign! Page 10,11

Kerry says he alone hasn't 'played games' on abortion

AS KERRY EMERGES, SO DOES CONCERN THAT AS PRESIDENT HE MAY BE DENIED COMMUNION

Archbishop [Raymond Burke] Would Refuse Communion To John Kerry

Kerry raps Pope: Senator fuming over gay marriage order

(re Kerry & Kennedy) Boston Bishop O'Malley Says "It Is Not Our Policy To Deny Communion"

Catholics Attack Kerry on Abortion Stance

KERRY & GAY MARRIAGE

Kerry tells off the Pope

Kerry dodges constitutional ban question (Gay Marriage)

Kerry Signed Letter Endorsing Homosexual Marriage

Kerry Signed Letter Backing Gay Marriage

John Kerry: A Call To Service Excerpt (on being a practicing Catholic)

[TheWriterInTexas]

Dear Torie:

Hon pointed out that Kerry's grandfather was Czech. There was no confirmation that his other grandparents, or his paternal grandmother, were not Irish.

Even a little Irish affords someone the opportunity to claim an Irish heritage.

He could be referring to the totality of his ancestry, in general terms. When I refer to my family's history, I list all our "old world" countries (including Ireland on Mom's side), even though both my *paternal* grandparents are from Germany.

Believe me, I have no love for Kerry (called him a fruitloop and his opinions dangerous right here on FR), but unless his direct family tree is DEVOID of Irish ancestors, this is stretching. If it is devoid of direct Irish ancestors, then by all means, have at him! Since he's a lying, flip-flopping weasel, it wouldn't surprise me if there was not a hint of the Emerald Isle anywhere in his background.

[Criminal Number 18F]

Hon pointed out that Kerry's grandfather was Czech. There was no confirmation that his other grandparents, or his paternal grandmother, were not Irish.

NONE of Kerry's Grandparents were Irish. His four grandparents were:

1. Paternal grandfather: Fritz Kohn, born 1873 as a Jew in Horni Benes'ov, Czech Republic (then part of the Habsburg Empire), converted to Christianity (Specifically, baptized into Catholicism) in 1901, changed name to Kerry in 1901/02. It's worth noting that there were terrible riots against Jews around this time and many Austrian Jews converted in self-defence. Kerry emigrated to the US in 1905, a rare immigrant traveling in First Class, and was naturalized in 1907 in Chicago (Sources differ on whether he changed his first name in 1901 or 1907). Made a fortune selling shoes, spent a fortune and a half, shot himself in Boston, bankrupt, 1921. (A trust was left for his sons from the maternal side).
2. Paternal grandmother: Ida Löwe, born in Budapest in 1877, died 1960.
3. Maternal grandfather: James Grant Forbes, born Shanghai 1879, died Paris 1955. (the Forbes family was an ancient and fantastically wealthy Boston Brahmin family that made and maintained its fortune in shipping, whaling and smuggling -- including shipping slaves, and, the probable reason James G was in Shanghai, opium).
4. Maternal grandmother: Margaret Tyndal Winthrop, born in ??, Mass, in 1880, died in a French resort town in 1970. The Winthrops are an even more ancient Brahmin family than the Forbses; Kerry descends on this side from Mayflower passengers and George III's early colonial governors.

There is not a single Irish soul in Kerry's bloodline. You have to go back to the 8-G grandparents on his mother's side, to find anybody that died in England. Starting in the early 1600s they are all prosperous Puritan immigrants. Likewise, the paternal side is all well-to-do-Jews.

Since he's a lying, flip-flopping weasel, it wouldn't surprise me if there was not a hint of the Emerald Isle anywhere in his background.

Well, there it is. Whole genealogy on him here. [members.aol.com]. The many links from that page are also interesting reading for anyone interested in the opportunistic Senator's ancestry.

Someone like you with one Irish Grandparent is still considered Irish under Irish nationality law. (Meaning you could actually apply for dual citizenship if you wanted to -- consult a specialist attorney if you're interested, because there are some consequences to this in things like security clearances). Someone with no Irish ancestors who marches in the St Patrick's day parade, just so that he can march with the "gay Irish" group (most of whom are about as Irish as he is), well...

But Kerry had no idea of his Jewish ancestry until very recently, although he knew his family was Austrian all along. The family themselves had concealed many things from his generation. He only learnt of his grandfather's suicide when his father was terminal with cancer in 1999, and he didn't realise that Fred Kerry's suicide and bankruptcy (his estate netted out $25) were a tremendous, front-page news story in 1921, until a reporter showed him the old front pages.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

[Toespi]

A compilation of Kerry's lies is a good idea, the only problem is that Democrat lies are never lies and the press lies to cover up Democrat lies.