Fact: KERRY is the deserter!

Michael Kranish, John F. Kerry: Candidate in the Making, Part II, The Boston Globe, June 16, 2003. ^ | 2-3-04 | Jonathan M. Stein

[jmstein7]

John Kerry ought to adhere to the maxim

[jmstein7]

BUMP!

[XJarhead]

An "early out" is not desertion. He went through proper channels and the military both transferred him and then released him.

Agreed. But one of the things for which the Dems attack Bush is his early release from service. Kerry obviously isn't a deserter, but then, neither was Dubya.

[Williams]

Yes, but Mcauliffe said "You can call it AWOl or whatever you want, it's the same thing." Well we don't have to call it desertion but Kerry certainly needs this thrown in his face as well. I think he "deserted" his comrades when he accused them of war atrocities, having never seen one.

Can anyone summarize Kerry's tour of duty and injuries? I bet most people, like me, thought he was an army officer but I'm hearing he was in the navy. And posters are saying his injuries weren't serious. What really happened? Scratch a dem and you find 24k BS.

[RoughDobermann]

If KERRY wants to call BUSH a deserter for missing a physical, then what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

Has he called Bush a deserter?

[Enterprise]

There are thousands of veterans who got an early out from the Military at their own request, and logically, many of them would have been Republicans. There are many reasons for an "early out" request. The military doesn't have to grant such a request, but regardless, it is not desertion.

[jmstein7]

Yes.

[Your Nightmare]

Bush is accused of not showing up for his National Guard duty. Your saying Kerry asked -- under the regulations of the Navy -- to "opt out" of combat duty and it was granted by his superiors. These are two vastly different accusations (one's illegal, the other is not - one, if true, would be desertion; the other is not).

Your grasping at straws here. Drop it.

[RoughDobermann]

Yes.

Source?

[Blood of Tyrants]

No, but it shows that he was more than willing to shirk his duty.

[jmstein7]

No. I won't drop anything. As long as he (Kerry and the dems) calls my president a "deserter" for allegedly missing a physical, then, by his own defintion, he (Kerry) will be known as a "deserter" for ditching the men he commanded in combat on a technicality.

He didn't have to leave -- but he did.

[Chi-townChief]

BTTT (but recheck those dates)

[jmstein7]

SOURCE:

Michael Kranish, John F. Kerry: Candidate in the Making, Part II, The Boston Globe, June 16, 2003.

http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:W09CECkRl4MJ:www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/061603.shtml+%22boston+globe%22+kerry+charles+horne&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

[RoughDobermann]

Where in that article does Kerry call Bush a deserter?

[TankerKC]

Fact? We need a new definition of "fact" to fit this silly twist.

[faithincowboys]

God, I hope the Bush campaign calls me. I have a better way to dispense with Kerry than what you have come up with.

I have got to work for that campaign--not just stuffing envelopes, but strategizing. Kerry is so damn exposed.

Let him get the nomination and then let's knock the Hell out of him. The funny thing is, team Bush wants Kerry to get the nom. The Rats are so stupid. If we can't have Dean, let's get Kerry.

[faithincowboys]

God, I hope the Bush campaign calls me. I have a better way to dispense with Kerry than what you have come up with.

I have got to work for that campaign--not just stuffing envelopes, but strategizing. Kerry is so damn exposed.

Let him get the nomination and then let's knock the Hell out of him. The funny thing is, team Bush wants Kerry to get the nom. The Rats are so stupid. If we can't have Dean, let's get Kerry.

[Your Nightmare]

He didn't have to leave -- but he did.

You really should drop it. You're making a fool of yourself.

How many soldiers re-up when their combat tours are over? Some, but not most. They don't have to leave -- but they do. Are they deserters?

You need to stop posting things as "facts" when you have no clue what you are talking about.

[TankerKC]

one's illegal, the other is not - one, if true, would be desertion; the other is not

Who’s grasping at straws now?

[jmstein7]

I'm not dropping anything. If you don't like it, then stop posting to my thread.

[dwd1]

All of this needs to stop...

Desertion is a serious crime which neither Bush nor Kerry are guilty of...

Technically, if someone is faking injury, fatigue, or any illness to get out of hazardous duty, they are normally charged with malingering...

You can not say that someone who did their time and faced the business end of an AK-47 is a coward....

You can not say that someone who had any type of permission to be away from duty is guilty of desertion...

Desertion is about leaving your post without being properly relieved in a time of war or national emergency with the intent to not return to that duty... These terms are starting to be used a little to loosely...

Where Bush would have had a problem is if his Guard Unit had been called up for active service and deployment to Germany, Vietnam, etc and he had not reported in... "Missing movement" or "dereliction of duty" charges would have most likely been filed....

And everyone knows that there is no such thing as a band-aid wound where automatic weapons are concerned...

Let's talk about the real problems in this country and stop being a smear network... Our national debate needs to make us look like we are going to elect the best candidate... Not the candidate with the most dirt on opposing candidates or the best spin machine...

Military service is not a green light or red light for serving in high office...

Issues, ideas, character, and leaving problems better than when you find them...