So you think George W. Bush is not a conservative?

SOTU transcript ^ | 1/22/04

[Ophiucus]

lol - I see I wasn't alone in the public education comment. Hope it doesn't hurt at the bottom of the dogpile. :-)

[Bikers4Bush]

it's either going to take that or the GOP waking up and returning to it's roots.

[looscnnn]

"And that would be what??"

To quote you "It's kind of hard to miss .. it's been repeated over and over".

Campaign finance reform, Kennedy's education bill that he backed, the prescription bill, the amnesty proposal, stating being for extending the AWB, expanded spending of government (non-military/national security), not defending the Constitution, etc.

[zook]

I am so much more in tune with reality than you are that it's really funny. I guarantee you that the vast majority of "conservatives" in your neighborhood and in the nation will pull that lever for Bush next November.

And, frankly, I think those who say we should do otherwise should lose their right to post here.

[af_vet_rr]

Many Bush supports believe in party over principle.

The question is do many Republicans believe in party over principle?

[skip2myloo]

You mean Abe Lincoln ?? The Great Emancipator.

[Warren_Piece]

They do not bother me anymore. For all their frothing at the mouth, they make so much noise only because deep down they know their impotence. You could combine the Dean Left with the Go-Pat-Go types, the Libertarians, the CP, the Greens, and they wouldn't equal 10% of the Soccer Moms. They are outnumbered exponentially by people who are much more casual about their political views. The next president will be decided by people who will base their vote on who they "feel" the best about. Many (me included) will walk into the voting booth, close their eyes, and see that 2nd plane plowing into 2 WTC . Judges, abortion, immigration, RTKBA, taxes - all of these will fade away. The lever will be pulled, and the next day they won't give the bulging-vein crowd another thought. They'll go back to watching Survivor and American Idol.

No wonder the angry ones are so loud this year.

[Mo1]

Only if he refuses to act in the best interests of the constitution, this country and it's citizens.

Do you like he refuses to act in the best interest of this country?

Do you think he doesn't care about this country?

Do you think he doesn't care about the american people?

[Ophiucus]

It eliminates that frivolous Probable Cause thing

I guess you forgot to read it then - not the New York Times version, but the actual act...you know, the parts about showing cause, judicial oversight, and the other actual facts.

I'm all for it, so much so that I will speak out when GW, Asscroft, and their cronies use it to wipe their ass!

Are you sure you're in the right place? Hyperbole like that is usually found at the DU or the ABC newsroom.

[George W. Bush]

One of the talking heads(maybe Fred Barnes) said that there were more offers, Judge Pickering was the only taker.

Well, inasmuch as I can determine, you seem to be citing this post as your evidence:

One of the talking heads(maybe Fred Barnes) said that there were more offers, Judge Pickering was the only taker.

You know, this isn't even worth the time to demolish. I recognize that there was one recess appointment offered and one accepted. Freddy Barnes can manufacture any rumor he likes and I'll take it about as seriously as the same kind of stuff that the libmedia whores and Klinton spokesmen used to spin about how Clinton wanted to be more liberal but just couldn't be.

That Fred Barnes, a party-aligned journalist and GOP media fixture, may (or may not) have hinted that more recess-appointments were offered is completely irrelevant. Apologists and do can float all sorts of rumors.

Were you here in 2000 when we were told so many times how, if for no other reason, we should vote Bush if only for the judicial appointments? Well, okay, fine. Many of us bit on that one. But when we get right down to it, Pickering is the only Scalia-style judge we've gotten. The rest are shot down. Of the other 170 confirmed appointments, the Dims liked them just fine.

The judges we need are the ones the Dims won't approve.

I want my judges. And I ain't gonna shut up about it. Bush still has time to do it, right now. If he wants my vote, give me the damned judges.

One Scalia-style judge isn't a good enough reason to vote for Bush again. Let alone his lovely speeches about how much he wants to renew the assault weapons ban. Or his big domestic spending agenda to fund exactly those things that I have personally fought against for years.

[Republican Wildcat]

we're thinking about the future of the country

Bull. You don't give a crap about the future of this country. You are perfectly willing to allow the military strength of the country go down the sewer, surrender sovereignty of our national security decisions to the UN. You are willing to allow taxes to be raised $1 trillion+, and throw away any chance of getting Soc. Sec. privatized, failure to do so will put this country in a worse fiscal situation than can be imagined.

Furthermore, the Supreme Court will stacked with those of 9th Circuit mold for decades to come as the next term President will probably appoint 4 or more of its members. That could cause devastating long-term affects on our rights and on the culture.

So save your baloney about "caring about the country." You don't give a flip about this country. No one who has made statements similar to yours does.

[Mr. Mojo]

Honestly, I'm thinking we might be better off with a Dem president and a Rep congress.

Do you think a 'Rat would've been even close to as successful in prosecuting the WOT as Bush has been? Do you think a 'Rat would've cut taxes, told the Russians where they could stick their ABM treaty, highlighted the irrelevance of the UN, and signed a partial birth abortion ban?

I don't.

[Protagoras]

Very shrill, notwithstanding the "explanation". In fact, goofy, IMO.

[m1-lightning]

Honestly I believe all of them have their minds made up on who they are voting for and for *some* good reasons. I could care less who people vote for. I just dispise the misquotes and the misinterpretations of the President. This is an example of the half truths and political slander that propelled the CFR law.

[Bikers4Bush]

No, I'm aknowledging your attempt to strike fear into those of us who probably will not be voting for W by using the "dem's will win" tactic and acting as though we will be to blame as opposed to the man holding the reigns.

[George W. Bush]

Voting third party is legitimate. Staying at home is a dereliction of your duty.

My duty as you imagine it.

Fortunately, the Founders didn't believe in such nonsense. The historical basis for voting was that of the privilege of property owners.

This isn't Iraq. We aren't compelled to vote by some nutcase murderous dictator. And refusing to vote does send a message to the parties, one that they can read quite well even if FR's Bushbot contingent can't figure it out. This is exactly why Rove keeps talking about the three million who stayed home in 2000. As he should. Because it's largely his fault that they did.

[Mo1]

I'll give you the CFR, he messed that one up .. but at the same time, it's not the end of the world

As for the education bill ... do you think it's wrong to have accountability from the schools the make sure our kids are learning?

[Warren_Piece]

It was the gun-rights 'extremists' who elected the Republican House in '94. And they were far more effective in implementing a conservative agenda than anything Bush has done.

It was largely those same 'extremists' who defeated Gore in Arkansas and Tennessee in 2000.

Being from TN, I can tell you that guns weren't even in the top 5 of issues in either case. We thre Sasser out because he was a condescending wad of spit, and we didn't vote for Gore because, well, we generally like sane people.

[George W. Bush]

Why don't you change your freepname?

Because it pisses off all the right people?

; )

[Bikers4Bush]

His proposal allows them to pay some BS penalty and then remain here working while they will be permitted to pursue citizenship.

Follow the posts, it's all there in black an white.