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Conservatives Should Support the President Now and in November Becauseā€¦
Jewish World Review, January ^ | January 13, 2004 | Martha Zoller

Posted on 01/13/2004 1:38:02 PM PST by quidnunc

…They Asked for His Kind of Leadership

You hear it in the coffee shops all over the "red areas" of the map. Everyone knows that is where the real politics is discussed in America. Conservatives are asking themselves, "What was the President thinking?" They might be talking about No Child Left Behind, or steel tariffs or the signing of many less than conservative bills.

In the coffee shops in the "blue areas," liberals don't sit around much. They are too angry and busy to stop for a while but many are thinking that President Bush is the most conservative president in years, since "oh, my God, Reagan," and he must be stopped.

Both of these assessments cannot be true and after spending years looking at politics, I took my first serious stand on a candidate in 1968 at the tender age of 9, if both sides are mad at you, you are probably on the right track. So why should conservatives and moderates support the President, now on issues and later this year at the ballot box?

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Based on the history of this President, we better not count him out till we see how things unfold. He is what conservatives asked for in a President. He cut taxes, got our economy going again and lives and breathes the safety of this country and the people in it. When it is all said and done, George W. Bush does what he believes is right for the American people and he is willing to stand on his record in November.

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To: AAABEST
His supporters, within this forum and without. They have this whacked mentality, nearly to a person, where they savage anyone who disagrees with their precious "with us or against us" semi-god. You can't even have a converstation with them.

I certainly hope you're not putting yourself forward as a model poster; if you are, you'll surely be struck by lightning.

You give just as good as you get.

Try not to be such a victim.

61 posted on 01/13/2004 3:15:48 PM PST by Howlin (WARNING: If you post to me, Tard and Buttie Fred are gonna copy & paste it to LP!!!!!!!)
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To: quidnunc


If you says so. It's just that when I read your posts in my mind I see Yosemite Sam hopping up and down.

62 posted on 01/13/2004 3:16:40 PM PST by Eris
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To: N3WBI3
N3WBI3 wrote: yup keep ripping on them then when in large numbers they turn out to vote for a third party (large enough to make a difference) don't cry about it. I will not be used the same way the Democratic party uses African Americans..

The far-left lunatic fringe vote against Bush isn't going to amount to a pinch of sCENSOREDt.

63 posted on 01/13/2004 3:17:14 PM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: jveritas
Barring some national catastrophe, I believe President Bush will win handily in November, regardless of the Democratic nominee.

Given this assumption, what better time to send a message to the Republican Party that conservatives are tired of Bush's moderate-to-liberal social policies, and we won't take it anymore?

When the total non-Republican conservative vote is added up after the election, it may make future Republican presidential candidates think twice before taking their base for granted.

64 posted on 01/13/2004 3:17:37 PM PST by redfog
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To: quidnunc
(http://www.stp.uh.edu/vol65/165/opinion/staff-eddy.html)

Oh yea nothing to worry about a poll taken nearly a year in advance cant be wrong.. Bush had double digit leads in polls leading up to the election in 2000, and won by a few hundred votes in flordia... why be worried..

65 posted on 01/13/2004 3:17:59 PM PST by N3WBI3
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To: erasmus605
The problem is, it seems we're still going in the wrong direction.

Exactly.

66 posted on 01/13/2004 3:19:46 PM PST by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Like it or not to the RNC flacks, conservatives are the spinal cord of the party. The GOP simply do not win elections without conservative support. So why do Republicans stupidly pander to "moderates" and "centrists" at the subtle insistance of the liberal media and DemocRats? Because the Rats know that conservatives will stay home when Republicans try to become me-too liberals and the Rats get elected. This charade has got to stop - the Rats do this all the time. Force the Republican to adopt a few liberal stances, which antagonizes conservatives so they'll stay home.

Um...

The first result is that the Republican Party is more unified than ever before. Ninety-one percent of Republicans approve of the job President Bush is doing. In 1992, Bush's father didn't have anything like that level of support, and even the Reagan administration was split between so-called pragmatists and ideologues.

Today's Republicans not only like Bush personally, they also overwhelmingly support his policies. According to a Pew Center study, 85 percent of Republicans support the war in Iraq, 82 percent believe that pre-emptive war is justified, and 72 percent believe the U.S. is justified in holding terror suspects without trial.

The Bush Democrats

67 posted on 01/13/2004 3:21:05 PM PST by Howlin
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To: quidnunc
Bump to that.
68 posted on 01/13/2004 3:22:26 PM PST by Howlin
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To: redfog
When the total non-Republican conservative vote is added up after the election, it may make future Republican presidential candidates think twice before taking their base for granted.

Please read #67.

69 posted on 01/13/2004 3:23:56 PM PST by Howlin
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To: quidnunc
If they're not Patsies then they're most likely to be Keyesters, Losertarians or Constipationists.

Aren't we cute. You have an insult for all sorts of groups and individuals, who put principles ahead of expediency; but not arguments against their arguments. I suppose "Keyesters" is supposed to be a slam against Alan Keyes, who I guess embarrasses you because he does not trim his sales to curry favor. I suppose "Losertarians" is intended as a slam against the Libertarian party, which takes stands based upon their honest beliefs, whether calculated to appeal to everyone or not. I am not sure what you mean by Constipationists, but if you mean those of us who believe the Constitution must be respected and adhered to, then you truly are beneath contempt.

You obviously would rather slander than debate. But you know what is funny? That may work with shy coeds in College class rooms, it merely makes you look ridiculous on this forum, where people regularly advance arguments, as well as insults. And those surfing by are usually able to determine who is able to argue for a position, and who must depend purely on the latter approach.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

70 posted on 01/13/2004 3:25:46 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: Ohioan
Ohioan wrote: (If they're not Patsies then they're most likely to be Keyesters, Losertarians or Constipationists.) Aren't we cute. You have an insult for all sorts of groups and individuals, who put principles ahead of expediency; but not arguments against their arguments.

You mean like referring to supporters of President Bush as Bushbots?

71 posted on 01/13/2004 3:30:35 PM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: Howlin
I by no means think that I'm so wonderful or nice. That's one reason why I don't evangelize, I feel I have no business doing so and only set a bad example. I wish it were different as I would love nothing more than to impart what has been shown to me to others.

That's not the thrust of my point however. I suppose an analogy would be if I go to say... a party and the attendees or especially the host makes it more than clear that I'm not welcome or needed, I'm sure as hell not going to stay. Especially if the punch is fouled.

72 posted on 01/13/2004 3:45:01 PM PST by AAABEST
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To: AAABEST
if I go to say... a party and the attendees or especially the host makes it more than clear that I'm not welcome or needed, I'm sure as hell not going to stay. Especially if the punch is fouled.

Are you under the impression that Repubicans and/or "BushBots" feel welcome here?

Do you read your own posts?

73 posted on 01/13/2004 3:47:25 PM PST by Howlin
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To: N3WBI3
I voted for Bush in 2k, now it was in NY so its not like it did a ton of Good but I am in MN now and its a bit more in play. With Drug Give away's, weakend boarders, gun bans, and a more than 60% incease in education spending I wont vote for him in 2k4

Just what my wife said. I however knew that the compassionate would outweight the conservativism. Sure he's heads over any Dem but as I have stated if you don't get out of the cartel you will get whatever is shoved down ya because there is no alternative. So it appears that 90% of the voters want higher government spending - they keep voting these trolls back in.

74 posted on 01/13/2004 3:47:38 PM PST by Digger
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To: tbpiper
Who is your viabale alternative??

Do you realize how many times that question has been asked around here? I'm not interested in starting the whole circle jerk again. You ask it as if this aspect hasn't been thought about and debated a thousand times before you even signed up.

I'm honestly not trying to be offputting or rude. I'm just done, that all. That's the word .... "done".

75 posted on 01/13/2004 3:49:10 PM PST by AAABEST
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To: Howlin
Today's Republicans not only like Bush personally, they also overwhelmingly support his policies. According to a Pew Center study, 85 percent of Republicans support the war in Iraq, 82 percent believe that pre-emptive war is justified, and 72 percent believe the U.S. is justified in holding terror suspects without trial.

You here are essentially talking about one item -the War. On this I applaud him. But liken a doctor, if he saved my life by an appendectomy does he have the right to charge me & my offspring aa exuberant cost over our lifetimes?

76 posted on 01/13/2004 3:55:05 PM PST by Digger
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To: N3WBI3
yup keep ripping on them then when in large numbers they turn out to vote for a third party (large enough to make a difference) don't cry about it.

Who's crying? Bush will win easily, and it's likely all third-parties together won't get over a million votes, less than they got last time.

DO NOT take FR as indicative of ANYTHING. Lots of FReepers predicted that Keyes would be the nominee in 2000.

77 posted on 01/13/2004 3:56:13 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: quidnunc
I was a BIG supporter of Dubya in 2000.

I haven't changed. Dubya has. He's decided he doesn't want my vote. Apparently, Rove has convinced him he can toss my vote (and the votes of similarly minded-Republicans) into the dumpster and that he will more than make up for it with votes won from cross-over Democrats.

Well, you know, Rove is the smartest man on the planet. The rest of us are ignorant, we just don't understand this high Machiavellan drama that demigod pols such as Rove play in.

I defer to Bush's superior judgment. He doesn't want or need my vote and he isn't going to get it.

78 posted on 01/13/2004 3:58:08 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: quidnunc
If they're not Patsies then they're most likely to be Keyesters, Losertarians or Constipationists.

Yeah, yada, yada, yada, blah, blah, blah. Stick your smug, childish replies where the sun doesn't shine.

Almost all the folks you're talking about voted for GWB (many with considerable misgivings) and hoped for the best. .

He won by a whisker last time. There will be myriad conservatives not voting for him this time.

79 posted on 01/13/2004 3:58:20 PM PST by iconoclast
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To: N3WBI3
Bush had double digit leads in polls leading up to the election in 2000, and won by a few hundred votes in flordia... why be worried..

Bush has higher re-elect numbers now than Reagan, his dad, or Bill Clinton.

The competition sucks. It really does.

80 posted on 01/13/2004 3:58:22 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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