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So you think George W. Bush is not a conservative?
SOTU transcript ^ | 1/22/04

Posted on 01/22/2004 7:07:09 AM PST by Wolfstar

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561 posted on 01/22/2004 9:50:51 AM PST by Neets (Dean Campaign Slogan: "I was endorsed by AlGore, and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt")
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To: Wolfstar
Rewarding Illegal Invaders with ANY possibility of Amnesty is NOT acceptable.

A bloated Federal Budget without concern for fiscal responsibility, and concern for the eventual bill is NOT accepable.

Campaign Finance Reform was NOT accepable.

These are core GOP tenets. Why are they now acceptable to compromise on, and where next will the so-called "conservative President" or his Ruling Syndicate yield and compromise on traditional GOP Party platform principles?

Is it on guns? Abortion? Will the next SC appointees be "centrists" like David Souter? Who really knows what the "political" plan is...

For a Party that controls -- YES CONTROLS both the Senate AND the House AND the Presidency, why is conservatism merely just holding its ground, or even retreating on certain issues??

562 posted on 01/22/2004 9:51:00 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: deport
Brit Hume reported that the very night Pickering was appointed.

But I guess he's a liar, too.
563 posted on 01/22/2004 9:51:15 AM PST by Howlin
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To: Texas Federalist
PhiKapMom is right. I wouln't compare Bush to Dole. I would compare him to his father, who lost his base, and the election, with the Tax hike.

If memory serves, didn't the elder Bush recently give TED KENNEDY the Bush family achievement award? What are they rewarding - how inexplicable is that? Does anyone take moral principles seriously anymore?

564 posted on 01/22/2004 9:51:21 AM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Neets
LOL! .. apparently so
565 posted on 01/22/2004 9:51:34 AM PST by Mo1 (Join the dollar a day crowd now!)
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To: novacation
The Bushbots really jumped you.

Oh, boo-freaking-hoo. You guys want the forum all to yourselves, and for your whining, take-my-ball-and-go-home-he's-not-gonna-get-my-vote-I-want-a-Democrat-to-win-that'll-teach-'em complaining about President Bush to either go unaddressed or be agreed with, is that it? Sheesh.

If you're going to dish it out, be prepared to take it.

566 posted on 01/22/2004 9:51:41 AM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (I love my Green Bay Packers! GO PATRIOTS!)
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To: carton253
I guess we will just have to agree to disagree -- I feel threatened by an intrusive government.

Say what you will about Jose Padilla, but admittedly he IS a U.S. citizen and he is being denied his Constitutional rights under provisions of the Patriot Act. It could happen to you, it could happen to me.

Frankly, the "I have nothing to hide" argument is weak - and has been debunked many times on FR and elsewhere.

Good luck - I'm glad you feel secure.

567 posted on 01/22/2004 9:51:46 AM PST by skip2myloo
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To: Wolfstar; All
I'll state it again as I did on a thread last night:

FACT: George W. Bush is not the greatest threat to conservative principles in America today.

FACT: The Democrats ARE the greatest threat to conservative principles in America today.

FACT: George W. Bush's re-election is the ONLY defense against a new onslaught of leftist ideology in the halls of government, in our courts, and in American society.

FACT: I think it's pretty well established that most of the naysayers on FR these days are 1) disruptors from the DNC who pretend to be Republicans who bash Bush; 2) disruptors from DU who pretend to be conservatives who bash Bush; 3) disgruntled Buchanan supporters who still hope that Pat hijacks the conservative movement and carries it back to the 1930s and '40s, and to about 15% of the US electorate; 4) the terminally crumudgeonly; 5) those who are still ticked off that most Freepers didn't support Tom McClintock in the California recall.

FACT: The naysayers spend more time trashing George W. Bush than they do trashing John Kerry, Howard Dean, John Edwards, or any of the other Democrats (which should tell you something).

FACT: I predicted back in September that the very same people who attempted to destroy the Republicans' chances of replacing Gray Davis would be sharpening their knives to destroy George W. Bush in the new year, and my prediction has proven correct -- you are precisely the same people, making the same tired arguments, but now targeting them at Bush instead of Arnold.

FACT: It's fine to disagree with Bush on any one or number of policies, but we've rounded the corner in this election cycle and now is the time for all conservatives to emphasize what they support about Bush's Presidency, rather than tear at each other over one or two single issues.

FACT: The Bush-bashers haven't said anything new in weeks; it's the same old mantra.

FACT: Jim Robinson has repeatedly made clear that, yes, this is a conservative discussion site, AND that it supports the re-election of Pres. Bush, supports the war on terror, supports the effort in Iraq, supports the President's judicial nominees, supports (in general) increasing the Republican majorities in Congress, all as the most practical means of correcting largely 60 years of leftist tilt in this nation. And...

FACT: These incessant criticisms of Bush go way beyond honest disagreements on policy, but have taken on an emotional edge which suggests that those who continue to gnaw on this particular bone suffer from the inability to step back, take a deep breath, and actually contribute something positive to the discussions on FR in particular, or the conservative movement in general.

568 posted on 01/22/2004 9:51:50 AM PST by My2Cents ("Failure is not an option.")
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To: Wolfstar
I think President Bush is the best president we've had in many decades.
569 posted on 01/22/2004 9:51:53 AM PST by TheDon (Have a Happy New Year!)
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To: BlueNgold
I find it amusing that the President who is vilified by the left as the most radical conservative in the history of the country is at the same time vilified by the hard right as a being nothing more than a Dem in Rep clothing.

lol - if both extremists hate him, then he MUST be doing something right.

570 posted on 01/22/2004 9:51:53 AM PST by Ophiucus
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To: looscnnn
Really, how can you bring them into the country legally if they are already here? Hmmmmm. That is kinda like "we broke the speed of light, but we did not move".

They migrate from Mexico in the winter to USA in the summer. Nice putdown!

Really, which crops? Can you justify that statement?

Apples, oranges, peaches, cherries and nearly every agriculture crop. Most fruits and vegetables need hand picking or damaged crop losses will put farmers out of business. In a world economy, higher costs equals foreign produce.

As for making unemployed pick, you going to have farmers pay their benefits, workmans comp and unemployment.

Once again, how do you have agriculture w/o cheap Mexican labor??? Still waiting.

Pray for W and The Truth

571 posted on 01/22/2004 9:52:27 AM PST by bray (The Wicked Witch of NY and Her (9-5) Flying Monkeys are In Flames!)
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To: carton253
They will freeze one's bank accounts for a couple weeks over transfers of one's money they consider overly large.

Depriving one of the use of one's own hard earned cash is pretty anti-freedom IMO.
572 posted on 01/22/2004 9:53:19 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: exmarine
If conservatives had voted as you do, with your third party nonsense, over the past 75 years, we'd all be living in a "socialist paradise" today.

And again, you would have had to have voted against Reagan to be consistent. I mean, he had an alien amnesty program, he failed to abolish the Dept. of Education, he let spending rise, etc.
573 posted on 01/22/2004 9:53:31 AM PST by zook
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To: exmarine
Grow up. What would be the standard for such an assinine excercise in prideful arrogance? My standard is the philosophy of the founding fathers, the Constitution and the bible. I really don't care what you think of my morality. How laughable!

Read this, and apply it to yourself, ex.

It is YOU who repeatedly call into question anyone's morals if they don't agree with you.

It is YOU who are guilty of 'prideful arrogance.'

It is YOU who think YOUR opinions are an infallible understanding of what the Scripture and the Constitution mean.

It is YOU who are laughable to all who read your arrogant condemnations.

All I did was to turn your own game around on you.........and you lost.

574 posted on 01/22/2004 9:53:48 AM PST by ohioWfan (BUSH 2004 - Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
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To: BJClinton
That's the number one litmus test for true conservatives: banning abortion. - Southack

"Gotta disagree with you there, the number one litmus test is fiscal responsibility." - BJClinton

Here's why I disagree: a liberal, such as the former governor of Vermont Howard Dean (who balanced every state budget and pinched pennies like mad) can be fiscally responsible and pro-choice.

Conservatives aren't pro-choice. We aren't out advocating the murder of innocent little babies in their mothers' wombs.

Yet your litmus test would say: Vote for Dean, a Planned Parenthood doctor, over Bush, the only President to ever sign a federal ban on abortion.

Thus, your litmus test is woefully flawed, with all due respect.

575 posted on 01/22/2004 9:53:56 AM PST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: RiflemanSharpe
There is no amnesty or new guest worker program ,etc.There is a proposal .The Congress must enact.If Bush does this on his own with no Congressional intervention,we'll talk.Please explain how others in office handled this in a way you approve of.
576 posted on 01/22/2004 9:54:05 AM PST by MEG33
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To: PhiKapMom
I am a lifelong Republican, conservative, and want to win elections not win moral victories. Moral victories don't get a Republican in the White House and Republicans in Congress -- they elect Democrats!

Or as Franklin might have put it... we need to hang together or we will relive 1992 separately!

577 posted on 01/22/2004 9:54:15 AM PST by Tamzee (W '04..... America may not survive a Democrat this time!)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
You guys want the forum all to yourselves

Ding! Ding! Ding!

They hate Republicans. They wish we would leave.

578 posted on 01/22/2004 9:54:27 AM PST by Howlin
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To: Sabertooth
"Why is he risking so much for something that is not only wrong, but wildly unpopular?"



Good question.

I don't know.

We can speculate.............

Personal financial gain?
Backmail?
Payback?
?????????
579 posted on 01/22/2004 9:54:37 AM PST by WhiteGuy (Congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press...)
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To: Mo1
Thanks for the ping, Mo1. Glad to see this post, but rather disgusted that some people can't give President Bush credit for anything he does right. They're indistinguishable from Democrats in that regard.
580 posted on 01/22/2004 9:54:37 AM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (I love my Green Bay Packers! GO PATRIOTS!)
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