Canadians to Bush: Hope You Lose, Eh

http://www.axisoflogic.com ^ | Feb 6, 2004, 10:24 | Jonathon Gatehouse

[AfghanIraqVeteran]

According to a new poll, only 15 per cent of us would vote for the President

February 9, 2004-Maybe it's that smug little smile. His penchant for fantastically expensive military photo-ops. Or the swaggering, belt-hitching walk that cries out for

[Kay]

Good article and thanks for the support! Wonder how Mel Gibson's "The Passion" will play in Australia and New Zealand.

[NZerFromHK]

Thanks, and I thought a comparison with Australia serves as an excellent example of why Canada (even with Paul Matrin rather than Jean Chretien as the PM) is less a friend of the US than Australia. Even the Australian Official Opposition leader Mark Latham - who in theory is on the Left politically in Australia - supports cracking down illegal immigration and supports joining the US-led NMD programme:

Australia Opposition Promises New Crackdown on Illegal Immigration

The Australian: Latham's security somersault catches public's mood [December 18, 2003]

New Zealand is an altogether a dofferent matter. It is like a mini Canada and the politics is both "pacifist", far-left social democrat (except non-indigenous race issues, in which case Pat Buchanan would enjoy widespread support) and anti-American. Our "centre right" politicians would be considered like Clinton Democrats and "real" Republicans as "fringe right".

And in terms of faith, Australia and New Zealand are both famous for their secular humanism. I think many people are explicitly atheist or overtedly "cultural Christians". I don't think people will care for the film "The Passion" at all.

[Kay]

I'm so sorry. The folks I knew overseas from Australia and New Zealand were dedicated, joyous believers.

[Thumper1960]

It's not "hate" that you see directed at Canada. It's more like "You hate our guy in the WH? Off with you, (expletive)." Said in the heat of the moment and forgotten ten minutes later.

We share the same Mother country, so to speak. It is true, we have a thousands mile long border, that for all intents is unprotected. That's a tribute to both the USA and Canada and how we view each other. While we share so much, we will have differences. Americans see so many foreign leaders and high profile speakers taking issue with much of what we do and think. It's offensive to have our closest and dearest neighbor join the chorus. So, it's natural to straightaway say, "off with you, eh."

Deep down in our hearts, though, we'd die to defend you and Canada, should she ever become a victim of disaster or external aggression.

Now....what the heck is wrong with those Quebecois????

[NZerFromHK]

From my personal experiences in NZ, the people I have come across as Christians are either ethnic Asians or Pacific Islanders. (The Pakeha/Europeans or Maori don't seem to be particularly Christian, or maybe because they believe false things like "faith is your personal matters")

[NZerFromHK]

Two things crop out of my mind:

1) Rather than the angle "Oh, so they hate Bush eh?" I think it is astonishing that given the anti-Americanism of much of Canadians, we still see 15% of people who want to support him. I would have expected something like single digit figures.

2) If George w. Bush only gets 15% support in a hyopthetical election among Canadians, how would John Howard (PM of Australia) fare? 5%?

[CommandoFrank]

You're right... I stand corrected. That was one funny scene...

[geedee]

No problem. 4 months Afghanistan, 6 months Iraq. Love my job!

I salute you, sir . . . or ma'am! You and others like you are why we're the greatest country the world has ever known.

[biffalobull]

have lived overseas with Canadians. Great people. However, they did have an attitude toward Americans.

Kay, Thank You for the reply. Appreciate it.

I believe the American people are too concerned over what the rest of the world thinks about them.

However, posting hate filled articles such as this doesn't do much for world opinion.

North America, IMHO, is the only place in the world to live, either side of the 49 parallel. Regards, have a nice day, and please don't lump all of us Canuck's into the same basket.

[biffalobull]

Deep down in our hearts, though, we'd die to defend you and Canada, should she ever become a victim of disaster or external aggression. Now....what the heck is wrong with those Quebecois????

I'm positively sure this is true in a heartbeat. I'm also positive Canada would be the first one at your side if you were ever attacked.

As for the Quebecois, they are something else, and certainly do not represent Canada.

I have met a number of citizens from Quebec and they seem reasonable.

They have had a group of nitwit, moneygrubbing, politicians, who want to keep the French as not part of Canada. Thats fine with me, but the rest of this country suffers because of one Province's politicians. Regards

[juliebean]

"Well, as far as I can remember Canadians have hated "Americans". Funny that they are now trying to blame their hate on George Bush."

Strange, I've lived in Canada my entire life and I would say that most Canadians don't hate Americans, it pretty much ranges from liking them to indifference. Judging by some of the comments on this board (and many others) the high road is not the route of choice for some Americans. I have heard some pretty mean-spirited things said about Canadians. So we don't like your president, who cares? We don't vote in your elections. Our countries share many things, but our politics differ. As two sovereign nations, don't we have the right to have different ideological and political views? Stop being so defensive.

Now, one thing that does piss me off is the assumption that all Canadians are jealous of Americans. This is not true. We love our country. For the most part we are proud of it's natural beauty, our medicare (no matter how dysfunctional), our diversity, our social programs, our social thinking, and the list goes on) The only concern that I really see is that our culture is being swallowed up by the massive onslaught of American media that is available here.

We like you, we just don't want to be you. Is that so wrong?

[Let's Roll]

One of the best things about being American is we're not Canadians. And the day we stop being Americans, we'll see how long you last against the barbarian hoards you moron.

[juliebean]

Let's Roll,
Name calling, nice. Who are you calling a moron? You might have noticed that you directed that post toward "AfghanIraqVeteran", who I believe is one of the people protecting you from the so-called "barbarian hoards".

Before you start insulting entire nations and racial groups, can you please learn how to manage using a message board first?

Is it really patriotic to be proud to be "not Canadian". Do you feel entitled to some form of thanks for the invasion of Iraq. Did you do any of the fighting? Canada has forces in Afghanistan, but that isn't remembered when accusing us of not supporting the war on terrorism.

[Thumper1960]

Don't judge most Americans by the more visible and vicious postings of a few. (I'm sure that you don't.) Canada is Canada and not the United States. I think Canada's doing just fine being itself. We certainly don't have to agree on everything. That would be boring as Hell. Canadians may not like Bush, but, as you said, he's our president and not Canada's. We'll always argue like siblings are wont to do in a "family". What I'd like to see is more news in this country about what's happening in Canada. We don't hear enough to know enough...if you get my drift.

[Let's Roll]

Lessons on using a message board from a newbie? I don't think so.

And if you'd bothered to read the dozens of replies to Afghan whatever he claims to be, you'd see that moron was one of the nicer things he was called.

[Levante]

"I would hope that Canada, France, Jordan, and the UN hate our leader.

If they like him, I'll worry."

Yup! PM Cretin loved Clinton! (shivers)

[Levante]

"We like you, we just don't want to be you. Is that so wrong?"

Not at all! Canadians should love and be proud of their country. We fought together against tyrany in WW1, WW2, Korea, and between 30,000 to 40,000 Canadians fought in the US Forces in Vietnam. Personally, I am sick of divisive articles that are printed in the media. It seems all we ever hear is how the Canadians hate the US, or how the US steps on everyone. The media is full of cr#p. I also hear alot of opinions about Canada becoming part of the US. I myself would prefer a strong, free, separate Canada.

It's the people that DON'T love their respective countries that I don't trust!!

[NorthOf45]

This whole Anti-American/Anti-Canada issue is SO blown out of proportion, not to mention TOTALLY subjective. Before I get into anything here, let me state my position on the issues of the thread:

- I live in Canada (I can't bring myself to state the line that has regrettably become a Molson mantra).
- I can't believe somone would waste their (and the readers') time with such a moronic article. It makes ALL Canadians look bad. Besides, as many have already stated, what Canadians say about electing Bush carries ZERO weight.
- I am not Anti-American and neither are the majority of Canadians.
- Having stated the above, I don't trust Bush. But, that's just my opinion. One does not have to hold the leader of a country in high regard if they respect said country. Damn, if that were the case, then I'd be one anti-Canadian Canadian.

Alright, back to the Anti-Youfilltheblank subject ... this is an issue cultivated by the North American politician and media. You don't like our leader, so Canada sucks ... we
don't like your leader, so America sucks. Tell me that doesn't sound absurd. I mentioned Molson and their moto earlier ... what a sham. They are doing nothing but cater to the lowest common denominator. This is just one example of how the media is playing with the public. There are too many to get into here.

What bothers me is that when something good is reported about the Canada/US relationship, there are few comments. However, something negative gets reported and look out ... 100+ comments suddenly appear. What has Canada done for you lately? What has the US done for us lately? There are so many instances of cooperation, but nobody wants to discuss those. Let's stick to the negatives. Let's keep complaining and poining fingers. Let's keep taking one step forward and two steps back. That's progressive.

Canada has issues, we should be more worried about them then what's going on south of our border. It's too bad the politicians, media and a small percentage of Canadians don't get it.

[ZULU]

This American to Canadians -

HOW MANY FINGERS AM I HOLDING UP?!!!!

(Hint - if you think its two or more or none at all - you're wrong.)