Did Justin Timberlake just pull off Janet Jackson's Top?

CBS TV, Drudge, everyone ^ | 02/01/2004 | Me

[mattdono]

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Did anyone else see if Justin Timberlake pulled off Janet Jackson's top?

[donh]

The "hue and cry" is from normal people that have kids that are ticked off about nipples during family viewing hours. They have the right to free speech and they are voicing their opinion.

Indeed. Including their opinion that the FCC censure and punish all and sundry, at which point I get off the boat, because having a 400 lb gov't gorilla sit on you for artistic expression a very far cry from free speech.

[donh]

That you disagree with them about their outrage and/or their perceptional differences between a football game and an exposed nipple is absolutely irrelevant.

It may be irrelevant to arguments about free expression and the Constitution, but it is quite obviously relevant to this thread.

[donh]

Don't you feel it is a little elitist on your part to presume to tell other people what they should or should say?

Kindly site where I have done so.

Even after you have made your opinion know to them (which is your right to free speech) and they say, sorry I don't agree with you...isn't it arrogant to say that haven't debated you properly?

Excuse me, dinging me out of the blue, and then refusing to debate, is an example of ME being arrogant? Think again.

Citing Dr. Spock, as if he is the only person that ever wrote a book on raising children, is supposed to be your intellectual sledge hammer to convince someone that you understand raising kids better than they do?

Oh, come now. I did not cite Dr. Spock. I merely used his name rhetorically to try to drive the point home that there are some pretty questionable traditions that have grown up around cheerleading and football, at the professional level, that are uncomfortably close analogs to what JJ and Timberlake did. Why else were the powers that be able to pursuade themselves that letting JJ and Timberlake slobber on each other, breast-peep or no, in public, was a perfectly acceptable half-time show?

[GOP_Thug_Mom]

well, maybe I exaggerated a little (although all the simulated sex added up to a "simulated orgy"), but so did you! "As far from it as i could possibly comprehend"? ... I'd say praying before the Altar of God for MERCY is much, much farther. Or can you not comprehend that?

[Marysecretary]

You just don't get it do you? Too bad.

[paullark]

Exactly. I don't know why anyone would be offended by seeing any body part. If you're Christian then you've heard from the Bible that we are made in God's image. Why would anyone be offended by seeing a breast or penis or vagina. Children learn to be offended by watching adults.

I've seen things done with those parts that can be offensive, but just seeing a body part shouldn't be offensive.

[Eowyn-of-Rohan]

You said: "I just can't see how anyone could be offended by seeing a pretty girl's breast (except maybe some jealous fat women)".

Then you come back and say: If you're Christian then you've heard from the Bible that we are made in God's image. Why would anyone be offended by seeing a breast or penis or vagina. Children learn to be offended by watching adults.

Now, I must point out that those 2 comments are incongruent. If you are a "Christian", or simply a sensitive, thinking person, you should be able to see what is wrong with your first statement.

[Thug_a_nomics]

Hey i'm not french but your true about there french TV.
Your right about the trashy but that is from an adults point of view from our view it's normal The nip slip was a way to attract ratings becuase the chances are that if there is a boring half-time show then you'll change the channel and get interested in something else and forget about the super bowl so that was a way to get attention. Well know you know not to watch the Super bowl half time show next year.

[donh]

Puritan attitudes toward healthy, co-operative sexual expression = married sex only = fewer fatherless chidren = less poverty = less crime = lower gov't spending/taxation. Not to mention the number of communicable diseases associated with sexual incontinence.

Lets not forget loveless marriages held together by gynophobic family law and by the husband's absolute power to control and abuse his wife as he sees fit. Ever seen the bridle scolds that were popular in the puritan period? The cliterectomy tables? How about the pear gags? Know where the phrase "rule of thumb" came from? As for fatherless children, an end to the welfare state would put an instant choke on it. Puritans had illegitemate children just like everyone else, and no one knows how many, because the statistics have only been kept in the modern era, when the rise of the welfare state turns the illigitimate rate, and male abandonment rate from other causes, into background noise.

I think puritan attitudes towards sex served this Republic very well indeed and it is a pity we have abandoned them.

Not likely. The puritan agenda might be a boon to households run by rich, well-educated alpha males who may have been writing the idyllic dialogs on this subject at the time. But it must have sucked big-time for more marginally endowed.

I feel quite safe in suggesting that Puritan attitudes did not prevent illigitimacy amongst the poor, it just punished it severely. As for "less poverty" and "less crime" then in the puritan era--based on what evidence?

When it comes to statistics we actually know, absolutely nothing holds a candle to the rise of the welfare state for producing broken homes and child poverty.

What the puritan attitude produces, since it adheres to modes of behavior that are repressive of healthy natural inclinations, is produce unhealthy denial that can lead to dangerously perverted attitudes in the men who do not win the fight to become the alpha male of a family and neighborhood, and such epics of denial as has caused millions of people to think that public displays of half-naked writhing pubescence in aid of men committing mayhem on each other is just good clean puritan fun.

[donh]

Now, I must point out that those 2 comments are incongruent. If you are a "Christian", or simply a sensitive, thinking person, you should be able to see what is wrong with your first statement.

Now, where does it say in the bible that breasts are a horrible offense to God and to the community and must be covered up in public at all costs?

[Valpal1]

LOLOLOLOL, you sure can paint tar with a broad brush by judging traditional Judeo-Christian views by the excesses at the radical fringe.

And the Biblical impression that bodies should be covered comes from Genesis, where A&E first recognized their nudity, covered themselves with leaves and then hid themselves from God.

Then God made garments of skin and clothed them and booted their non-naked butts out of the garden.

No doubt if God thought public nudity was just peachy, he wouldn't have bothered with all that messy killing, skinning and tanning.

"unhealthy denial that can lead to dangerously perverted attitudes" This is a beaut.....Self denial and delayed gratification (some call it self-discipline) is the number one contributor to personal success and acheivement.

Man, you gotta quit reading liberal sociology and psychology texts. No doubt you think Alfred Kinsey and Margaret Meade published the unvarnished truth instead of engaging in hack science in pursuit of a political agenda.

[Marysecretary]

Too bad we have to do that, isn't it, Thuganomics? I wasn't watching it this year but I've certainly seen enough on FOX since. It wasn't just Janet either. It was the other fools they had up their dancing (??) and singing. They should know better than to have MTV do any kind of show for them. They're pretty sleazy.

If adults want to watch this sort of thing, that's their prerogative. But kids and other adults who don't approve of this kind of sleazy behavior are right to be angry about it. We're on a very slippery slope morally in this nation.

[donh]

No doubt if God thought public nudity was just peachy, he wouldn't have bothered with all that messy killing, skinning and tanning.

No doubt, if God thought seeing a breast was a hanging offence, he'd have mentioned it in passing when he handed down the rest of the laws to Moses. Inferring laws from tangential incidents is one of my favorite games too. It's so creative.

"unhealthy denial that can lead to dangerously perverted attitudes" This is a beaut.....Self denial and delayed gratification (some call it self-discipline) is the number one contributor to personal success and acheivement.

Self-discipline is a different kettle of fish than self-denial--stop trying to make your case by grabbing every social virtue you can think of and throwing it in the same barrel.

And what do you think delayed gratification that never gets rewarded leads to? Again, you draw conclusions about everyone, but you only want to examine life's big winners. A priviledged kid who grew up with fine tutors and was always fed and warm will profit from delayed gratification. Trying to lay this sales job on a illiterate ghetto orphan is a confidence game, and is only going to produce even more serial rapists.

[donh]

Man, you gotta quit reading liberal sociology and psychology texts. No doubt you think Alfred Kinsey and Margaret Meade published the unvarnished truth instead of engaging in hack science in pursuit of a political agenda.

As you could infer from what I have said here, were you reading it attentively, I am no fan of modern sociology. However, Kinsey at least offers up some data, and an explanation of how he collected it, for me to examine critically, like a reasonable scientist. What scientific data have you offered me in support of your theory that puritan attitudes are any healthier than more tolerant modern attitudes?

[Romans_3_23]

I know a sex offender (molested his young daughter). He has to be very careful about watching anything that might turn him on. Women in bikini's or underware turn him on. The half time show was not appropriate for anyone to see. Especially a recovering sex offender. P.S. the Sears catalog underware section was one of the 1st things he obsessed on when he was a pre-teen.

Some are ok with seeing a naked breast & not thinking anything more about it. Others... well we don't know how it effects them.

Young children (why did he do that? Is she really naked? "I'm going to have your clothes off by the end of this song") imitative behavior,

teenage boys (wow...I wish I was Justin and ripped that boob out to the public)or (where is that site?... I want to see the naked breast everyone else saw),

teenage girls (hmm... nipple ring,... bare breasts in public... Others have done it.. maybe I can too.)

Sex offenders (mmm...oh baby... turns me on, turns me on.)

It was more than a bare breast to most of the public who saw it. It was shocking and indecent exposure.

May our country deal with this harshly and never accept this kind of behavior as ok for public viewing.

[unspun]

There is hope, T_a_n.

http://www.biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?passage=ROM+5&language=english&version=KJV&showfn=on&showxref=on

[Marysecretary]

I know. Wouldn't it be wonderful to have this kind of music and entertainment instead of the trash from MTV? Sigh.

[Marysecretary]

I heartily agree. It's not just an exposure of one breast. It's the slippery slope we're on in this nation and if they can get away with this, they'll try something even worse. Some of the posters here just don't seem to get it. Having a singer grab his crotch and gyrate and imitate gay sex, etc. isn't exactly what I want my grandchildren or even my adult children to see. If they want to show it on MTV, that's their choice and people know if they want to see this crap, they can turn to MTV. Mxxx

[Marysecretary]

I'm also astounded at the stupidity of some of these posts. When are folks going to realize that if Janet Jackson and her ilk, and the other perverts who were gyrating around on stage, holding onto their crotches, imitating gay sex, etc., get away with this stuff on family TV, it will only get much worse. I don't want my grandchildren watching that kind of garbage. If you and your kids want to watch it, it's a free country. But when it's put on a family type show, it's a different matter. Go to MTV and watch the boobs all you want. I shouldn't have to go read a book and not watch television when I choose to. It's not just a matter of a breast; not anymore. It's a matter of decency on television and the slippery slope we're on right now. It can only get worse unless we speak up.

[Marysecretary]

I wouldn't care if I never saw a football game. Sports isn't what it used to be. Now it's all money, money, money. TV has corrupted this country, unfortunately, in so many ways. Too bad. It could be used as a force for good.