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So you think George W. Bush is not a conservative?
SOTU transcript ^ | 1/22/04

Posted on 01/22/2004 7:07:09 AM PST by Wolfstar

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To: Nanodik
You evidently do, as you're the one saying Bush is more dangerous than a Democrat.
881 posted on 01/22/2004 11:35:56 AM PST by Howlin
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To: My2Cents
do you understand the term double entedre?

And there was a time when I was, but don't count on me changing my screen name just to suit you or anyone else.
882 posted on 01/22/2004 11:36:09 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Constitution party here I come. Write in Tancredo in 04'!)
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To: Wolfstar




Now if only some of the more rabid Bush haters on FR would learn the same lesson.

"Bush haters?"

Dang, I knew I forgot something...

On "Bushbots" and "Bushbashers"


883 posted on 01/22/2004 11:36:45 AM PST by Sabertooth (Pakistani Illegal Aliens Deport Themselves - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1058591/posts)
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To: Final Authority
Bush signed CFR, and that was an egregious error.

But, I think he was victim of a series of political miscalculations.

I believe Bush made a deal with McCain, because McCain has not criticized Bush or his administration since the ink was dry on CFR.

I think Dubya said, 'John, if you can get that bill to my desk, I'll sign it, provided you never speak against me again.'

Bush didn't believe McCain could get that bill through a Republican Congress, but he did - and Dubya had to keep his word.

And, I don't think the Republican Congress thought Bush would ever sign the bill if it got to his desk.

The next miscalculation was Bush believing the SCOTUS would overturn the law on Constitutional grounds - but, they didn't !!

884 posted on 01/22/2004 11:37:08 AM PST by skip2myloo
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To: Final Authority
"As you said, he will clearly also sign legislation abridging free speech, as the CFR does. He is not conservative, a conservative conserves the Constitution. He clearly will not do that. He clearly is not upholding his oath of office. I call for his impeachment."

No, I didn't say that Bush would abridge free speech, and neither did the Supreme Court say that, though if you have an issue with CFR you might start *there* since they are supposed to be the watchdog for such things (or does that not advance your petty little agenda as much as directly bashing Bush per your handlers' instructions)?!

But just to chap both you and your activist friends, if you do somehow manage Bush's impeachment, please note that I will be smoking a fine stogie with President Dick Cheney, laughing our arses off at fools such as yourself who would engage in radical fringe activities such as calling for Bush's impeachment that wouldn't even advance your anti-Republican agenda in the slightest.

885 posted on 01/22/2004 11:37:15 AM PST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: PhiKapMom
You shove it in our face if we don't believe 100% like the "true" conservatives then we are RINO's. This person is tired of taking that crap from you or anyone else on here.

Bravo. Straight and true.

886 posted on 01/22/2004 11:38:52 AM PST by Ophiucus
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To: Bikers4Bush
You are more worried about the direction of the country NOW than you were under xlinton because you KNEW that the country was being 'screwed?' Are you serious about that??

You are content to ignore the President's leadership in bringing back personal responsibility and morality?
You are content to ignore the strong pro-Life stance of the President?
You are content to ignore the rebuilding and reenergizing of the military?
You are content to ignore the strength of America abroad, the success in the war on terror, and the fundamental shift of petty dictators around the world because America has flexed the muscle of FREEDOM?

You may call yourself a conservative, Biker, but you don't share the VALUES of Conservatives.

This country went through eight years of hell, and you didn't even notice.

887 posted on 01/22/2004 11:38:57 AM PST by ohioWfan (BUSH 2004 - Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
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To: Southack
In the meantime, decades and decades will have passed...

A few more decades of the GOP and we won't be able to distinguish them from the Dumbacrats. Religious Freedom is already being assaulted by courts (while the spineless jellyfish of a GOP sits on their hands!). Ever hear of the Constitution - the exclusions clause (Art. 3, sec. 2). Congress has the authority and power to limit the courts jurisdiction on a number of issues - yet they don't do it. Why?

Our founding fathers pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor for their moral principles. Name one single worthless politician who will do that today! Sacrifice and honor and virtue - you never even hear those words today.

If you want to settle for the status quo...go ahead. I won't. I'll use whatever voice I have to influence change and a bolder approach. If the Presdient and Congress don't FIGHT for what is right, who will?

888 posted on 01/22/2004 11:39:00 AM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Sabertooth
Actually, I do believe there is a considerable difference between the type of guest worker proposal of President Bush and the blanket "you can stay, here's your application for citizenship" amnesty President Reagan signed into law. The former does not automatically lead to citizenship, for example.

In any event, as I said, I'm opposed to the guest worker program. Like you, I don't believe it will enacted, but will do all I can to try to convince Congress to drop it altogether. However, for me national security in a post-9/11 world trumps all other issues. There is no Democrat on the scene today who I would trust with national security.

As for the Eisenhower reference, you read more into my purpose than was meant. It was only meant as a reference to the length of time — at least — to which the guest worker precedent stretches back. As I said in #51, it actually goes back further, to the FDR administration. My point should be obvious — that this is not a new problem.

Like you, I don't believe the guest worker proposal is the answer. However, I don't know what the answer is given the current political climate in this country.

By the way, thanks to redistricting having been controlled by Davis and our Marxist legislature, my congress-critter is now Maxine Waters. Yuck! But I will be calling her office to ask what her position is on this issue.

889 posted on 01/22/2004 11:39:01 AM PST by Wolfstar (George W. Bush — the 1st truly great world leader of the 21st Century)
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To: My2Cents
What he said may have been conservative but what he has done on the domestic side has not been. He is a rino.
890 posted on 01/22/2004 11:39:13 AM PST by RiflemanSharpe (An American for a more socially and fiscally conservation America!)
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To: woodyinscc
Has the Patriot Act impacted your life, or is it the myriad of needless and nonsensencicle laws passed down by State and local Gov.?

The "know your customer" law is part of it. I have opposed it for years. We prevented it from being enacted for years. As soon as Bush did it, the same people who opposed it rolled. It makes me puke. And the other point about it not "impacting" me is nonsense. It impacts everyone. When the next Hillary type is in charge, it will be crystal clear to all.

I like my private schools private. So does President Bush.

Anyone who thinks vouchers come without stipulations is naive IMO.

If we get back to strong family's and charitable communities with no Gov. intervention, there should be no need of this.(I know I am being idealistic)

Wishful is a better description, Bush will never take you there, he thinks government is the answer to societal problems. He has said so on many occasions.

891 posted on 01/22/2004 11:39:22 AM PST by Protagoras (When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
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To: My2Cents
I know when the election is..... but didn't want to give them a clue.... lol


892 posted on 01/22/2004 11:39:30 AM PST by deport ( Owen, Kuhl, Brown, Pickering, Pryor, Allen.. [Estrada, they won])
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To: Bikers4Bush
Suit yourself. But it's a bit disingenuous to imply by your screen name something you are not.
893 posted on 01/22/2004 11:39:42 AM PST by My2Cents ("Failure is not an option.")
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To: onyx
Check out my theory in post #599 with your husband. I'm being challenged by one of the folks here who suffers from the particular mental illness I referred to.
894 posted on 01/22/2004 11:40:19 AM PST by My2Cents ("Failure is not an option.")
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To: BJClinton
Abortion won't make or break this country; out-of-control spending, debt and bankruptcy will

I agree that pork spending coming out of Congress needs to be control

But you do realize one of the big reasons for the deficit is due to the war on terror and the recession that Clinton left us with

Should we stop the war on terror??

Should we take back the tax cuts?

895 posted on 01/22/2004 11:40:24 AM PST by Mo1 (Join the dollar a day crowd now!)
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To: Sabertooth
That's because I believe that route is the only way temporary workers are eligile for green cards. The normal process for those working in the United States to become an immigrant requires that they are permanent workers.
896 posted on 01/22/2004 11:40:41 AM PST by m1-lightning (Weapons of deterrence do not deter terrorists; people of deterrence do.)
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To: doug from upland
FYI
897 posted on 01/22/2004 11:40:59 AM PST by MEG33
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To: exmarine
Are you wearing your jackboots and brown shirt? I think Hitler said something similar. I think you need to read the 1st amendment.

Godwin's Law : As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.

Sorry, couldn't resist ;-)

898 posted on 01/22/2004 11:41:44 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: exmarine
"Just keep demanding that they address the issues - that's what I do."


Some do, but many prefer to play ostrich and keep their heads in the sand, screaming "At least he's not Clinton!!", rather than actually addressing any of Bush's political and fiscal faults.

I've yet to see one single reasoned response to my multiple "He's already domestically (which doesn't count WoT expenses) outspent Clinton" posts. Just more BushBot, ostrich nonsense.

899 posted on 01/22/2004 11:42:07 AM PST by Blzbba
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To: Bikers4Bush
Oh, no......I'm sure my opinion is shared by a whole lot of others who see the nonsense of your statement.

It's an absurd and untenable position.

900 posted on 01/22/2004 11:42:07 AM PST by ohioWfan (BUSH 2004 - Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
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