Dad Slugs Man Who Offers Money To Girl For Sex

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[Stone Mountain]

Yeah, what do you want to bet she was dressed like a slut?

And that would be relevent to this case how???

[raybbr]

Armondo Hernandez

Does the name give a clue as to why he wasn't arrested?

[dbehsman]

"Why didn't you use your real name?
You should have just written John Smith or John Doe."

Because it was a relatively small high school. And they ALL knew me! If I would have would have signed with "John Doe" or "Harry Sachs", they would have known immediately that something was up! It was worth it.

[Stu Cohen]

It is competition to their business

Last time I checked, "their business" was writing parking tickets and yanking people over for broken taillights or doing 38 in a 35 zone. I believe we used to call them "tax collectors".

Preventing violent and/or property crimes is a secondary task.

[Stone Mountain]

They knew why he did it. His daughter was there. They arrested the perp. They object to common citizens defending themselves.

Again, the police aren't supposed to make the judgement that one person's violence against another is justified or not. That's for the prosecution. Who made the correct decision. You can't possibly expect police to come on to the scene of a fight and make a decision right there as to who is right and wrong, can you?

[Stu Cohen]

I'll go along with the medal, and believe me, I'm no big fan of the police, but when the police come onto a scene and one person has hit another, they have to make an arrest. The police aren't a position to make a judgement whether or not the assault was justified or not - all they can do is make the arrest and let the prosecutor sort things out.

That's not true. In clear cases of self defense, or defense of family, they are free to exercise reasonable discretion.

They failed to do so in this case, IMHO.

[ICE-FLYER]

Prosecutor Bill Graff said you can't take the law into your own hands

This is the problem in our nation. Yes, we CAN take the law into our own hands when perceiving a threat. This father handled it exactly as I would have. It is self important pontificating slime like this prosecutor who would have you sit out in the country with bad guys braking down your door and demand you do nothing until HIS police get there to protect you only to arrive to find your home ransacked and you dead.

A bit much? I don't think so. Its the mindset I am speaking about. Its as if only he can react to wrongs in this world.

[af_vet_1981]

I'll go along with the medal, and believe me, I'm no big fan of the police, but when the police come onto a scene and one person has hit another, they have to make an arrest. The police I'll go along with the medal, and believe me, I'm no big fan of the police, but when the police come onto a scene and one person has hit another, they have to make an arrest. The police aren't a position to make a judgement whether or not the assault was justified or not - all they can do is make the arrest and let the prosecutor sort things out. In my opinion, this case was actually handled properly by the police and the prosecution - a rarity these days... In my opinion, this case was actually handled properly by the police and the prosecution - a rarity these days...

So the crux of your argument is that if a victim defends herself or himself by hitting another person, or if another person comes to their aid in a similar fashion, the police aren't a position to make a judgement whether or not the assault was justified or not - all they can do is make the arrest and let the prosecutor sort things out ?

I categorically reject your argument. The police must exercise good judgment before making an arrest.

[Freedom2specul8]

Bump to kickinbutt

[Stu Cohen]

You can't possibly expect police to come on to the scene of a fight and make a decision right there as to who is right and wrong, can you?

Yes.

Sometimes it's obvious.

That's why the don't arrest attempted rape victims who fight back.

Is it your honest opinion that she should be arrested if the alleged rapist has scratches on his face?

[ShorelineMike]

What would you do if a man offered to pay your teenage daughter for sex while she was shopping? Jimmy Hunt punched the man in the face.

Works for me. What's the problem?

Works for me, too. I vaguely recall hearing my parents and grandparents talk about something called "honor" when I was growing up.

[biblewonk]

"Dad Slugs Man Who Offers Money To Girl For Sex","ACLU jails dad and doubles offer to girl".

[JimRed]

This reminds me of former Pittsburgh Steeler Jack Lambert's advice to kids -- when someone offers to sell you drugs, punch them right in the nose.

Much as I agree in principle with that advice, it is likely to get your kid shot by the drug thug...

[azcap]

The problem with jury nullification is that communities like Berkeley, CA exist. The founding fathers designed a wonderful system. They were also quite clear in their writings that only an enlightened and moral populace could make it work. We have neither today.

[citizen]

Prosecutor Bill Graff said you can't take the law into your own hands...

Isn't the dirtbag perp taking the law into HIS own hands by trying to rape a 17-year old?

OTOH, at least Graff made the right decision but for the wrong reason.

[citizen]

Armondo Hernandez, the perp....

Legal or Illegal? It'a a fair question.

[Stone Mountain]

So the crux of your argument is that if a victim defends herself or himself by hitting another person, or if another person comes to their aid in a similar fashion, the police aren't a position to make a judgement whether or not the assault was justified or not - all they can do is make the arrest and let the prosecutor sort things out ?

Yes, but I should have been more clear. In this case, we had a situation where one person hit another person. That's against the law. I don't believe the police in that situation are qualified to make the judgement that because one person said something to another, that violence was justified. Even if it was justified. Your argument that if a "victim defends herself or himself by hitting another person," while I understand what you are saying, still doesn't fall into the legal definition of self defense. I still believe that the police, under those circumstances, had to make the arrest. Technically, the father broke the law. It is up to the discretion of the prosecutor, not the discretion of the police to decide that charges shouldn't be brought.

[Stone Mountain]

That's why the don't arrest attempted rape victims who fight back. Is it your honest opinion that she should be arrested if the alleged rapist has scratches on his face?

This has nothing to do with rape, and your loaded question here has nothing to do with what I said. See my post 77 if you're interested in discussing this without getting too far afield...

[Stone Mountain]

Armondo Hernandez, the perp.... Legal or Illegal? It'a a fair question.

Would it be just as fair to ask this about the father and daughter in this case? Or is it fair just because he has a Latin name?

[from occupied ga]

Legal or Illegal? It'a a fair question.

And one the media won't answer.