Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 8 Feb 2004 (Pres Bush on MTP)

Since President Bush is not evil, no, it would not be choosing the "lesser of two evils".

Though that is a favorite phrase of some. Not very original of you.

1,401 posted on 02/08/2004 2:56:11 PM PST by cyncooper

I served honorably in the Army during the late 80s. I was called up from the Reserves for 6 months for the Gulf War. I am offended that you would attack me because I am raising reasonable questions about our President's service. When a Public Official claims that he honorably performed military service, then his claim must be supportable. It is not anti-American to demand information from our leaders.

1,402 posted on 02/08/2004 2:56:36 PM PST by huskerco

George W. Bush received an honorable discharge.

You are refusing to look at the records available and are instead choosing to spread disinformation aka lies.

1,403 posted on 02/08/2004 2:57:41 PM PST by cyncooper

Spinning, spinning.

Stop that or you may hurt yourself

I see you give an impassioned opus on the idea of posting opinions. Some of us have a quaint notion of backing those opinions up with facts.

WTF? How do I back up my opinion of a speech with facts? I thought he looked rattled, paused alot, and looked and sounded as if he wasn't confident. How on earth can I produce an equation to prove that opinion as fact?

As I pointed out earlier, those of us who watched the interview actually posted what was said. It was anything but "rattled" or "incoherent".

Well, that is your opinion. Hardly a fact that can be proven beyond all doubt.

You may fling out such charges, but I asked and have yet to receive an example from you that would support your "opinion".

Charges? Since when does an opinion of one's demeanor constitute CHARGES?

Yikes. Get some perspective there.

1,404 posted on 02/08/2004 2:58:10 PM PST by Stu Cohen

Did you watch the interview this am with Russert? Pres Bush stated that all records concerning his service with the National Guard is public record.

Believe me if Ann Richards or Gore could have found something they'd of used it, they didn't.

1,405 posted on 02/08/2004 2:58:22 PM PST by marajade

I admire President Bush and said not a word about his being the lesser of two evils.I see nothing evil about the President..I do not trust Kerry.

The election will result in the President or the dem nominee being elected.That is the reality.

1,406 posted on 02/08/2004 2:59:02 PM PST by MEG33 (BUSH/CHENEY '04)

Thank you! I was so depressed yesterday listening to the Michigan guy beaming about the huge turnout and the need to keep the places open 2 additional hours. I did not follow politics closely yesterday so missed the fine details.

1,407 posted on 02/08/2004 3:00:34 PM PST by cyncooper

I read this morning that the Michigan dem party leaders were hoping for/expecting a turnout of 400,000, and ended up with only 150,000. I'll see if I can find a link.

Sidenote: Did you know that Kucinich beat Edwards in Washington state yesterday? LoL.

1,408 posted on 02/08/2004 3:01:31 PM PST by EllaMinnow (If you want to send a message, call Western Union.)

And you know, I recall Laura Bush answering a litle kid's question about the President's horse and she said: "Well, the President is what we call a *windshield cowboy". I almost fell off the couch laughing!!

I wonder if there is a gunrack on his truck?

BTW, thank you & all the others there w/you for your service.
I hope you are all home by November and can vote in person so the military absentee votes are not thrown away, this time.

1,409 posted on 02/08/2004 3:01:39 PM PST by reformedliberal

Since President Bush is not evil, no, it would not be choosing the "lesser of two evils".

Okay, maybe evil wasn't the appropriate word. What is word would be synonymous with "threatening the sovreignty of the United States in order to pandering to a special interest group (not to mention a foreign President)"?

Whatever that word is ... that's the word I meant to use.

1,410 posted on 02/08/2004 3:02:03 PM PST by Stu Cohen

1,411 posted on 02/08/2004 3:02:17 PM PST by MEG33 (BUSH/CHENEY '04)

Thanks for the heads up. I caught just the last 15 mins. but I was very impressed how he handled this question.

Russert: Are you prepared to lose?

President Bush: No, I'm not going to lose.

Russert: If you did, what would you do?

President Bush: Well, I don't plan on losing. I have got a vision for what I want to do for the country. See, I know exactly where I want to lead. I want to lead us I want to lead this world toward more peace and freedom....

To me that says: I have yet begun to fight.

1,412 posted on 02/08/2004 3:02:57 PM PST by McGruff

I am offended that you would attack me because I am raising reasonable questions about our President's service.

I am offended at your spreading lies and ignoring facts being presented that dispell the disinformation you seek to disseminate.

President Bush did in fact serve honorably. He didn't just claim it, he served and was honorably discharged. You may demand the information.....you haven't bothered to notice that it has been provided again and again and again.

1,413 posted on 02/08/2004 3:04:56 PM PST by cyncooper

YAWN

You verbally alert the board when you're tired???

We can only hope that you don't notify us in such graphic detail when a bowel movement is imminent.

1,414 posted on 02/08/2004 3:05:02 PM PST by Stu Cohen

To: huskerco; All

He came back from Alabama, took the physical with his unit and failed it. BIG difference from not taking it at all. And I can tell from experience that it is VERY hard to maintain your normal physical fittness much less the tough standards for a flight physical. And before you go expounding more unfounded conspiracy stuff, you can flunk a flight physical for simply not meeting the prescribed height/weight standards.

Your fact checking is quite sloppy. First year writers for the National Enquirer do a better job than you do.

This is taken from a post by FReeper Robert A Cook P.E. from the thread Debunking The Bush AWOL Story - Straight From The Horses Mouth:

"I'm looking at a copy of Bush's 1973 carrear summary:
As of 1 Oct 73 it credits him with duty at these assignments:

"HD TR TexANG Per ANGR36-05, SO ANG-A 158, State of Texas AG Dept, Austin, Tx and transferred to ARPC (ORS), 3800 York St, denver, CO 80205 effective 2 October 1973. (DOS TexANG 1 Oct 73)."

That means he was satisfactorily discharged ( to inactive Reserve in Denver on 1 Oct 73 (start of the fiscal year), after duty in Tex Air National Gaurd Headqtrs, and officially credited duty for the Alabama Air National Guard: ANG-A 158!

Further: His Officer's Fitness Report (OER Form) for 1 May 72 to 30 Apr 73 from Texas credits him with a routine "Not Observed" default markings - exactly correct when an officer is serving, but not at the same continuous duty station as his commanding officer. The CO can't evaluate him, and the temporary station does NOT EVER issue OER's.

Hint: An Officer "AWOL" (or under any discipline!) does not get that kind of OER."

This seems to back up my assertations earlier about his OER and the marking contained on it.

Below is the link to the page on the above mentioned discussion thread with a copy of the papers proving this AWOL story is a LIE. If it still loads, post #169 has a copy of the papers that exonerate Pres. Bush.

I'm looking at a copy of Bush's 1973 carrear summary:
As of 1 Oct 73 it credits him with duty at these assignments:

"HD TR TexANG Per ANGR36-05, SO ANG-A 158, State of Texas AG Dept, Austin, Tx and transferred to ARPC (ORS), 3800 York St, denver, CO 80205 effective 2 October 1973. (DOS TexANG 1 Oct 73)."

That means he was satisfactorily discharged ( to inactive Reserve in Denver on 1 Oct 73 (start of the fiscal year), after duty in Tex Air National Gaurd Headqtrs, and officially credited duty for the Alabama Air National Guard: ANG-A 158!

Further: His Officer's Fitness Report (OER Form) for 1 May 72 to 30 Apr 73 from Texas credits him with a routine "Not Observed" default markings - exactly correct when an officer is serving, but not at the same continuous duty station as his commanding officer. The CO can't evaluate him, and the temporary station does NOT EVER issue OER's.

Hint: An Officer "AWOL" (or under any discipline!) does not get that kind of OER.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1073076/posts?q=1&&page=151

Next time I suggest you bring your A Game if you're gonna try and spread crud like this.

1,415 posted on 02/08/2004 3:05:11 PM PST by txradioguy (HOOAH! Not Just A Word...A Way Of Life)

"Let me say huskerco that you however are wrong still. You took a quote from an officer in a magazine article and attributed it to the President's OER. Sloppy."

You assert that I am sloppy because I took an (inacurate) quote from a magazine article. I was not aware of the article. I took the quote that Lt Bush was not observed at his unit directly from his OER. Do you allege that his OER did not contain the quote?

1,416 posted on 02/08/2004 3:05:13 PM PST by huskerco

To: Stu Cohen; MEG33

1,417 posted on 02/08/2004 3:05:45 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia

To: Right_in_Virginia

BIG YAWN

BIG, BIG, SUPER DUPER YAWN!!!!!

I guess it's a contest now.

*shrug* ... when in Rome ...

1,418 posted on 02/08/2004 3:08:11 PM PST by Stu Cohen

To: huskerco; cyncooper; chiller

I don't know WHO you are, but it appears that you showed up here today just to trash Bush -- and with information that has been PROVEN over and over to be false:

Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 8 Feb 2004 (Pres Bush on MTP)
			Posted by huskerco to txradioguy On News/Activism 02/08/2004 6:05:13 PM EST #1,416 of 1,417 "Let me say huskerco that you however are wrong still. You took a quote from an officer in a magazine article and attributed it to the President's OER. Sloppy." You assert that I am sloppy because I took an (inacurate) quote from a magazine article. I was not aware of the article. I took the quote that Lt Bush was not observed at his unit directly from his OER. Do you allege that his OER did not contain the quote? Post Reply \| Private Reply \| To 1,388 \| View Replies

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			Posted by huskerco to cyncooper On News/Activism 02/08/2004 5:56:36 PM EST #1,402 of 1,417 I served honorably in the Army during the late 80s. I was called up from the Reserves for 6 months for the Gulf War. I am offended that you would attack me because I am raising reasonable questions about our President's service. When a Public Official claims that he honorably performed military service, then his claim must be supportable. It is not anti-American to demand information from our leaders. Post Reply \| Private Reply \| To 1,385 \| View Replies

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			Posted by huskerco to cyncooper On News/Activism 02/08/2004 5:52:07 PM EST #1,393 of 1,417 You allege that I am spreading lies about President Bush. I have stated that his 1973 OER says that he did not perform any service at his unit. What about that statement is a lie? Post Reply \| Private Reply \| To 1,384 \| View Replies

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			Posted by huskerco to cyncooper On News/Activism 02/08/2004 5:47:21 PM EST #1,387 of 1,417 On August 1, 1972, Lt Bush was suspended from flying by the National Guard because he had not taken his annual medical examination. I don't believe that he ever regained his flight status. Do you have some evidence that he did? Post Reply \| Private Reply \| To 1,380 \| View Replies

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			Posted by huskerco to chiller On News/Activism 02/08/2004 5:42:40 PM EST #1,383 of 1,417 You guess that President Bush made up his missed National Guard time later. While that may be true, I would appreciate it if you could provide some evidence that supports your guess. Did he make up the missed service in Texas or in Alabama? Post Reply \| Private Reply \| To 1,373 \| View Replies

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			Posted by huskerco to txradioguy On News/Activism 02/08/2004 5:39:34 PM EST #1,377 of 1,417 I am still rather confused about President Bush's National Guard Service. His OER dated 5/2/73 for the period from 5/1/72 - 4/30/73 states "Lt Bush has not been observed at this unit during the period of report." To me, that says that he did not honorably perform his National Guard service. Do you have another explanation? Post Reply \| Private Reply \| To 1,370 \| View Replies

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			Posted by huskerco to txradioguy On News/Activism 02/08/2004 5:14:01 PM EST #1,367 of 1,417 If you think that President Bush's service in the National Guard was so honorable, can you explain why his 1973 Officer Effectiveness Report (Evaluation) stated that he hadn't been seen for one year? Post Reply \| Private Reply \| To 1,315 \| View Replies

Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 8 Feb 2004 (Pres Bush on MTP)
			Posted by huskerco to Just mythoughts On News/Activism 02/08/2004 5:08:18 PM EST #1,363 of 1,417 You say that President Bush looked good landing on the aircraft carrier. I thought that he had been grounded from flying because he didn't take his National Guard physical. Post Reply \| Private Reply \| To 1,302 \| View Replies

House of Saud in 'panic' over al-Qaida
			Posted by huskerco to Diogenesis On News/Activism 12/07/2003 6:05:24 PM EST #75 of 107 I doubt if the Saudis will get what they deserve if President Bush keeps protecting them.

1,419 posted on 02/08/2004 3:08:33 PM PST by Howlin

WTF? How do I back up my opinion of a speech with facts?

First, it wasn't a speech, it was an interview. It's very simple. You said he was "incoherent". I'm waiting for you to produce an excerpt of the transcript that demonstrates such. You know, a sentence that doesn't make sense or is unintelligable. Something that shows "incoherence".

As to our posting what was actually said, why clearly it buttresses the opinion of those of us who heard clear and plainspoken answers to the questions. Not the "rattled and incoherent" performance you allege.

1,420 posted on 02/08/2004 3:08:44 PM PST by cyncooper

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