Mark Steyn: We are falling under the imam's spell

The Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | 01/13/04 | Mark Steyn

[lorrainer]

ANOTHER Steyn bullseye!

[blanknoone]

That Islam combines church, state and culture in one big goody bag

That should not be goody bag...it should be body bag.

[xp38]

He has a collection of columns post 9/11 called The Face of the Tiger and a book on theatre called Broadway Babies say Goodnight. You can find out about them on his website http://www.steynonline.com/

[lainde]

BTTT

[pau1f0rd]

The Brits have a deathwish

Hey, I'll report you to the Campaign for Racial Equality for that!

[metesky]

Trojan horse bump.

[jocon307]

That's the money-line! Super-scary, the way these Euros bow down to these people.

[aruanan]

Secondly he could learn something about Muslims and Arabs – they gave us maths and medicine – and thirdly he could use some of his vast earnings to support a Muslim charity.

His "secondly" is as ludicrous as the rest of him.

[carton253]

I just high-lighted that very line. Steyn (via Longley at the London Times) absolutely sums up the trouble the West is having with Islam.

Well done, Mr. Longley. Well done...

[headsonpikes]

Then why are Muslims chopping off heads and burning churches from the Philippines to Nigeria...?

Because the bloody insane Arab murder cult, the Wahhabis, have billions of U.S. dollars to finance such terrorism thanks to our Saudi 'allies'.

It's the Arabs - they've got to be de-fanged.

[carton253]

Absolutely... it is a political, religious, and social order... it is despotic at its root...

The shining example of Muslim virtue was Muhammad, who lied, stole, cheated, and killed when it served his purpose. His followers desire to be just like him.

[Travis McGee]

There are NO Arabs in the Philippines, Nigeria, Kosovo etc etc etc. NONE. ZERO.

What they are is MUSLIMS. Not Arabs.

[Travis McGee]

It's a great "religion" for psychos.

You get to rape and murder and plunder, and as a reward you get 72 virgins to rape forever in heaven.

[carton253]

Well.. Lara, I hardly think the President is cowed into the same action...

[Savage Beast]

Sooner or later, the people of the West will have to face the truth.

Right now, they cannot reconcile their commitment to freedom of religion with a commitment not to be conquered by Muslims and subjugated to Islam.

What they must recognize is that Islam is a political movement as much as a religion. It does not recognize any seperation between religion and government, and its overt goal is the establishment of a worldwide Islamic theocracy, with the koran as the only constitution, dhimmitude for all non-Muslims, and the shariah as international law.

The only way the people of the West can prevent Muslims from achieving this is to confront Islam as an antidemocratic, aggressive, imperialist political movement and not as a religion.

Islam must be confronted in the same way that Naziism and Communism were confronted.

[carton253]

Sooner or later, the people of the West will have to face the truth.

Hopefully, sooner rather than later.

What they must recognize is that Islam is a political movement as much as a religion. It does not recognize any separation between religion and government, and its overt goal is the establishment of a worldwide Islamic theocracy, with the Koran as the only constitution, dhimmitude for all non-Muslims, and the Sharia as international law.

I have gone back to school... and last quarter I sat in two humanities classes. Both had to do with Islam. The first prof wouldn't even call the Muslim conquest on the 700 AD's conquest... it was expansion. He wouldn't let any of the class even discuss the darker side of Islam... one religion is as good as any other.

The other prof said that when we look at 9/11, we have to remember that Islam is having the same growing pains that Christianity and Judaism had during their history. We need to be tolerant and understanding of Islam and especially 9/11, since, after all, Christianity had the Crusades.

So in other words... allow them to wholesale slaughter us because 800 years ago a Pope got it into his head to advance his political ambitions by instituting the Crusades.

The only way the people of the West can prevent Muslims from achieving this is to confront Islam as an antidemocratic, aggressive, imperialist political movement and not as a religion.

I agree... and this must be the first thing that has to happen if we want to truly win the war on terror.

[Rummyfan]

But I don't see the will to do so from any of the Western leaders.... even President Bush keeps mouthing that 'Religion of Peace' and 'hijacked religion' mantra. BS! Of course maybe that is window dressing while who-knows-what is going on behind the scenes but.....

There was a Muslim flag football tournament in Irvine, CA last week. Some of the original team names were 'Intifada', 'Fedayeen', 'Jihad', etc. Imagine any other organization staging such an event even using the name 'Crusaders' and imagine the outcry. PC is truly killing us - in large part it was responsible for the terrorists who committed 911 not being apprehended before hand - in Mark Steyn's own words, they practically went around with a glaring 'TERRORIST' sign on their foreheads.

Before it's all over (the WOT I mean) there is going to be a big pile of corpses somewhere - I mean in the millions.

[Rummyfan]

And from another thread on the joys of Islam.....


Saudi Arabia - Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death. Bibles are illegal.

Yemen - Bans proselytizing by non-Muslims and forbids conversions. The Government does not allow the building of new non-Muslim places of worship.

Kuwait - Registration and licensing of religious groups. Members of religions not sanctioned in the Koran may not build places of worship. Prohibits organized religious education for religions other than Islam.

Egypt -Islam is the official state religion and primary source of legislation. Accordingly, religious practices that conflict with Islamic law are prohibited. Muslims may face legal problems if they convert to another faith. Requires non-Muslims to obtain what is now a presidential decree to build a place of worship.

Algeria - The law prohibits public assembly for purposes of practicing a faith other than Islam. Non-Islamic proselytizing is illegal, and the Government restricts the importation of non-Islamic literature for distribution.

Jordan - Has the death penalty for any Muslim selling land to a Jew.

(All information is from US State Department Human Rights Reports)

Religion of Peace Alert!

[Rutabega]

Man, this guy is good!

But I must say, Dog Gone, I love your homepage!

[carton253]

I think you allow what is being said in public to sway your opinion of what is going on in the real world. Yes, the President keeps saying that Islam is a "religion of peace" and that it has been hijacked, etc. etc, etc.... but the truth of the matter, his actions are saying the exact opposite.

In Afghanistan, the government is divorced from the religion.

In Iraq, the government is divorced from the religion.

Now... this divorce isn't going to happen over night. The religion hates the fact that church and state will be separated and will fight long and hard to prevent that from happening... but for the region to change, this has to happen... and we have to stand our ground (even at cost of lives) and make it happen.

But what has happened after 9/11 is a good strong and clear start of the Bush stratergy...

I do totally agree with you that PC is truly killing us... PC has to be the first casualty, here on the home front, on the War on Terror. If we don't kill it... we are destined to lose.