[huskerco]

If you think that President Bush's service in the National Guard was so honorable, can you explain why his 1973 Officer Effectiveness Report (Evaluation) stated that he hadn't been seen for one year?

[mylife]

MSNBC is reairing this mornings MTP now

[txradioguy]

You know what? There was a discussion thread about his military records on FR the other day and there was a copy of his OER and his NGB 22 (the Guards version of the DD 214 service record). Nowhere on there was there any mention of him having been AWOL of not having completed the required drills to have what's considered a "good year" of service. If what you say is true, that would have to be put in there becasue his senior rater (his commander) in the TX ANG hadn't seen him for that year to evaluate him. And he couldn't be evaluated by the AL ANG becasue he wasn't assigned to them, just allowed to drill so he wouldn't be considered AWOL.

Not that it means much to you since the tone of your post starts off hostile but the OER inwhich you refer would have had to have been in 1972.

If I remember correctly in 1973 he was transferred to inactive status "having fufilled the terms of his enlistment". So NO ONE from his unit would have seen him in 1973.

And I wasn't just touching on President Bush's service in the ANG. I was also broadly referring to the proud service of ALL GUard members. Of which I was one for 3 years between my first and current hitch in the active duty army.


Now...any other myths or urban legends I can debunk for you?

[chiller]

..probably because he had been given persimission to work on a political campaign in Alabama. He made up the time later. Just a guess.

[cyncooper]

If you think that President Bush's service in the National Guard was so honorable, can you explain why his 1973 Officer Effectiveness Report (Evaluation) stated that he hadn't been seen for one year?

The records are all over the place, feel free to look them up.

Can you explain why he would receive an honorable discharge if he did not serve honorably?

And can you tell me why you are acting dishonorably by spreading lies about President Bush?

[cyncooper]

PKM, Check out freeper huskerco and his hostility towards President Bush and his service record.

[txradioguy]

Ok one correction of myself. President (at the time 1st Lieutenant) Bush was discharged from the ANG in October 1973 not 1972 as I stated. I apologize. But however that still doesn't change the point I was trying to make.

Let me say huskerco that you however are wrong still. You took a quote from an officer in a magazine article and attributed it to the President's OER. Sloppy.

From a George Magazine Article from Oct. 2000

"On May 2, 1973, Bush's squadron leader in the 147th, Lieutenant Colonel William Harris, Jr. wrote: "Lt. Bush has not been observed at this unit" for the past year."

A magazine quote is far different from a statement of fact on an official military record. make sure you rememebr that.

From the same article:

"Two documents obtained by Georgemag.com indicate that Bush did make up the time he missed during the summer and autumn of 1972. One is an April 23, 1973 order for Bush to report to annual active duty training the following month; the other is an Air National Guard statement of days served by Bush that is torn and undated but contains entries that correspond to the first. Taken together, they appear to establish that Bush reported for duty on nine occasions between November 29, 1972-when he could have been in Alabama-and May 24, 1973. Bush still wasn't flying, but over this span, he did earn nine points of National Guard service from days of active duty and 32 from inactive duty. When added to the 15 so-called "gratuitous" points that every member of the Guard got per year, Bush accumulated 56 points, more than the 50 that he needed by the end of May 1973 to maintain his standing as a Guardsman.

On May 1, Bush was ordered to report for further active duty training, and documents show that he proceeded to cram in another 10 sessions over the next two months. Ultimately, he racked up 19 active duty points of service and 16 inactive duty points by July 30-which, added to his 15 gratuitous points, achieved the requisite total of 50 for the year ending in May 1974.

On October 1, 1973, First Lieutenant George W. Bush received an early honorable discharge so that he could attend Harvard Business School. He was credited with five years, four months and five days of service toward his six-year service obligation."

You don't get an honorable discharge from ANY branch of service if you've been AWOL.

The National Guard and Army Reserve have different views on "reporting for duty" than the active forces do. People miss drills or 2 week annual training periods for various reasons. (Job, kids, illness etc.) As long as you make up the drill dates within the specified time as far as the Guard and reserve are concerned you have completed your training requirements for the year. I have had to do this a couple times myself.

This is a tempest in a teapot kept alive by people who have no clue as to the differences in how the active and reserve forces operate and the AWOL myth foisted upon the unsuspecting and easily swayed (BUSH LIED!)as fact when it is pure fiction.

[Just mythoughts]

Oh you were there? Got some hate yourself for the President?