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Rough Ride - Protect Our Border's - Fight Illegal Immigration {{{Ongoing Thread}}}
Southern Poverty Law Center ^ | 1-29-04 | Bob Moser

Posted on 01/29/2004 1:42:07 AM PST by JustPiper

Being I do not want this to be assumed as a vanity thread I am posting a legitimate article that was recently brought to my attention.

This article has upset me greatly. When the Freedom Bus Ride was ongoing, we had an ongoing thread posted by EternalWarming. On this thread I posted an after Freep report my daughter and I attended in Chicago. On this thread someone also posted an inflammatory picture which was removed but we tastelessly laughed at it.

We had someone, that obviously was a DU and threatened us but singled myself out, with reporting it to Southern Poverty Law Center that I in fact was a hate monger. As many poster's this person was a hit/miss. I attended this Freep back in June. And this article has a few paragraphs about me, one of which is exactly what I posted. The second, is apparently doctored and quite contrary to my post. I cleared this in order to be able to post it.

Credit to thecabal for the above logo

Today begins an ongoing thread to add your links, important news,legislative happenings etc. all regarding the protection of our borders. There are now so many articles and news stories that it is good to have one place to view it all.

I will start off this thread with saying I believe we all need to contact our state representatives and those is our party who need to know this is not a one-horse issue that will go away.I have stated that all it takes is one issue to start a domino effect and the entire administration could fall apart. None of us wants that to happen. We also need to contact the media and make sure the democratic spin on this is not for political advantage. This issue is closely correlated with the War On Terror for terrorist's are using our open border's against us the same way they used commercial flights to attack us on 911.

Being I do not want this to be assumed as a vanity thread I am posting a legitimate article that was recently brought to my attention.

Here is the story:

Anti-immigration activists confront a pro-migrant freedom ride — joined by some of America's leading neo-Nazi groups

Exerpted:

On the sparkling afternoon of Oct. 3, 18 buses carrying more than 900 Immigrant Workers Freedom Riders rolled into New Jersey's Liberty State Park. The riders, many of them illegal immigrant workers from Central America, had boarded the buses nearly two weeks before in 10 different U.S. cities.

Inspired by the 1961 Freedom Rides for black civil rights, they'd made more than 100 stops in small towns and big cities to promote their reform agenda: greater workplace protections, reunification of immigrant families, and a "road to citizenship" for America's estimated 8 to 10 million undocumented workers.

Some of the protests had been lonely, with one or two anti-immigration activists holding signs with slogans like "Being Illegal Is Not a Civil Right." But at upwards of a dozen Freedom Ride stops, the anti-immigration activists had been joined by members of the nation's largest white-supremacist hate groups — all of whom had come together for today's demonstration.

Their arguments often sounded similar. Like Turner and many hate-group leaders, the powerful Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) and Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) called for federal officials to arrest the undocumented Freedom Riders.

"Any event that advertises the participation of illegal aliens ought to be raided, and the illegal aliens deported," Mark Krikorian of CIS told the Miami Herald.

At a Chicago rally, where members of the white-supremacist Council of Conservative Citizens and the neo-Nazi White Revolution appeared along with members of mainstream anti-immigration groups, protesters held signs saying, "No more free rides. No more welfare. No more stolen jobs."

This is where I need to interject ...The first highlighted paragraph 'is' in fact what I posted in my after Freep report

For many of the anti-immigration protesters, rallying side-by-side with neo-Nazis and Klansmen was too close for comfort. "Turns out we were smack in the middle of a damn white supremacist group!" an anti-immigration activist calling erself "JustPiper" complained on an Internet chat site after the Chicago counter-demonstration.

This is obviosuly what the DU troll rewrote from the rest of my report for me and sent it to SPLC

But what really got under JustPiper's skin seemed to be the Freedom Riders, not the neo-Nazis from White Revolution. "[T]hese banditos kept screaming obscenities and threats at us," she claimed. "Lemme tellya, they were just coming with signs like cockroaches!"

I've posted thousands of replies and articles here and never have I said something so idiotic or silly like this. I have made a derogatory remark about illegals offhanded saying they were reproducing like some creature. And yes I posted they were yelling threats and obsecenities at my daughter and I. But we stayed silent holding our poster's in front of us. Also we left the group when a federal agent (This was in front of the Federal Building)told us we were standing by white supremacist's which means now both side's were scaring us and we went to stand with some police officer's who knew our dual plight. So people firsthand I am feeling the sting and I will not back down from the illegal immigrant issue!

Now onto links:

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Contact your local media and the following of your choice:

ABC NEWS
BOSTON GLOBE
CBS
CHICAGO SUN-TIMES
FOX NEWS
NY TIMES
USA TODAY
WASHINGTON TIMES
WORLD NET DAILY

LOU DOBBS -EXPORTING AMERICA

Scarborough Country

MICHELLE MALKIN

PAT BUCHANAN


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To: JustPiper
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181 posted on 02/05/2004 5:36:23 PM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Base to President Bush. Hello?)
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To: thecabal
A few years back, when I still lived in Oregon (you hear that Vera, I left!) I went with a friend to her daughters kindergarten performance. As soon as I walked in a teacher's assistant shoved a clipboard in my face and asked me to sign it. As the children's program had just started I said "later". I also wanted to know what I was signing. She kept shoving it in my face. I walked away. After the performance I asked my friend what the signatures were about. She told me that the school could claim that all the people that signed could be claimed as "parent volunteers" and they would get some government $$ for each "volunteer". I told clipboard lady I wasn't a parent. She said it didn't matter. Wow!

Sorry for briefly taking thread off topic.

182 posted on 02/05/2004 6:45:03 PM PST by Oorang ( "If you see a bomb technician running, try to keep up with him." U.S.A.F. Ammo Troop)
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To: JustPiper
On the aqua-mobile: Ladies and gentlemen, your next episode of "Monster Garage"! Those AOL commercials are hilarious.

I know I'm a mean SOB because each time I see a picture of the Coast Guard encountering Cubans I think about the opening scene of the Chuck Norris movie "Invasion USA".
183 posted on 02/05/2004 6:47:07 PM PST by NewRomeTacitus (There's a conspiracy to discount all evidence of conspiracies. Don't believe it.)
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What part of "illegal" don't Americans understand?
by Tom DeWeese

Tom DeWeese is the publisher/editor of The DeWeese Report and president of the American Policy Center, an activist think tank headquartered in Warrenton, VA.

Which side one takes in the great debate over illegal immigration policy is a matter of values.

Do you treasure a strong, independent United States of America as the beacon of freedom in the world? Are you proud to live in a nation where personal liberty and free choice led to the creation of the highest standard of living and the best medical care in history? Do you believe in the free enterprise system? Do you believe in the rule of law, based on the Constitution, as the only way to protect your natural rights? Do you believe that the United States is unique among any other nation or system on earth?


If you hold these ideals as truth, then there is only one solution to illegal immigration. It must be stopped. None of the factors that distinguish the United States from all others can be preserved if this nation erases its borders and ignores its founding principles, primary among which is the rule of law. Ignoring or sanctioning eight million or more illegal immigrants among us will destroy the fabric of the nation.


We are told this is "a nation of immigrants" to justify allowing illegals to stay here. That contention is wrong on two counts. First, the nation was created by settlers who forged it out of a wilderness. They were here for 200 years before the Declaration of Independence. The American Revolution was fought to end the usurpation of their right to rule themselves. They chose a then-radical form of government that allowed each individual the freedom to seek his own way.


Because the American experiment was so successful others wanted to share in the fruits of these new liberties. A growing nation invited them to prosper among us. These were the true immigrants. They accepted American language, culture, and values. The nation grew in size, wealth, and power. Above all, they came in through the front door, the famous Ellis Island and other ports of entry. They were welcomed, processed, naturalized, and made legal citizens.


This brings us to the second mistake in today’s immigration debate. Policy makers are confusing the issue, mixing legals and illegals in the same argument. Let us celebrate those who make the decision to come here by asking permission and undergoing the difficult task of becoming a legal American. Truly, one has to want to be an American to go through the lengthy process. These honest, hard working, new Americans are rightfully proud of their achievement and are free to begin their own American journey with the full blessing of the American people.


There can be no comparison between these immigrants and those who sneak into the nation illegally. What incentive does anyone have to take the legal route when the nation just decides to give up and grant illegal immigrants amnesty? The illegals work jobs with American incentives that include Social Security, free education, and medical care, all funded by American taxpayers. Unlike previous generations of immigrants, most do not care to learn our language or culture.


Those from Mexico continue to consider themselves Mexicans as, indeed, they are.

Contrary to the argument that they contribute to our economy, they send billions of dollars back to Mexico, helping that nation’s economy. At the same time, they undermine the U.S. standard of living by swamping our schools, hospitals and social services. They fill our jails for the crimes they commit.


A national disaster is brewing. In an effort designed more to appease Mexican President Vicente Fox and less to actually fix the problem, the Bush Administration proposes to grant a temporary three-year legal status to those who are already here, provided they have a job and pay a registration fee. They would be given worker documentation, presumably so the government could keep track of them and monitor their status.


Well it sounds good, but there are questions to be answered. If enacted, the 8 to10 million illegals would be forgiven and free to function as legal workers. In a nation that still has many citizens seeking employment, many of whom would have to compete with them, will there also be a policy to stop more illegals who continue to pour across the border? Having failed to stop the newly documented immigrant workers, will our nation now enforce our laws?


Second, if the Immigration Service can’t keep track of millions of immigrants already documented, how will they keep track of 8 to10 million "temporary" workers? Can we trust those who broke the law and slipped into the nation illegally to now sign up for the new program and provide accurate information? What will their status be after the three year probation period ends?


Finally, consider what the new policy will do to the American businessman. Every time government comes up with a grand new plan, somehow the businessman gets stuck with the paperwork and the responsibility for implementing it. This new proposal requires businesses to first document that no U.S. citizen wants the job before hiring the illegal. That means government forms must be filled out on company time. Businesses will now be required to keep track of these workers, a task which the federal government has never been able to do.


This massive, purposeful, determined invasion of this nation is being driven by the Mexican government whose president has made his position clear. He said all barriers between the United States, Canada, and Mexico should be removed to allow people to live and work in the country of their choosing. He wants a North American Union like its European counterpart. He wants no borders. He wants one economy. He wants the fruits of our system to bail out the rot of his. To that end, President Fox is deliberately encouraging his own citizens to leave Mexico and illegally pour over our borders to gain the benefits of our free enterprise system.


In this way, American enterprise and wealth is being tapped to bail out his Mexico’s troubled economy. A tenth of Mexico’s population now resides in the United States.


The United States signed on to the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) in large part to help the Mexican economy and, presumably, to stop the flow of illegal aliens. Neither has happened. Instead, Mexico continues to tax its business class to the point of suffocation, thereby killing job growth, while implementing socialist policies. In the 10n years since signing on to NAFTA, the Mexican economy has grown by only 1.2 percent


The United States is now faced with the disastrous results from the failure to enforce our immigration laws. We’re stuck with eight to twelve million outlaws. What are we to do? Build walls? Send the Army to the border? Do we deport whole families, leaving many American companies wanting for workers? The answer is yes.


It is not bigotry or hate or lack of compassion to defend of our national sovereignty, our borders, our cultural values, and our way of life. The key word in the great debate is "ILLEGAL" immigrants. Failing to understand this, it will only take a single generation before the United States is unrecognizable, lost to the flood of those who refuse to understand, acknowledge or obey the rule of law that made the United States worth plundering in the first place.


These illegal aliens are the first wave of an assault to erase our national identity, to prepare the United States to accept a borderless North American Union. If our nation fails to meet the challenge and make the difficult decision to maintain ourselves as a sovereign nation, then prepare for our lives to change forever. An America without borders is an America that will cease to exist.


Our federal Government will become a mechanism for filtering the dictates of an unelected governing North American Union Council headed by bureaucrats from all three countries. Our Constitution will be replaced with a new Union Pact. Our free market system will be regulated by the Council. Our tax dollars will be "fairly" divided among the three countries. Our legal system, unmatched in the world, will be transformed. It will be a new order, indeed. The vivid example lies in Europe today where some of the world’s oldest nations have abandoned their currencies, identities, and cultures to the European Union.


Do you want the United States to be a strong, independent, sovereign nation? Or do you want Vicente Fox’s vision of an American Union where the riches of the United States lay open to the ravenous appetites of feeding socialists. This is the real issue the United States faces under the debate called "immigration reform."

We can’t have both. The United States must either take on the difficult job of protecting its borders and national integrity by stopping the flood of illegal immigration or disappear.

http://www.torontofreepress.com/deweese.htm
184 posted on 02/05/2004 7:43:26 PM PST by JustPiper (D A M N I T O L Take 2 and the rest of the world can go to hell for up to 8 full hours)
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To: Ohioan
Thank you for the FYI, I was unaware of this group, but alot of Freeper's have informed me, as yourself, what a bad group they are
185 posted on 02/05/2004 7:46:04 PM PST by JustPiper (D A M N I T O L Take 2 and the rest of the world can go to hell for up to 8 full hours)
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To: Blake#1
No one is as blind as he that will NOT see!

So then when does your blindfold come off? ;)

186 posted on 02/05/2004 7:47:36 PM PST by JustPiper (D A M N I T O L Take 2 and the rest of the world can go to hell for up to 8 full hours)
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To: Blake#1
You can't be serious you need to really do your homework with the links provided here. The crime...wait a minute, why bother you have no desire to educate yourself apparently.
187 posted on 02/05/2004 7:51:36 PM PST by JustPiper (D A M N I T O L Take 2 and the rest of the world can go to hell for up to 8 full hours)
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To: Oorang
So very well put! Thanks!!!
188 posted on 02/05/2004 7:52:38 PM PST by JustPiper (D A M N I T O L Take 2 and the rest of the world can go to hell for up to 8 full hours)
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To: thecabal
I was so used to be alone here I didn't check in until 'after' I posted this as a post, I was told I do better at individual posts! LOL! Once again you and I are on the same page -g-

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1072438/posts
189 posted on 02/05/2004 7:56:00 PM PST by JustPiper (D A M N I T O L Take 2 and the rest of the world can go to hell for up to 8 full hours)
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To: Blake#1
You White Christian Males have created a "Heaven" on Earth here in the USofA.

Sure did play your race card didn't you?!

190 posted on 02/05/2004 7:57:02 PM PST by JustPiper (D A M N I T O L Take 2 and the rest of the world can go to hell for up to 8 full hours)
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To: Oorang
The reason I love this idea is after my maternal grandparents came over here, when my grandpa would speak Polish, my grandma would not respond and it frustrated him to no end. But she was very effective in teaching him you came to your adopted country, you speak its language ;)
191 posted on 02/05/2004 8:03:27 PM PST by JustPiper (D A M N I T O L Take 2 and the rest of the world can go to hell for up to 8 full hours)
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To: JustPiper
Rocket launcher found in Tijuana drug raid
192 posted on 02/05/2004 8:25:09 PM PST by knak (wasknaknowknid)
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To: JustPiper
bttt
193 posted on 02/05/2004 9:51:07 PM PST by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: NewRomeTacitus
"your next episode of "Monster Garage"! Those AOL commercials are hilarious"

Calling myself on this one. That's the Tuttle family from "American Chopper". They have done theme motorcycles commemorating Vietnam MIA's and firemen who perished during the WTC disaster that are true and functional works of art. These guys deserve credit and I apologize for the error.
194 posted on 02/05/2004 10:52:38 PM PST by NewRomeTacitus (Born to be Riled.)
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To: JustPiper
Hey, Piper; you posted Mr. Deweese's stuff. He is speaking so truthfully I expect him to keel over from "natural causes" any day now. Dare I say it, he kind of reminds me of Barry Goldwater. This isn't an era where manly men point out the obvious and make liberals cry and change their undies. But it should be.
195 posted on 02/05/2004 11:10:28 PM PST by NewRomeTacitus (Liberals are elitists in populist clothing.)
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To: JustPiper
Piper, check out this story:

Lord of the Rings star sparks rumpus over race (John Rhys-Davies)

Very interesting comments about the future of the indigenous and Muslim populations in Europe.

196 posted on 02/06/2004 3:11:05 AM PST by thecabal
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To: Happy2BMe
Bush ordered them deported. The Miami Cuban community threatened to jerk all 2004 presidential support out from under Bush's tushie. Anybody recall how that threat wound up working out for the illegal migrants?

It worked out fine for Bush, I don't know about the illegals. He has the Republican party faithfuls ignoring the fact that the borders will continue to be wide open; that the American taxpayer is over burdened by their crime, health care, and schooling. Those who worry so about Iraq care nothing that we Americans are facing the loss of our country to a nation of Mexicians, who will over power our voting system in five years, or sooner.

No, I'd say Bush has done very well for himself in that respect.

197 posted on 02/06/2004 7:00:44 AM PST by swampfox98 (Beyond 2004 - Chaos)
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To: swampfox98
"Those who worry so about Iraq care nothing that we Americans are facing the loss of our country to a nation of Mexicians, who will over power our voting system in five years, or sooner."

The Mexican voting block is the single largest voting miniority block right now - 2004.

Demographically, Mexicans will be the majority by 2020.

The latter will be accelerated depending on which way the political wind shifts in giving lip service to border control.

In other words, asta la vista la America - Viva la Mexico!

198 posted on 02/06/2004 8:00:02 AM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
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To: JustPiper
My reference to White Chistian Males was to the Westward Movement that settled the continent for the USofA. It was called Manifest Desteny. My great Grandfather participated. He left St'Louis in the 1840's and went west for oportunity. He crossed into Mexican territory somewhere in what we now call Nevada. He prospered! While settling in the new life he ran into opposition from previous settlers. One was called Senior Tancredo and the other went by the title Justico Piper (?). The two wanted to round him up and send him back to the USofA. They had a point.
199 posted on 02/06/2004 4:46:31 PM PST by Blake#1
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To: knak
Hmmmmmm authorities cannot figure how it got there hey? ;)
200 posted on 02/06/2004 6:16:25 PM PST by JustPiper (D A M N I T O L Take 2 and the rest of the world can go to hell for up to 8 full hours)
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