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U.S. Troops Dying at Rate of Over 1 a Day
Star-Telegram ^ | Tue, Feb. 03, 2004 | ROBERT BURNS

Posted on 02/03/2004 6:22:24 PM PST by RJCogburn

American soldiers are dying at a rate of more than one a day in Iraq, despite some commanders' recent claims to have broken the back of the insurgency.

The toll in January was 45 - five more than in December - despite hopes that deposed President Saddam Hussein's capture would stop the killings from roadside bombs and other attacks.

The number of deaths in January will rise to 47 when the Pentagon changes the status of two soldiers who are missing and believed to have died in the Tigris River on Jan. 25. That would make the second highest monthly total since last April when daily combat from the U.S.-led invasion was under way.

All told, 528 U.S. troops have died in the war, including three so far this month. The worst month was November, when 82 died. In October there were 43, September had 30, August 35.

Of 39 deaths in January that the Army attributed to hostile action, 23 involved attacks with homemade bombs, which the military calls "improvised explosive devices," and which have been the insurgents' weapon of choice, according to a review of Pentagon casualty reports.

The Army has put great emphasis on defeating the threat from homemade bombs, often detonated along roadways used by Army convoys. Usually a remotely transmitted signal sets them off.

To counter the threat, more soldiers are using Humvee utility vehicles with extra armor, and troops are wearing an improved version of body armor that provides more protection against bomb shrapnel. Some vehicles also are equipped now with devices that jam the electronic signal used to detonate the bombs.

Most of the attackers are thought to be remnants of the Baath Party that ruled Iraq under Saddam for more than three decades, although some may be foreign terrorists.

When U.S. troops captured Saddam near his hometown of Tikrit on Dec. 13, some thought that would take the punch out of the resistance. By early January, U.S. commanders were publicly emphasizing that the number of attacks on U.S. troops had declined, as had hostile deaths.

Maj. Gen. Charles H. Swannack Jr., commander of the 82nd Airborne Division, told reporters on Jan. 6 that "we've turned the corner" in the counterinsurgency effort in his area of responsibility, the western part of Iraq, which includes a part of the "Sunni Triangle" west of Baghdad.

The number of attacks on his forces had declined by almost 60 percent in the past month, he said then.

Two weeks later, Maj. Gen. Raymond Odierno, commander of the 4th Infantry Division, said, "The former regime elements we've been combating have been brought to their knees." His troops operate in an area north of Baghdad that includes Tikrit, a focus of anti-U.S. violence.

But in fact, many of the fatal attacks against U.S. forces in January were in Swannack's and Odierno's areas. On Jan. 24, for example, three soldiers from Swannack's force were killed in an improvised explosive device attack in the town of Khalidiyah, east of Ramadi, in the Sunni Triangle. Three days later, another such attack near the same town killed three more soldiers. Still another who was severely wounded in the same attack died in a hospital two days later.

On Jan. 31, three soldiers from Odierno's 4th Infantry Division were killed when their vehicle was hit by an improvised explosive device while traveling in a convoy in the city of Kirkuk.

The depth and effectiveness of the insurgency is difficult to measure with only statistics, which tend to fluctuate over time. It appeared a few weeks ago that many U.S. commanders had hoped the dropoff in guerrilla action would usher in a less violent period for U.S. troops.

That has not happened.

In an eight-day span, Jan. 9 to Jan. 16, only three American soldiers died, and two from nonhostile causes.

But in the two weeks after that, 26 died - all but three in hostile action.

L. Paul Bremer, U.S. civilian administrator of Iraq, said Tuesday he still believes security has improved.

"I think the situation has improved importantly since the capture of Saddam Hussein," he said.

In the four weeks after Saddam's capture, the number of insurgent attacks against American troops throughout Iraq did fall to an average of 18 per day from 23 per day in the preceding four weeks.

But on Tuesday, Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, deputy chief of operations for the U.S. military in Baghdad, told reporters that the daily average had climbed back to 23 in the past week.

Attacks against Iraqis also are on the rise, although it is not clear that all those are related directly to the insurgency. The two near-simultaneous suicide bombings in the northern city of Irbil on Sunday, for example, killed 101 people, U.S. military officials said Tuesday, including top Kurdish political figures.


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To: Snickersnee
I think you math is off. I get 1,346 days of war for the U.S. in WWII from 12/7/41 to 8/14/45. I think that 292,000 US servicemen died from combat in WWII. That comes out to 216 combat deaths EVERY DAY in WWII. In a nation that had half our current population, that must have been hard to stomach, but they did it.

I've read that total US service deaths in WWII were about 404,000. Sixteen million men were mobilized throughout the war.

41 posted on 02/03/2004 8:03:21 PM PST by BushMeister
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To: RJCogburn
When I was in Nam we were losing 500 a week. That's the difference in a 'Rat war and a GOP war.
42 posted on 02/03/2004 8:14:18 PM PST by kellynla ("C" 1/5 1st Mar. Div. U.S.M.C. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi!)
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To: Majuere
It's a shame we should lose one U.S. soldier in Iraq. Since George Bush couldn't find the real bully (Osama Bin-Ladin), he had to pick on the crippled kid down the street. GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!

Majuere Since Jan 31, 2004

What are you doing to ensure that we don't lose a life per day in D.C. or L.A. or N.Y., or don't you care about these lives?

43 posted on 02/03/2004 8:18:57 PM PST by marvlus
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To: RJCogburn
Why should even one American have to die to free even one individual in Iraq?

How could an evil tryant like Sadam exist if the people he tyranized truly wanted freedom, and were willing to die to secure it? He could not. Since the Iraquis were not willing to die to secure freedom for themselves, why should any American have to die to secure it for them?

Hank

44 posted on 02/03/2004 8:22:34 PM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: RJCogburn
See, I told ya war was a bad thing, but would they listen... NOOo. Someone needs to do something... what ever happened to the good old days when people settled their disputes diplomatically... huh?
45 posted on 02/03/2004 8:29:13 PM PST by Godfollow
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To: Majuere
It's a shame we should lose one U.S. soldier in Iraq. Since George Bush couldn't find the real bully (Osama Bin-Ladin), he had to pick on the crippled kid down the street. GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!

I hate to burst your bubble but most of our troops believe that what they did was a good thing. Why don't you offer to go and assist with digging up some of those mass graves over there. View the sad site of seeing entire families, infants included, buried often alive. Talk to the families, most have had a family member taken away for years or who has never returned at all. Yes, God Bless our troops. They freed a nation that from a leader who would put your family to death and charge you for the ammunition.

46 posted on 02/03/2004 8:31:26 PM PST by armymarinemom (My Son Liberated the Honor Roll Students in Iraq)
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To: Hank Kerchief
The main reason we are there is to erase the threat of the nexus between Saddam and terrorism. The bit about freeing Iraqis is pap for those who live in the region and particularly the Iraqis that we are trying to win over to our side. If there were no connection whatsoever between Saddam and terrorism, I guarantee we would not be there.
47 posted on 02/03/2004 8:35:24 PM PST by Godfollow
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To: Dr. Frank
"If Saddam was a "crippled kid down the street" why did we have troops in Saudi Arabia protecting that regime, and why did we spent tons of time and resources patrolling his airspace and occasionally bombing his country? "

Good question since 15 of the 19 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia including Osama Bin Laden and the Saudi government has helped fund extremist Islamic schools with further anti-USA propaganada.
48 posted on 02/03/2004 8:38:03 PM PST by optik_b (follow the money)
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To: RJCogburn
I mean no disrespect to the families of servicemen killed in action in Afganistan and Iraq but Vietnam cost 58,169 US lives, fifteen thousand of them in 1968 alone. It is an understatement to say our men and women are doing an amazing job.
49 posted on 02/03/2004 8:46:09 PM PST by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy.)
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To: RJCogburn
The losses are bad and these are great people who served their country, but the losses are still less than was expected if the Iraqis went toe to toe with us in geurilla warfare in the streets of Baghdad. At this point it seems to be more dangerous than it was at the peak of the conflict. I think we should try to get out troops out as quickly as possible and hope a democratic Iraq doesn't elect an Islamic muslim as ruler.
50 posted on 02/03/2004 8:46:37 PM PST by optik_b (follow the money)
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To: FreedomCalls; I got the rope
New York: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3855774/

Chicago: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-01-02-city-murders_x.htm

Los Angeles: http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/news/010304ap_nw_homicides.html
51 posted on 02/03/2004 8:49:27 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Majuere
What on earth are you smoking?
52 posted on 02/03/2004 8:55:43 PM PST by goodnesswins (For those Voting Dem/Constitution Party/Libertarian - I guess it's easier than using your brain.)
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To: Ranger
I was simply trying to show you where other posters were going with this issue. Why the nasty response?
53 posted on 02/03/2004 9:00:38 PM PST by Krodg
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To: Ranger
I don't think ANYONE on here is minimalizing the death of even one serviceman or woman.

The point trying to be made is we don't want a Viet Nam all over again. I, for one, WANT our troops to come back to a warm welcome...NOT like my brother had.

The media is to blame, NOT your fellow Freepers.
54 posted on 02/03/2004 9:04:50 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (BG (Logan's Personal Mafia Hit Squad))
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To: Majuere
Since George Bush couldn't find the real bully (Osama Bin-Ladin), he had to pick on the crippled kid down the street.

Ahhhh....another disruptor.

55 posted on 02/03/2004 9:05:41 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (BG (Logan's Personal Mafia Hit Squad))
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To: optik_b
I think we should try to get out troops out as quickly as possible and hope a democratic Iraq doesn't elect an Islamic muslim as ruler.

Yanking our troops out will bring about exactly what you fear. The people of Iraq need a model for a democratic republic. Seeing our soldiers every day willing to die for them, and willing to work hard to help them rebuild what Sadaam destroyed is showing the people of Iraq what FREE PEOPLE look like.

There are many terrorists who have come to Iraq to intimidate the citizens of that country because the people who support the terrorists don't WANT there to be a free country in the middle of the tyrannies around it. I believe the people of Iraq are beginning to understand this, and are going to help our soldiers root these people out because they DO like the taste of freedom; something they've not experienced in many years, if ever.

56 posted on 02/03/2004 10:37:29 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: optik_b
No, we need to stay and finish our job.

No half assed BS. If you care for those who died, don't let their lives be in vain. Now we need to continue to push, and it may even take a few years. But an uncontrolled and premature departure of US forces would be catastrophic. The US is still the glue which holds this whole country together. We are their Army, Air force and Navy. Their police, intelligence and counter intelligence. Just pumping money and stuff into the country does not suffice. You need an infrastructure that can work the issues, deseminate the stuff and provide stability. It's the US forces that currently provide the stability, training and resources for the Iraqis to develope their own Police, military, judicial system and government. Systems don't happen over night. People get trained and organizations grow/evolve. Without training wheels for a few years, they WILL toppel. There is too much against them. Seperatist kurish groups. Shia leaders who want an Islamic based state. Iran dabbeling in. Turkey which would possibly move in on the North. Iran that might even invade, given a complete rapid withdraw of Coalition forces. Volunteers from Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria, Al Queda and Chechen wierdos who for a plethera of reasons want to fight against the US. It's cheap and easy for them to travel there too! But it's all OK :) If we kill them there, we won't need to worry about them in NY will we? Actually, I like the statement made by one of our officials and critisized by some. "Bring it on". Because we can build bullets faster than they can breed.

Red6
57 posted on 02/03/2004 11:09:23 PM PST by Red6
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To: RJCogburn
Israel
Russia
Morocco
Indonesia
Saudi Arabia
Turkey
India
Kashmir
Pakistan
Kenya

Sure, it is all just us, just in Iraq, if we'd just leave everything would be peaches.

The above represents 20 minutes using Google, the tip of the iceberg. As far down as you want to drill you will find more and more. Anybody in the media keeping a daily running count? Didn't think so.

58 posted on 02/04/2004 12:35:34 AM PST by JasonC
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To: Everyone citing death tolls from previous wars, especially WWII

Would the United States be able to make that level of sacrifice in this era? I wonder...

59 posted on 02/04/2004 1:15:46 AM PST by jaykay (Proud to be an infidel.)
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To: Brad's Gramma
Bump
60 posted on 02/04/2004 1:21:36 AM PST by W04Man (Bush2004 Grassroots Campaign visit W-04.com for FREE STICKERS)
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