So you think George W. Bush is not a conservative?

SOTU transcript ^ | 1/22/04

[Bikers4Bush]

If he uses an executive order to institute the illegal proposal (as a senators aid said he is planning to do) I will be absolutely convinced of it.

At this point I only believe it.

[BureaucratusMaximus]

All I ever hear is, "it could be worse and if it is it'll be your fault".

You forgot "Go back to DU" and "Whadduya think things would be like if Al Gore was president"

Total playground BS.

Couldn't agree more. Ironic too, since the adults are in charge now.

I refuse be afraid of what might happen but I can sure as hell be concerned about what I feel will continue to happen if we don't say something now.

I won't be afraid either...in fact...it pretty much pisses me off. It also makes me wonder if most of the cheerleading crowd are former democrats-current neo-cons, who will be retiring(or will be retired <8 years), who could really give a damn about the real future of this country. a.k.a the "I got mine mentality"

[exmarine]

You are one of the few Bush supporters who is civil in this thread and who respects others' views. I thank you for that. As I said, I like Bush personally - alot - but that isn't the criteria I use when casting a vote.

[skip2myloo]

I think that's the Rove/Bush strategy - go hard to the center, they're trying to turn some of those blue states red, where the 2000 results were very close.

I too would like to have a comfort zone for keeping Dubya in the WH. Bottom line, he's still a damn sight better than any one of the Dems that are running, in fact, he may be better than all of them put together.

Now, let's focus on the congressional seats where we can make a real difference.

Despite our bashing, I have a lot of confidence that if a Republican Congress can put some conservative bills on Dubya's desk, he'll sign 'em.

Hell, he's signed everything so far, why should he stop now :-)

[BJClinton]

Should we stop the war on terror??

Should we take back the tax cuts?

That's more of the reasoned response I had hoped for. No and no. I'm no Democrat so spare me the 'take back the tax cuts' BS. Lowering taxes increases long-term tax revenue. Peroiod.

The war on terror is a must. It's win or perish, just like WWII and the Cold War.

Cutting spending would involve, say, rolling back health and human services funding, cut the bureaucracy, consolidate programs etc. Hell, just freeze spending for a few years. What did we get? The Farm Bill, Prescription Drug Bill (I like part of it, BTW) and no restraint whatsoever in pork barrel add-ons. That just ain't conservative.

[ohioWfan]

No one is claiming that he is entirely conservative. You have missed the ENTIRE point of this thread.

He has accomplished MANY conservative things in a VERY short time, and deserves to be reelected........and get the votes of conservatives.

If you can't handle the fact that your vote for a third party loser is the same as a vote for the Dem, then that's YOUR problem, because that's the historical reality of it.

If you can do that in good conscience as a conservative, and live with the possible results, bully for you.

[Bikers4Bush]

Like I said, congrats on your dubious honor.

[Bikers4Bush]

Others have gone over the top, you have gone over and come down the other side only to climb up and do it all over again.

[My2Cents]

I do consider it an honor, coming from you. I'll stand by my analysis, and from the comments I'm getting from others, I've hit the nail on the head, thank you very much. The fact you're so upset about it tells me that the shoe fits.

[Sabertooth]

Actually, I do believe there is a considerable difference between the type of guest worker proposal of President Bush and the blanket "you can stay, here's your application for citizenship" amnesty President Reagan signed into law. The former does not automatically lead to citizenship, for example.

That's not what the Reagan Amnesty did.

The Reagan Amnesty gave green cards, making permanent residents of Illegals. Citizenship came later, it wasn't automatic.

The Bush Amnesty will give blue cards for a fee, making "temporary" residents of Illegals. Green cards and citizenship can come later.

The President's "automatic" dodge is a fallacy of equivocation.

The emphasis on "temporary" red herring. A President who won't deport Illegals now, won't deport legalized Illegals later on.

This President doesn't even take Illegals who've lost their deportation hearings into custody pending deportation. More than 100,000 of these deportable Illegals have absconded just between January 2002 and July of 2003. All were on his watch, and all after 9/11.

Like you, I don't believe the guest worker proposal is the answer. However, I don't know what the answer is given the current political climate in this country.

The solution, in large part, is self-deportation of Illegal Aliens.

They Will Deport Themselves

Eighteen Illegal Alien solutions that are better than any Amnesty

25% of Pakistani Illegal Aliens Deported Themselves since 2001 -
Facts against the Bush Amnesty

The false dilemma behind the Bush Amnesty

[BJClinton]

Bush has increased non-defense discretionary faster than Reagan by a wide margin.

I completely agree. Perhaps I mis-read your post. I took from it that you believe the Democrats controlled 'social' spending during Reagan's admin while the Great Communicator increased military spending.

[Bikers4Bush]

So again, how do they get citizenship without going through the proper process? I have been told that it's not possible even though I know that to be untrue.

[exmarine]

That is just a bizarre and completely out of touch comment. What other President is recent history has shown more contempt for the UN? Bush has been fiercely committed to protecting US interests. Where does this globalizing and downsizing slop come from?

What other president went to Mexico and addressed the crowd with "fellow citizens of the world"?

[m1-lightning]

How about because the issue of illegal immigrants is finally being heard by the President. This wouldn't even be a hot topic if Bush had said nothing and continued allowing foreigner to illegally work here.

[RiflemanSharpe]

Unless GWB abandons the amnesty and reigns in spending, at the very least. I can not in good conscience vote for him.

[Howlin]

Godwin's Law prov.

[Usenet] "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups.

[Ophiucus]

In the meantime, remember we have a President that doesn't attack the other side, but reacts to what he feels the people need. He may be wrong, but by God, he did something.

No, no, no - it's ALL BUSH'S FAULT!!! We must hate him and make wild accusations!!!

Sorry...forgot which side I was on. :-)

[Howlin]

Me, for one.

[m1-lightning]

Please cite an example of someone who sued to become a citizen and won.

[BureaucratusMaximus]

I noticed that to. They do not try to refute the argument that Bush is a rino. They just say that if we do not support him we will get a dem. But the way things are going will we be able to tell the difference?

Abortion and military. That's about the only real difference.