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Is Howard Dean the Next Harry Truman?
ComtedeMaistre

Posted on 01/16/2004 11:54:33 AM PST by ComtedeMaistre

In his recent endorsement of Dean, Sen. Tom Harkin of Iowa compared Howard Dean to Harry Truman. Many others have made the same comparison, especially with regard to Truman's angry 1948 election campaign. In liberal terms, this is supposed to be a complement.

But what worries me about the Truman legacy, is that so many decent, respectable, intelligent, educated, patriotic, and reasonable conservative Republicans, happen to be great admirers of Harry Truman. I have never been able to understand it. How could so many good people have a distorted view of history?

In his first term, Truman handed over half of Europe to the Soviet Communists, under Josef Stalin. In his second term, he allowed the commies to take over China, and he betrayed the Chinese nationalists who took refuge in Taiwan. In Korea, Truman refused to allow America's greatest military commander, Gen. Douglas MacArthur, to win an outright victory in Korea. In fact, Truman fired MacArthur. If MacArthur had been allowed to finish his job, there would have been no Vietnam War. And as the great Senator Joseph McCarthy revealed to the American people, Truman allowed the US State Department to be infiltrated with communists, from top to bottom.

Dean's admirers are correct in comparing his 2003-2004 campaign, to Harry Truman's divisive 1948 campaign. In 1948, Truman was deeply unpopular, and had no real policies to run on. His Democratic party had split into three parts, with patriotic anti-communist Democrats joining Strom Thurmond's States Rights Movement, and the more overtly communist Democrats joining Henry Wallace's "progressive" movement. With a weakened Democratic party, Truman decided to wage the most negative, divisive, and hateful election campaign in American history, that consisted of nothing more than proclaiming hatred for the congressional Republican Party. Republicans were called all sorts of names, and as Truman campaigned throughout the country, partisan Democrats cheered him on, and demanded that he bash Republicans some more, by chanting, "Give Them Hell Harry!". Negative campaigning worked in 1948, and Truman won a narrow victory over Dewey.

By 1952, when Truman was seeking a another term in office, the American people had by then come to learn of the real Harry Truman, and what a despicable character he was. Americans, including most Democrats, overwhelmingly rejected Truman, and he left office in disgrace as the most unpopular President in history. Truman's opinion poll ratings were even lower than those of Nixon at the height of Watergate.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Government; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Missouri; US: Vermont; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 1948; 2004; china; dean; dixiecrats; givethemhellharry; korea; truman
Dean hopes to win in 2004, by stirring up hatred and resentment against Republicans, in the same way Truman did in 1948. Did you all see the recent TV news clip, of Dean almost biting off the head of a 66 year old Iowa gentleman, who asked him to stop his politics of Bush-hating?
1 posted on 01/16/2004 11:54:34 AM PST by ComtedeMaistre
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To: ComtedeMaistre
To be fair to Truman, it was Roosevelt's sign-off on the Yalta agreements that turned Eastern Europe over to Stalin - Truman inherited a fait accompli. And he realized Uncle Joe's nature pretty quickly once he met him at Potsdam, and drew the line in Berlin and Greece. As presidential timber, I don't think Dean comes up to Truman's ankle.
2 posted on 01/16/2004 12:04:39 PM PST by Argus
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To: ComtedeMaistre
and he left office in disgrace as the most unpopular President in history.

That has to be one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever read here.

As far as MacArthur goes, and I will preface this by saying I think an awful lot of him, he was not only his own biggest assest but his own greatest enemy. Truman does not deserve the wrath laid upon him for his firing of MacArthur. Neither side of that coin handled what they should have been handling all that well.

3 posted on 01/16/2004 12:10:40 PM PST by ShadowDancer
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To: Argus
I believe Howard Dean is the next George McGovern.
4 posted on 01/16/2004 12:11:10 PM PST by FormerLib (We'll fight the good fight until the very end!)
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To: ComtedeMaistre
Posted on the wall at our local high school is a poster depicting people who "wouldn't give up". Truman is one of the gleaming examples by virtue of the fact that he couldn't even manage a hat shop but eventually succeeded in politics. It takes an acedemic to miss the irony in this.
5 posted on 01/16/2004 12:19:30 PM PST by CrazyIvan (Death before dishonor, open bar after 6:00)
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To: Argus
In his first term, Truman handed over half of Europe to the Soviet Communists, under Josef Stalin.

There were also those pesky facts on the ground. Like 20,000,000 Red Army soldiers, or whatever the number was. Uncle Joe could just take what he wanted.

Yalta was largely a recognition of reality. You can make a good case that morality would have been better served by refusing to recognize a Soviet sphere of influence in Eastern Europe. You can't make a terribly good one that it would have made much difference on the ground.

Although in 1944 Roosevelt could have probably abandoned the "unconditional surrender" demand and approached dissident German officers who would then overthrow Hitler and allow us in to help keep the Soviets out. I think that would have been the only real way to prevent a Soviet occupation of most of Eastern Europe.

6 posted on 01/16/2004 12:21:42 PM PST by Restorer
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To: ComtedeMaistre
Dean? For America? You must be joking!
7 posted on 01/16/2004 12:26:00 PM PST by Nick Danger ( With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.)
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To: Restorer
Well, its all water under the bridge, and (if I were smart) I'd probably keep my mouth shut, but ...

Patton wanted to go through Germany and right into Russia. The Russians were tired of the war, had suffered much, and probably would not have liked to face us. In addition, the US had massive industrial potential (plus more unrealized industrial potential) that could not be damaged by the Soviets. But their factories were within range of our bombers.

Plus we had the atom bomb. Plus we were positioned to attack them from both the East and the West. I'm convinced we could have taken them -- at the very least, we could have pushed them out of Eastern Europe.

8 posted on 01/16/2004 12:35:23 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (France delenda est)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I'm convinced we could have taken them -- at the very least, we could have pushed them out of Eastern Europe.

You're probably right. However, such a treacherous attack on an ally was not politically possible. Had Roosevelt tried it, he would have been impeached and removed from office. Also there is the trifling detail that America had not declared war on USSR.

9 posted on 01/16/2004 12:45:53 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Nick Danger
That is a great site! Are you invloved with it?
10 posted on 01/16/2004 1:06:43 PM PST by CasearianDaoist
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To: ComtedeMaistre
My first political memory is of Truman's 1948 whistlestop campaign.

I was four and my father took me with him to the train station so I could see, "That son of a bitch, Harry Truman."

12 posted on 01/16/2004 2:23:11 PM PST by metesky (TGIF! Time for some alcohol- involved posting!)
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To: metesky
Truman being compared to current Dem. PreZ. Hopefuls.

Seems apt.

Truman was a puppet of the organized crime syndicate in Kansas City.
FDR hated Truman, but knew he would die soon due to his sickness, so he didn't care about Truman running as his VP.

Truman was picked by the "men behind the curtain" because he was the only Dem. who didn't have an arrest record.


This is not to say that Truman stayed corrupt. He fought against the corruption and went against his puppet-master.

He (during his term as VP) drove around the country investigating use of the war funds on various projects (where UNIONS were sucking the money up and workers sat around playing cards), saving the country billions of dollars during the war.

Harry Truman was a character, that's for sure. Dedicated, hard-working, but a politician all the same.
13 posted on 01/19/2004 10:05:20 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: ComtedeMaistre
I also am forever mystified by Republicans who profess to admire either Roosevelt or Truman. They were good speakers, each in his way, Roosevelt had a very inspiring way of speaking, and Truman had his "everyman" way of expressing a thought.

But effective speakers are not automatically worthy men. The admiration most people still feel for these men has far more to do with how they made the listener feel, than anything they objectively did with the power entrusted to them. This puts them in the same league with Kennedy and Clinton, two more men who were good crafting a speech, charismatic, who were not worthy of the office they held.
14 posted on 01/19/2004 12:30:12 PM PST by marron
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