Did God Create Carnivores on Day 6? Creationists believe that God did not create carnivores

http://www.godandscience.org ^ | 8/24/03 | Rich Deem

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The book of Genesis describes the order of creation and the kind of creatures that God created. Many young earth creationists believe that God did not create carnivores, but that some animals evolved or mutated to become carnivorous after the fall of man. Genetically, this is impossible, and if God somehow caused it to happen, it is never mentioned in the Bible.

I contend that the Bible tells us directly that God created at least some of the carnivores on the sixth day. Here is the relevant passage:

Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle and creeping things and beasts [chayyah] of the earth after their kind"; and it was so. And God made the beasts [chayyah] of the earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind, and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind; and God saw that it was good. (Genesis 1:24-25)

The text itself does not say whether these animals are herbivores or carnivores. However, we can examine how the Hebrew word (chayyah) is used in the Bible. Below is a table of all the verses that use the word chayyah and whether the verse refers to herbivores or carnivores.

The verses in which the eating habits of chayyah is unclear from the context have not been included. but on the seventh year you shall let it rest and lie fallow, so that the needy of your people may eat; and whatever they leave the beast [chayyah] of the field may eat. You are to do the same with your vineyard and your olive grove. (Exodus 23:11)

Speak to the sons of Israel, saying, 'These are the creatures [chayyah] which you may eat from all the animals that are on the earth. (Leviticus 11:2)

"And the cities shall be theirs to live in; and their pasture lands shall be for their cattle and for their herds and for all their beasts [chayyah]. (Numbers 35:3)

Even Lebanon is not enough to burn, Nor its beasts [chayyah] enough for a burnt offering. (Isaiah 40:16)

Then he examined it and said, "It is my son's tunic. A wild beast [chayyah] has devoured him; Joseph has surely been torn to pieces!" (Genesis 37:33)

"The beasts [chayyah] of the field will glorify Me; The jackals and the ostriches; Because I have given waters in the wilderness And rivers in the desert, To give drink to My chosen people. (Isaiah 43:20)

All you beasts [chayyah] of the field, All you beasts [chayyah] in the forest, Come to eat. (Isaiah 56:9)

'Moreover, I will send on you famine and wild beasts [chayyah], and they will bereave you of children; plague and bloodshed also will pass through you, and I will bring the sword on you. I, the LORD, have spoken.'" (Ezekiel 5:17)

"If I were to cause wild beasts [chayyah] to pass through the land, and they depopulated it, and it became desolate so that no one would pass through it because of the beasts [chayyah], (Ezekiel 14:15)

For thus says the Lord GOD, "How much more when I send My four severe judgments against Jerusalem: sword, famine, wild beasts [chayyah], and plague to cut off man and beast [chayyah] from it! (Ezekiel 14:21)

"And I shall abandon you to the wilderness, you and all the fish of your rivers; You will fall on the open field; you will not be brought together or gathered. I have given you for food to the beasts [chayyah] of the earth and to the birds of the sky. (Ezekiel 29:5)

"And I will leave you on the land; I will cast you on the open field. And I will cause all the birds of the heavens to dwell on you, And I will satisfy the beasts [chayyah] of the whole earth with you. (Ezekiel 32:4)

"Thus you shall say to them, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "As I live, surely those who are in the waste places will fall by the sword, and whoever is in the open field I will give to the beasts [chayyah] to be devoured, and those who are in the strongholds and in the caves will die of pestilence. (Ezekiel 33:27)

"And they were scattered for lack of a shepherd, and they became food for every beast [chayyah] of the field and were scattered. (Ezekiel 34:5)

"As I live," declares the Lord GOD, "surely because My flock has become a prey, My flock has even become food for all the beasts [chayyah] of the field for lack of a shepherd, and My shepherds did not search for My flock, but rather the shepherds fed themselves and did not feed My flock; (Ezekiel 34:8)

"And I will make a covenant of peace with them and eliminate harmful beasts [chayyah] from the land, so that they may live securely in the wilderness and sleep in the woods. (Ezekiel 34:25)

"And they will no longer be a prey to the nations, and the beasts [chayyah] of the earth will not devour them; but they will live securely, and no one will make them afraid. (Ezekiel 34:28)

"You shall fall on the mountains of Israel, you and all your troops, and the peoples who are with you; I shall give you as food to every kind of predatory bird and beast [chayyah] of the field. (Ezekiel 39:4)

"And as for you, son of man, thus says the Lord GOD, 'Speak to every kind of bird and to every beast [chayyah] of the field, "Assemble and come, gather from every side to My sacrifice which I am going to sacrifice for you, as a great sacrifice on the mountains of Israel, that you may eat flesh and drink blood. (Ezekiel 39:17)

"And I will destroy her vines and fig trees, Of which she said, 'These are my wages Which my lovers have given me.' And I will make them a forest, And the beasts [chayyah] of the field will devour them. (Hosea 2:12)

I will encounter them like a bear robbed of her cubs, And I will tear open their chests; There I will also devour them like a lioness, As a wild beast [chayyah] would tear them. (Hosea 13:8)

[xzins]

I'm a creationist and I believe that God created the animals that are now carnivores.

I'm not sure they were carnivores at that time, but there's a good case that can be made that they were.

One, even Adam had not eaten of the tree of life so that he would live forever. That is why the way to the tree of life was blocked for him.

Also, he was warned that the day in which he would eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil would be the day wherein he would die.

This implies that Adam had some idea of what "die" meant.

Since animals weren't considered as candidates for ruling the world, and they populated the world, it wouldn't be an unacceptable logic to think that only Adam had the promise of eternal life and that animals did not.

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Right which many freepers think animals have no promise of eternal life, I think there is evidence showing that they do...

[Jaysun]

I've always thought that Genesis was meant to describe who created everything, not give a detailed account of what, how, why, and so on. You bring up an interesting point though. To me there is no question that God did create the carnivores. When he created them, or at what point they began eating meat may be up for some debate - but in the end I don't suppose it really matters anyway.

[LiteKeeper]

All of the above references are post-Fall. There is no reason why the "carnivorous" "apparatus" could not have been in the DNA before the Fall...and "loosed" after the Fall.

[Alex Murphy]

Bump for later

[marbren]

In the Kingdom the Lion will eat straw.

[ReformedBeckite]

Not only are the references post fall, but I've noticed they are also post flood.

[HarleyD]

I’ve been meaning to response to your post but haven't had the time. I think you post some very interesting articles. I know from time to time you certainly have gotten zapped by some of our Freepers brethern. (Especially for that Mars’ thingy)

God created the Garden of Eden and place Adam in it to cultivate it. (Gen 2:15) The only ones in Eden as recorded in Genesis is Adam, Eve, the serpent and God although it talks about beast of the fields and birds of the air whom Adam named and one can only assume that they too existed in Eden in harmony. (I had a good verse on how they only ate grain but can’t find it now.) How long Adam was in Eden is pure speculation.

It is my belief that Adam lived in the Eden environment while the world was evolving outside. Hence the answer to xzin’s question; “How did Adam know what dying was?” he could see the process taking place outside the Garden. When God cast Adam out of Eden and into this hostile environment God created, I think this was to fulfill the curse which God foreknew or predestined (take your choice).

I'm not sure if animals had eternal life before the fall in Eden or if they will have it after the restoration. There is no mention of that in the scriptures. God's gift to man of eternal life is special and is acquired only by our asking our Lord Jesus Christ to take away our sins. I'm not sure how this would apply with animals.

God promises a new Heaven and a new Earth and we will reign with Him. Pure speculation on my part but I believe this new Earth will be a worldwide Eden where all things will once again live in harmony including animals. Consider the proverb:

“A righteous man has regard for the life of his animal, but even the compassion of the wicked is cruel.” Proverbs 12:10

God loves all His creation and someday soon He will restore the balance of the universe.

[xzins]

Really intriguing thoughts, HD.

I'd never thought of having the Garden be a "Safe Zone" within a created world that had different rules going on outside the "Garden" than were happening "inside" the garden.

Thanks. This is the kind of stuff that stirs up new ideas. I can think of a couple of directions to go with this. (PM -- what do you think?)
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