Catholic Archbishop of St. Louis (Raymond Burke) would refuse communion to John Effing Kerry

St. Louis Post-Dispatch ^ | 01/30/2004 | Patricia Rice

[rface]

This Tues. is Missouri's OPEN Primary - Repubs will vote in 'RAT primary.

[Little Bill]

I want the Bishop to cover the Alter, come out in Purple Robes and read John F'n Kerry out of the Church, Bell, Book, and Candle, in the traditional way, lying, obfuscating, opportunistic, commie that he is.

[lambo]

Catholic Archbishop of St. Louis (Raymond Burke) would refuse communion to John Effing Kerry

Because he's Jewish?

[rface]

Kerry is a Jewish French Catholic

[Cicero]

I might give him a blessing or something

That's pretty funny. Non-Catholics may not know that when Catholics line up to go forward for Communion, sometimes they have a little kid in hand because they're too young to leave back in the pew. The priest customarily blesses the kid, who is too young to receive Holy Communion, partly I suspect so the kid won't feel left out.

There's at least some implication in the bishop's comment that Kerry hasn't yet reached the age of reason.

[KQQL]

Monsieur Jean Kerry

Measure Number: H.R. 3396 (Defense of Marriage Act )
Kerry (D-MA), Nay

"I think there has been an exaggeration," Mr. Kerry said when asked whether President Bush has overstated the threat of terrorism.

Presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) blasted Pope John Paul II, telling the pontiff to keep his theology out of American politics when it comes to homosexual rights.

[MegaSilver]

Wednesday in St. Louis, Kerry said that he shares the Catholic Church's anti-abortion views as an article of faith. But as a public official, he said, it was not "appropriate in the United States for a legislator to legislate personal religious beliefs for the rest of the country."

It is impossible to equate abortion with murder on a moral level and NOT have that translate to a belief that abortion should be illegal... unless you perhaps believe that MURDER should be legal--which would violate the Declaration of Independence.

[xkaydet65]

Excellent point. The Church sees abortion as the taking of an innocent human life. A Catholic cannot say he/she accepts that teaching personally but not publicly.The Bishop has every right to sheperd the Catholic community by pointing out the hypocrisy of this idea of personal v. public attitudes toward abortion. A courageous direction for the Kerrys and Kennedys and Cuomos would be to state the church teaching is wrong and publicly leave the Church.

[Ciexyz]

But it's alright for the Church to grant Kerry an annulment from wife #1 even tho they had two kids? Isn't that hypocrisy on behalf of the church -- granting anulments to people of property so Kerry can go on to nab his next heiress?

[TheBattman]

would refuse communion to John Effing Kerry

I would believe it if I saw it with my own eyes. It's easy to say what you would do when the odds are against you being in that position.

[Lady GOP]

But it's alright for the Church to grant Kerry an annulment from wife #1 even tho they had two kids?

Wow hadnt heard that...how politically correct of JK.

BTW the press says Kerry votes dem to the left of Ted Kennedy..How can anybody be to the left of Ted Kennedy ?

By the way..His JK's wife is a weirdo. She looks like she doesn't have all her buttons. Anyone ?

[Republic If You Can Keep It]

as a public official, he said, it was not "appropriate in the United States for a legislator to legislate personal religious beliefs for the rest of the country."

Let me reword that for clarity.

As a public official, if he legislates against the teachings of the Church, he is no longer a Catholic.

I wonder what part of the above he doesn't understand.

[NYer]

Wednesday in St. Louis, Kerry said that he shares the Catholic Church's anti-abortion views as an article of faith. But as a public official, he said, it was not "appropriate in the United States for a legislator to legislate personal religious beliefs for the rest of the country."

"The bishop said that he acted for two reasons. One was to warn Catholic legislators that their unjust acts were spiritually harmful to them — "a grave sin." The other was to prevent "scandal": that is, weakening the faith and moral resolution of others by one's bad example. Having made every effort to persuade pro-abortion Catholic legislators to fulfill their obligations in justice to the unborn, Bishop Burke articulated the obvious: Any Catholic who exercises political power to expose a disfavored class of human beings to unjust killing sets himself against the very faith he claims to share. The Church cannot permit such a person to pretend to share in the faith he publicly defies. By receiving communion — the sacrament of unity — pro-abortion Catholics are pretending exactly that. The bishop has called a halt to the pretense."

Leading His Flock: Has the new archbishop of St. Louis crossed a line?

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[4integrity]

Read an article from frontpagemag.com that Kerry applied for an annullment but, after opposition from his then wife, he backed down. So don't think he actually got the annullment.
Interesting how Kerry believes he has the intellectual capacity and objectivity to personally be pro-life but professionally uphold laws re abortion but people like Miguel Estrada, Pickering and other conservative judicial nominees don't possess these qualities. Gee, Kerry must really be something special......NOT!

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

The gravely evil nature of abortion is not some private, subjective "belief" eccentrically idiosyncratic to Catholics exclusively. The results of a late abortion leave hard, visible evidence of a body which meets the standards of habeas corpus. When abortion was considered a crime in the U.S. before 1973 it was not because civil law had been captured by Vatican theologians. Kerry needs to do his homework all over again. What a moron!

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

John Kerry should be shown the actual remains of a partial-birth abortion. He should then be asked to DESCRIBE what he is looking at empirically, scientifically, and legally.

"So...um...Senator Kerry...ahem...how would describe what happened here?"

IT's NOT a private matter of "personal beliefs" or any other theological hocus pocus.

[4integrity]

Bishop Burke should hold classes for Catholic priests, pastors all across the country. I'm Catholic and I spoke with one of my parish priests re urging Catholics to do their homework before they vote for a candidate. The priest explained they could not tell people who to vote for...separation of Church and state. I responded I was not suggesting that the Church tell parishoners whom to vote for..but, I believed the Church should remind Catholics that abortion is against the teachings of the Church and, thus, Catholics should not support candidates who pro-choice. Further, Catholics should be urged to learn about judicial candidates before voting. If we continue to elect liberal judges, celebrating the true meaning of Christmas may someday be against the law. My parish priest agreed with my concerns but was not too anxious to address the issue from the pulpit. Needless to say, I felt discouraged and angry when I walked away from my parish priest.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

If we continue to elect liberal judges, celebrating the true meaning of Christmas may someday be against the law. 18 posted on 01/30/2004 5:03:15 PM PST by 4integrity (AJ)

Excellent point. They seem to be moving in that direction - that all public expressions of Christianity should be forbidden. Hey...isn't THAT someone imposing their personal religious and moral views on others? The idea that there is something wrong with Christianity in public...

My parish priest agreed with my concerns but was not too anxious to address the issue from the pulpit. Needless to say, I felt discouraged and angry when I walked away from my parish priest.

One can preach on the grave evils of abortion and the culture of death, describing the organizations and ideology behind this. Secular humanism as an ideology, and population control, are within the scope of pastoral preaching. The dangers to the soul posed by secular humanist ideology and its grave moral evils are in fact things which priests should discuss with the laity. Lay men and women can also organize themselves as Catholics to discuss how these social problems should be addressed. Parishes can also schedule prayer vigils and Eucharistic Devotion in reparation for the evils of the culture of death which imperil human life in modern American society.

[Salvation]

Kerry is a Catholic in Name Only (CINO) just like Kennedy.

Here are some other references for all to read: Catholics and Politicians:

The Deadly Dozen

Blood On Their Hands: Exposing Pro-abortion Catholic Politicians

Kerry [Catholic} says he'll filibuster Supreme Court nominees who do not support abortion rights

PETITION TO EX-COMMUNICATE PRO-ABORTION CATHOLIC ELECTED OFFICIALS

Catholics Kerry and Kennedy have a 100% Pro-homosexual Record with the Human Rights Campaign! Page 10,11

Kerry says he alone hasn't 'played games' on abortion

AS KERRY EMERGES, SO DOES CONCERN THAT AS PRESIDENT HE MAY BE DENIED COMMUNION

Archbishop Would Refuse Communion To Kerry [Sinning Ketchup Boy Alert]

PS. We really don't want this guy as our president.