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So you think George W. Bush is not a conservative?
SOTU transcript ^ | 1/22/04

Posted on 01/22/2004 7:07:09 AM PST by Wolfstar

ED. NOTE: On Tuesday evening, January 20, 2004, the President of the United States gave one of the most conservative State of the Union addresses in at least a generation. For a SOTU speech, it had a remarkably short spending wish list. Instead, it had passages such as those excerpted below — none of which would have been spoken by a Democrat or liberal (i.e., Leftist), or even a "RINO." Check it out:

[BEGIN EXCERPTS: Bold/underscore emphasis by Wolfstar]

Our greatest responsibility is the active defense of the American people. Twenty-eight months have passed since September 11th, 2001 — over two years without an attack on American soil. And it is tempting to believe that the danger is behind us. That hope is understandable, comforting — and false.

[SNIP]

The once all-powerful ruler of Iraq was found in a hole, and now sits in a prison cell. Of the top 55 officials of the former regime, we have captured or killed 45. Our forces are on the offensive, leading over 1,600 patrols a day and conducting an average of 180 raids a week. We are dealing with these thugs in Iraq, just as surely as we dealt with Saddam Hussein's evil regime.

Because of American leadership and resolve, the world is changing for the better. Last month, the leader of Libya voluntarily pledged to disclose and dismantle all of his regime's weapons of mass destruction programs, including a uranium enrichment project for nuclear weapons.

[SNIP]

Nine months of intense negotiations involving the United States and Great Britain succeeded with Libya, while 12 years of diplomacy with Iraq did not. And one reason is clear: For diplomacy to be effective, words must be credible, and no one can now doubt the word of America.

Many of our troops are listening tonight. And I want you and your families to know: America is proud of you. And my administration, and this Congress, will give you the resources you need to fight and win the war on terror.

I know that some people question if America is really in a war at all. They view terrorism more as a crime, a problem to be solved mainly with law enforcement and indictments. After the World Trade Center was first attacked in 1993, some of the guilty were indicted and tried and convicted, and sent to prison. But the matter was not settled. The terrorists were still training and plotting in other nations, and drawing up more ambitious plans. After the chaos and carnage of September the 11th, it is not enough to serve our enemies with legal papers. The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States, and war is what they got.

[SNIP]

Some critics have said our duties in Iraq must be internationalized. This particular criticism is hard to explain to our partners in Britain, Australia, Japan, South Korea, the Philippines, Thailand, Italy, Spain, Poland, Denmark, Hungary, Bulgaria, Ukraine, Romania, the Netherlands — (applause) — Norway, El Salvador, and the 17 other countries that have committed troops to Iraq. As we debate at home, we must never ignore the vital contributions of our international partners, or dismiss their sacrifices.

From the beginning, America has sought international support for our operations in Afghanistan and Iraq, and we have gained much support. There is a difference, however, between leading a coalition of many nations, and submitting to the objections of a few. America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our country.

We also hear doubts that democracy is a realistic goal for the greater Middle East, where freedom is rare. Yet it is mistaken, and condescending, to assume that whole cultures and great religions are incompatible with liberty and self-government. I believe that God has planted in every human heart the desire to live in freedom. And even when that desire is crushed by tyranny for decades, it will rise again.

[SNIP]

In the last three years, adversity has also revealed the fundamental strengths of the American economy. We have come through recession, and terrorist attack, and corporate scandals, and the uncertainties of war. And because you acted to stimulate our economy with tax relief, this economy is strong, and growing stronger.

You have doubled the child tax credit from $500 to $1,000, reduced the marriage penalty, begun to phase out the death tax, reduced taxes on capital gains and stock dividends, cut taxes on small businesses, and you have lowered taxes for every American who pays income taxes.

Americans took those dollars and put them to work, driving this economy forward. The pace of economic growth in the third quarter of 2003 was the fastest in nearly 20 years; new home construction, the highest in almost 20 years; home ownership rates, the highest ever. Manufacturing activity is increasing. Inflation is low. Interest rates are low. Exports are growing. Productivity is high, and jobs are on the rise.

These numbers confirm that the American people are using their money far better than government would have — and you were right to return it.

[SNIP]

We're requiring higher standards [in schools]. We are regularly testing every child on the fundamentals. We are reporting results to parents, and making sure they have better options when schools are not performing.

[SNIP]

We must continue to pursue an aggressive, pro-growth economic agenda. Congress has some unfinished business on the issue of taxes. The tax reductions you passed are set to expire. Unless you act — (applause) — unless you act — unless you act, the unfair tax on marriage will go back up. Unless you act, millions of families will be charged $300 more in federal taxes for every child. Unless you act, small businesses will pay higher taxes. Unless you act, the death tax will eventually come back to life. Unless you act, Americans face a tax increase. What Congress has given, the Congress should not take away. For the sake of job growth, the tax cuts you passed should be permanent.

Our agenda for jobs and growth must help small business owners and employees with relief from needless federal regulation, and protect them from junk and frivolous lawsuits.

Consumers and businesses need reliable supplies of energy to make our economy run — so I urge you to pass legislation to modernize our electricity system, promote conservation, and make America less dependent on foreign sources of energy.

My administration is promoting free and fair trade to open up new markets for America's entrepreneurs and manufacturers and farmers — to create jobs for American workers. Younger workers should have the opportunity to build a nest egg by saving part of their Social Security taxes in a personal retirement account. We should make the Social Security system a source of ownership for the American people.

[SNIP]

In two weeks, I will send you a budget that funds the war, protects the homeland, and meets important domestic needs, while limiting the growth in discretionary spending to less than 4 percent. This will require that Congress focus on priorities, cut wasteful spending, and be wise with the people's money. By doing so, we can cut the deficit in half over the next five years.

Tonight, I also ask you to reform our immigration laws so they reflect our values and benefit our economy.

[SNIP]

I oppose amnesty, because it would encourage further illegal immigration, and unfairly reward those who break our laws. My temporary worker program will preserve the citizenship path for those who respect the law, while bringing millions of hardworking men and women out from the shadows of American life.

[ED. NOTE: The precedent for guest worker programs goes back at least to the Eisenhower administration.]

[SNIP]

In January of 2006, seniors can get prescription drug coverage under Medicare. For a monthly premium of about $35, most seniors who do not have that coverage today can expect to see their drug bills cut roughly in half. Under this reform, senior citizens will be able to keep their Medicare just as it is, or they can choose a Medicare plan that fits them best — just as you, as members of Congress, can choose an insurance plan that meets your needs. And starting this year, millions of Americans will be able to save money tax-free for their medical expenses in a health savings account.

[SNIP]

On the critical issue of health care, our goal is to ensure that Americans can choose and afford private health care coverage that best fits their individual needs.

[SNIP]

Small businesses should be able to band together and negotiate for lower insurance rates, so they can cover more workers with health insurance. I urge you to pass association health plans. I ask you to give lower-income Americans a refundable tax credit that would allow millions to buy their own basic health insurance.

[SNIP]

To protect the doctor-patient relationship, and keep good doctors doing good work, we must eliminate wasteful and frivolous medical lawsuits. And tonight I propose that individuals who buy catastrophic health care coverage, as part of our new health savings accounts, be allowed to deduct 100 percent of the premiums from their taxes.

A government-run health care system is the wrong prescription. By keeping costs under control, expanding access, and helping more Americans afford coverage, we will preserve the system of private medicine that makes America's health care the best in the world.

[SNIP]

One of the worst decisions our children can make is to gamble their lives and futures on drugs. Our government is helping parents confront this problem with aggressive education, treatment, and law enforcement. Drug use in high school has declined by 11 percent over the last two years. Four hundred thousand fewer young people are using illegal drugs than in the year 2001.

[SNIP]

A strong America must also value the institution of marriage. I believe we should respect individuals as we take a principled stand for one of the most fundamental, enduring institutions of our civilization. Congress has already taken a stand on this issue by passing the Defense of Marriage Act, signed in 1996 by President Clinton. That statute protects marriage under federal law as a union of a man and a woman, and declares that one state may not redefine marriage for other states.

Activist judges, however, have begun redefining marriage by court order, without regard for the will of the people and their elected representatives. On an issue of such great consequence, the people's voice must be heard. If judges insist on forcing their arbitrary will upon the people, the only alternative left to the people would be the constitutional process. Our nation must defend the sanctity of marriage.

[SNIP]

It's also important to strengthen our communities by unleashing the compassion of America's religious institutions. Religious charities of every creed are doing some of the most vital work in our country — mentoring children, feeding the hungry, taking the hand of the lonely. Yet government has often denied social service grants and contracts to these groups, just because they have a cross or a Star of David or a crescent on the wall. By executive order, I have opened billions of dollars in grant money to competition that includes faith-based charities. Tonight I ask you to codify this into law, so people of faith can know that the law will never discriminate against them again.

[SNIP]

The momentum of freedom in our world is unmistakable — and it is not carried forward by our power alone. We can trust in that greater power who guides the unfolding of the years. And in all that is to come, we can know that His purposes are just and true.

[END EXCERPTS]


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush; bushamnesty; sotu
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To: Mo1
If he uses an executive order to institute the illegal proposal (as a senators aid said he is planning to do) I will be absolutely convinced of it.

At this point I only believe it.
921 posted on 01/22/2004 11:51:14 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Constitution party here I come. Write in Tancredo in 04'!)
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To: Bikers4Bush
All I ever hear is, "it could be worse and if it is it'll be your fault".

You forgot "Go back to DU" and "Whadduya think things would be like if Al Gore was president"

Total playground BS.

Couldn't agree more. Ironic too, since the adults are in charge now.

I refuse be afraid of what might happen but I can sure as hell be concerned about what I feel will continue to happen if we don't say something now.

I won't be afraid either...in fact...it pretty much pisses me off. It also makes me wonder if most of the cheerleading crowd are former democrats-current neo-cons, who will be retiring(or will be retired <8 years), who could really give a damn about the real future of this country. a.k.a the "I got mine mentality"

922 posted on 01/22/2004 11:51:59 AM PST by BureaucratusMaximus (Principled conservatives need not apply...we're all centrists now. Shut up & pay your taxes.)
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To: MEG33
You are one of the few Bush supporters who is civil in this thread and who respects others' views. I thank you for that. As I said, I like Bush personally - alot - but that isn't the criteria I use when casting a vote.
923 posted on 01/22/2004 11:52:00 AM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Wolfstar
I think that's the Rove/Bush strategy - go hard to the center, they're trying to turn some of those blue states red, where the 2000 results were very close.

I too would like to have a comfort zone for keeping Dubya in the WH. Bottom line, he's still a damn sight better than any one of the Dems that are running, in fact, he may be better than all of them put together.

Now, let's focus on the congressional seats where we can make a real difference.

Despite our bashing, I have a lot of confidence that if a Republican Congress can put some conservative bills on Dubya's desk, he'll sign 'em.

Hell, he's signed everything so far, why should he stop now :-)

924 posted on 01/22/2004 11:52:11 AM PST by skip2myloo
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To: Mo1
Should we stop the war on terror??

Should we take back the tax cuts?


That's more of the reasoned response I had hoped for. No and no. I'm no Democrat so spare me the 'take back the tax cuts' BS. Lowering taxes increases long-term tax revenue. Peroiod.

The war on terror is a must. It's win or perish, just like WWII and the Cold War.

Cutting spending would involve, say, rolling back health and human services funding, cut the bureaucracy, consolidate programs etc. Hell, just freeze spending for a few years. What did we get? The Farm Bill, Prescription Drug Bill (I like part of it, BTW) and no restraint whatsoever in pork barrel add-ons. That just ain't conservative.
925 posted on 01/22/2004 11:52:15 AM PST by BJClinton (Vote Democrat, it's easier than thinking.)
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To: RiflemanSharpe
No one is claiming that he is entirely conservative. You have missed the ENTIRE point of this thread.

He has accomplished MANY conservative things in a VERY short time, and deserves to be reelected........and get the votes of conservatives.

If you can't handle the fact that your vote for a third party loser is the same as a vote for the Dem, then that's YOUR problem, because that's the historical reality of it.

If you can do that in good conscience as a conservative, and live with the possible results, bully for you.

926 posted on 01/22/2004 11:52:21 AM PST by ohioWfan (BUSH 2004 - Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
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To: My2Cents
Like I said, congrats on your dubious honor.
927 posted on 01/22/2004 11:52:45 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Constitution party here I come. Write in Tancredo in 04'!)
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To: My2Cents
Others have gone over the top, you have gone over and come down the other side only to climb up and do it all over again.
928 posted on 01/22/2004 11:53:36 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Constitution party here I come. Write in Tancredo in 04'!)
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To: Bikers4Bush
I do consider it an honor, coming from you. I'll stand by my analysis, and from the comments I'm getting from others, I've hit the nail on the head, thank you very much. The fact you're so upset about it tells me that the shoe fits.
929 posted on 01/22/2004 11:54:13 AM PST by My2Cents ("Failure is not an option.")
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To: Wolfstar
Actually, I do believe there is a considerable difference between the type of guest worker proposal of President Bush and the blanket "you can stay, here's your application for citizenship" amnesty President Reagan signed into law. The former does not automatically lead to citizenship, for example.

That's not what the Reagan Amnesty did.

The Reagan Amnesty gave green cards, making permanent residents of Illegals. Citizenship came later, it wasn't automatic.

The Bush Amnesty will give blue cards for a fee, making "temporary" residents of Illegals. Green cards and citizenship can come later.

The President's "automatic" dodge is a fallacy of equivocation.

The emphasis on "temporary" red herring. A President who won't deport Illegals now, won't deport legalized Illegals later on.

This President doesn't even take Illegals who've lost their deportation hearings into custody pending deportation. More than 100,000 of these deportable Illegals have absconded just between January 2002 and July of 2003. All were on his watch, and all after 9/11.

Like you, I don't believe the guest worker proposal is the answer. However, I don't know what the answer is given the current political climate in this country.

The solution, in large part, is self-deportation of Illegal Aliens.

They Will Deport Themselves

Eighteen Illegal Alien solutions that are better than any Amnesty

25% of Pakistani Illegal Aliens Deported Themselves since 2001 -
Facts against the Bush Amnesty

The false dilemma behind the Bush Amnesty


930 posted on 01/22/2004 11:54:29 AM PST by Sabertooth (Pakistani Illegal Aliens Deport Themselves - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1058591/posts)
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To: Your Nightmare
Bush has increased non-defense discretionary faster than Reagan by a wide margin.

I completely agree. Perhaps I mis-read your post. I took from it that you believe the Democrats controlled 'social' spending during Reagan's admin while the Great Communicator increased military spending.
931 posted on 01/22/2004 11:54:32 AM PST by BJClinton (Vote Democrat, it's easier than thinking.)
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To: MEG33
So again, how do they get citizenship without going through the proper process? I have been told that it's not possible even though I know that to be untrue.
932 posted on 01/22/2004 11:55:05 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Constitution party here I come. Write in Tancredo in 04'!)
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To: Ophiucus
That is just a bizarre and completely out of touch comment. What other President is recent history has shown more contempt for the UN? Bush has been fiercely committed to protecting US interests. Where does this globalizing and downsizing slop come from?

What other president went to Mexico and addressed the crowd with "fellow citizens of the world"?

933 posted on 01/22/2004 11:55:28 AM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Bikers4Bush
How about because the issue of illegal immigrants is finally being heard by the President. This wouldn't even be a hot topic if Bush had said nothing and continued allowing foreigner to illegally work here.
934 posted on 01/22/2004 11:55:30 AM PST by m1-lightning (Weapons of deterrence do not deter terrorists; people of deterrence do.)
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To: ohioWfan
Unless GWB abandons the amnesty and reigns in spending, at the very least. I can not in good conscience vote for him.
935 posted on 01/22/2004 11:55:39 AM PST by RiflemanSharpe (An American for a more socially and fiscally conservation America!)
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To: af_vet_rr; exmarine
Godwin's Law prov.

[Usenet] "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups.

936 posted on 01/22/2004 11:56:16 AM PST by Howlin
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To: gunner03
In the meantime, remember we have a President that doesn't attack the other side, but reacts to what he feels the people need. He may be wrong, but by God, he did something.

No, no, no - it's ALL BUSH'S FAULT!!! We must hate him and make wild accusations!!!

Sorry...forgot which side I was on. :-)

937 posted on 01/22/2004 11:56:30 AM PST by Ophiucus
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To: ohioWfan
Me, for one.
938 posted on 01/22/2004 11:56:56 AM PST by Howlin
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To: Bikers4Bush
Please cite an example of someone who sued to become a citizen and won.
939 posted on 01/22/2004 11:57:08 AM PST by m1-lightning (Weapons of deterrence do not deter terrorists; people of deterrence do.)
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To: RiflemanSharpe
I noticed that to. They do not try to refute the argument that Bush is a rino. They just say that if we do not support him we will get a dem. But the way things are going will we be able to tell the difference?

Abortion and military. That's about the only real difference.

940 posted on 01/22/2004 11:57:16 AM PST by BureaucratusMaximus (Principled conservatives need not apply...we're all centrists now. Shut up & pay your taxes.)
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