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The Bush Democrats
NY Times ^ | January 13, 2004 | DAVID BROOKS

Posted on 01/12/2004 8:44:33 PM PST by neverdem

In 2000, the American electorate was evenly divided. Now, as we enter another voting season, the Gallup Organization has released a study, based on 40,000 interviews, that shows that 45.5 percent of voters identify with or lean toward the Republican Party and 45.2 percent identify with or lean toward the Democratic Party.

So is that it? After Sept. 11, the Iraq war and the Madonna-Britney kiss, could it really be that we are back to where we started? Since 2000, tens of millions of people have moved, divorced and converted; can it really be that everything in America changes except politics?

Yes and no. Yes, the political divides today do look a lot like the ones that split the nation in 2000. But no. When you look beneath the headline data, you see at least one important change. The events of the past three years have brought to the foreground issues that divide Democrats, and pushed to the background issues that divide Republicans.

The first result is that the Republican Party is more unified than ever before. Ninety-one percent of Republicans approve of the job President Bush is doing. In 1992, Bush's father didn't have anything like that level of support, and even the Reagan administration was split between so-called pragmatists and ideologues.

Today's Republicans not only like Bush personally, they also overwhelmingly support his policies. According to a Pew Center study, 85 percent of Republicans support the war in Iraq, 82 percent believe that pre-emptive war is justified, and 72 percent believe the U.S. is justified in holding terror suspects without trial.

The Democrats, meanwhile, are divided on all these issues. According to the same Pew survey, 54 percent of Democrats oppose the war in Iraq, but 39 percent support it. Forty-four percent of Democrats oppose the pre-emptive war doctrine, but 52 percent support it. Forty-seven percent of Democrats oppose holding terror suspects without trial, but 46 percent are in favor.

Liberals have all the passion these days. They dominate campaign events in Iowa and New Hampshire, but they have not won over half the voters in their own party.

The Democrats are also divided on major domestic issues. The Democratic pollster Stanley Greenberg surveyed Democrats in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina. Democrats there were split on Nafta and gay marriage and on whether to roll back all the Bush tax cuts.

The biggest divide among Democrats is metaphysical. Some portion of the party, led by Howard Dean, is so disgusted by Republicans that it does not believe it is possible to work with such people. Meanwhile, others, including Dick Gephardt, John Kerry and Hillary Clinton, accept that Republicans are in power, are willing to work with them and take a starkly different approach to politics.

This situation — Republican unity and Democratic fissures — means that the Democratic vote is less cohesive than the G.O.P. vote, at least on the presidential level. In a Bush-Dean matchup, 20 percent of Democrats would vote for Bush, according to a CBS poll, while only 3 percent of Republicans would vote for Dean. Over all, Bush leads Dean by 20 points. And in Iowa and New Hampshire, swing states where voters know both candidates well, Bush is up by significant margins.

In other words, at least at the moment, Bush has crashed through the 45/45 partisan divide. He is a polarizing figure, but there are many more people who support him than oppose him. And this support is not merely personal; it is built into the issue landscape. According to an ABC/Washington Post poll, 57 percent of Americans say they are more likely to support a candidate who supported going to war in Iraq, while only 35 percent say they would be less likely. According to Pew, 59 percent believe that the war in Iraq has helped in the broader war on terror.

All of this means two things. First, as we dive into this period of intense Democratic primary competition, it's worth keeping in mind that Democratic primary voters are a misleading snapshot of the electorate as a whole. Second, while the nation remains closely divided over all, and gravitational pressures will cause the general election to tighten, it is wrong to think that the electorate is fixed. There are millions of people who may lean toward one party or another, but who can be persuaded to support either presidential candidate.

At the moment, many are supporting Bush.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2004; bushdemocrats; davidbrooks; democraticprimary; electionpresident; preselection; republicanprimary
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45.5 versus 45.2 rats and the pubbies have a greater tendency to vote. I like that bet.
1 posted on 01/12/2004 8:44:33 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
...while only 3 percent of Republicans would vote for Dean.

So are 3 percent of Republicans Rinos, or is the margin of error for the poll?

2 posted on 01/12/2004 8:55:09 PM PST by Between the Lines ("What Goes Into the Mind Comes Out in a Life")
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To: neverdem
This story is in the NY Times. It must have been buried with the "brassieres and girdles".
3 posted on 01/12/2004 8:59:28 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: neverdem
I was a Bush Democrat and doggone proud of it ! I worked very hard to elect Bush in the last election. I was one of about five registered Democrats that worked long hours in Republican Hdq. Long Beach, California to elect him.

I will soon register as a Republican. I am proud of Bush and his foreign policy victories !

4 posted on 01/12/2004 9:02:22 PM PST by ex-Texan
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To: Between the Lines
...while only 3 percent of Republicans would vote for Dean.

Those are the ones that are here on FR screaming that they'd rather have Dean than vote for Bush.

5 posted on 01/12/2004 9:06:03 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Between the Lines

Just as President Bush antagonizes many leftists he also has that effect on some of his own party. It's possible to be a conservative and oppose the war strongly enough to vote against President Bush. Likewise the policies of pre-emption and setting up a gulag in cuba and alienation of our former european allies also serve as a deal breaker. And recently you can add in the giant socialist expansion of medicare, the incredible mountain of debt the republicans have ammassed (shades of california anyone, and so much for the compact with America, where for art thou Newt?), and the same pandering to latino voters that cost Govenor Davis his job and there's plenty of excuses for ANYONE to vote against President Bush.

But aside from the patriot act and gitmo I strongly approve of how this country has prosecuted the war on terror, and while the deficit is a worry President Bush has bent over backwards to get the economy out of the Clinton recession so the overall good outweighs the negatives, for me at least. 3% of Republicans seem to feel otherwise.

IMHO of course.

6 posted on 01/12/2004 9:22:17 PM PST by pcx99
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To: neverdem
What is amazing is the lack of information of the Trend in two-party politics since Clinton was elected. The Democrats held about 6000 of nearly 9000 seats at the State/Federal congress/senate/Gov-Pres level but today that is reveresed to about Repbulicans hold 5800 of the 9000 - Something I've read but may be incorrect about.

Issues such as gay rights and NAFTA which this articles states has Democrats evenly split (its probably something like 65% against and 35% for), the Republicans are something like (90% against and less than 10% for gay agenda(s) and 60-40% on NAFTA). The great divide in the Democrat party is clearly at the point of religion, in which they are viewed as supporting alternative religious worship but fully politically against Christianity (This Country was built on Freedom of Religion and not Freedom from Religion); Socalists do not get along with religion very well as can be seen in EUrope and other fully communist states. Discrediting religion is the key to socialist victory; today Bush has made a low level issue of Christian values and he leads this swing vote without opposition.

7 posted on 01/12/2004 9:33:29 PM PST by Jumper
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To: pcx99
alienation of our former european allies

You mean the alienation of the Socialist, Eurotrash triumverate of Germany, France and Russia, while most of the rest of the continent supported us.

8 posted on 01/12/2004 9:40:34 PM PST by Clemenza (East side, West side, all around the town. Tripping the light fantastic on the sidewalks of New York)
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To: Howlin
lol howlin:) you nailed that one right on the head. I received my thank you letter from the Bush-Cheny team today. it's money well donated and im planning on helping out in the election. I also recieved a thank you letter for the donation i made in my socialist MILaws name last month lol.
9 posted on 01/12/2004 10:13:23 PM PST by suzyq5558 (WARNING! this tagline does not dial 911..........)
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To: ex-Texan
Thank you for your service to electing someone we're proud of. This time around, with your help, California will vote for Bush.
10 posted on 01/12/2004 10:25:41 PM PST by winner3000
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To: Howlin
Do you mean the "base"? LOL
11 posted on 01/12/2004 10:33:23 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Paleo Conservative
Nah, Brooks is their new attempt at "fair and balanced" and he's on the editorial page.

But it figures they'd find a moderate to be a conservative.
12 posted on 01/12/2004 10:36:19 PM PST by Fledermaus (We gave the Saudi terrorist VISAS, let's make them guest workers now also!)
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To: Texasforever
Yes, this 'base':


13 posted on 01/12/2004 10:39:43 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Paleo Conservative; neverdem
This story is in the NY Times. It must have been buried with the "brassieres and girdles".

That's where neverdem found it!

14 posted on 01/12/2004 10:51:56 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Imagine a world without hypotheticals.)
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To: neverdem
I'm not generally a betting man. Yes, I dream about what it would be like to win the lottery, but I'll never do that if I don't buy a ticket, and it's been longer than a year since I had a 'chance.'

There is a great number of Bush-Bashers who are highly motivated to vote, and to get out the vote. And there are a fair number of core Republican voters who are dissatisfied with the job Bush is doing with immigration issues, free speech issues, and the runaway budget.

With a weak Rat candidate, we're back to 1992. The door is open to a third party to step in, draw away those who are concerned over the deficit and immigration, and Perot the election to someone unexpected.

Yes, things look good at the moment, but that could change in weeks.
15 posted on 01/12/2004 11:03:57 PM PST by kingu (Remember: Politicians and members of the press are going to read what you write today.)
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To: kingu
There is a Gallup poll posted here that shows Bush with 95% strong support from Republicans and 20% support from Democrats. There may be a 3rd party challenge, there always is but it will have no effect on the election. I think you would lose your bet.
16 posted on 01/12/2004 11:08:26 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: neverdem
True, but you do have to consider the 100% Dem dead vote.

17 posted on 01/12/2004 11:47:18 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: Howlin
Yeah. Ain't that the truth?
18 posted on 01/12/2004 11:50:25 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper
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To: suzyq5558
"...I also recieved a thank you letter for the donation i made in my socialist MILaws name last month lol."

HA! ;D

19 posted on 01/12/2004 11:54:15 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper
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To: Howlin
btt
20 posted on 01/13/2004 4:31:19 AM PST by GailA (Millington Rally for America after action http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/872519/posts)
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