Border council calls Bush plan 'slap in the face'

Washington Times ^ | 1-12-04 | Jerry Seper

[JustPiper]

The National Border Patrol Council, which represents all 9,000 of the Border Patrol

[A Navy Vet]

What makes matters worse, is since we have tighten the southern border somewhat, many aren't returning to Homeland to visit family in fear they can't get back in the US.

[A Navy Vet]

No answer, as usual.

[PRND21]

My friend's complaint is that the NEA has "no power", as compared to Supermarket/teamsters.

[A Navy Vet]

is = isn't

[Cultural Jihad]

... how many should be allowed to "seek productive work" in the US?

As many as are willing to work and who have offers from employers for jobs no American wants.

Maybe if the baby-boomer generation hadn't embraced aristocratic morals and moral-liberalism and infantilism, but rather continued the tradition of hard work and personal sacrifice and handed down traditional morality to their children, then maybe we wouldn't need to look so hard for workers who are not driven by selfishness, self-centeredness, laziness, and licentiousness.

Maybe if those 45,000,000 American citizen pre-born babies did not have their limbs and faces torn apart there wouldn't be a debate today about immigration reform and changes in the demographics of our language and culture.

[A Navy Vet]

Belay my last. Looks like we're on the same page. Is was meant to be "is". Just call me billary.

[Cultural Jihad]

No answer, as usual.

162 posted on 01/12/2004 4:37:43 PM PST by A Navy Vet

Gee, try not to be so infantile. You are whining that you received no response after waiting a whole 24 minutes and 11 seconds, and that to a post made by me 9 hours and 46 minutes ago? Seriously, you will have to learn to lump it, or exert a little more patience in the future.

[A Navy Vet]

" As many as are willing to work and who have offers from employers for jobs no American wants."

Oh please. The huge influx of immigrants have so lowered the wages of so many industries that many young Americans now have to live with parents or roomates. This is a FACT regarding the lowering of wages - do some homework.

"Maybe if the baby-boomer generation hadn't embraced aristocratic morals and moral-liberalism and infantilism, but rather continued the tradition of hard work and personal sacrifice and handed down traditional morality to their children, then maybe we wouldn't need to look so hard for workers who are not driven by selfishness, self-centeredness, laziness, and licentiousness."

Well, can't fault you on the last phrase of your paragraph, however, if workplace wages hadn't been so depressed by the glut of cheap labor, many of the Gen-Xers would be willing to take those jobs. Or maybe we would start cutting our own lawns again, or watching our own kids, or building our own buildings.

"Maybe if those 45,000,000 American citizen pre-born babies did not have their limbs and faces torn apart there wouldn't be a debate today about immigration reform and changes in the demographics of our language and culture."

Nice deflection. But it still doesn't answer HOW MANY? There are WAY more immigrants than we need to support the above services. Don't know where you live, but here in Southern California we have to designate lots for excess laborers to hang around.

I've watched entire communities transform from the California Dream to ghettoes due to uncontrolled immigration. I've seen hospitals close, school districts go bankrupt, crime soar, social services overwhelmed, and our economy tank (partly due to massive immigration).

There are formally nice middle-class communities that have turned into 3rd world cesspools in Ventura, Los Angeles, Orange, Riverside, San Bernardino, and San Diego counties simply because of illegal immigration and lack of assimilation. And that's just in So. Cal. Even the extrememely liberal Los Angeles Times is starting to point it out.

So do you have a figure in mind as to how many to let it in, whether jobs are available or not?

[A Navy Vet]

Thank you for the sermon. I've waited days for an answer on other threads (which you never addressed) and you've been active here, so it wasn't unreasonable for me to assume you were ignoring the question once again. However, I will learn to "lump it" (talk about infantile) since I didn't notice the time of your posts. Lo siento (sp?).

[Cultural Jihad]

You can't have it both ways, though. You can't fault a lack of assimilation as a reason to oppose immigration reform and then support the status quo which results in disassimilation and the Balkanization of our land.

[A Navy Vet]

"You can't fault a lack of assimilation as a reason to oppose immigration reform and then support the status quo which results in disassimilation and the Balkanization of our land."

Nonsense. I'm not faulting a lack of assimilation for the problems facing immigration reform, I'm faulting massive immigration for the lack of assimilation, and that's just a side effect anyway. Nice spin on my arguement, though.

If you do just a tiny bit of research about American immigrations issues, you'll find that the periodic breaks taken after large immigration waves (such as the Irish and Italians) helped them to assimilate into American society and culture. And yes, there is (or was) a Western Europeon bred American culture, and it was good, and created this Republic .

Don't even start on the race thing...I'm talking culture. I'd still believe the same if this HUGE influx of immigrants were coming from Scotland (my heritage)and overwhelming our social services and depressing our wages, not to mention them insisting we wear kilts and talking with an accent no one can understand.

[A Navy Vet]

"...and the Balkanization of our land."

Just so you know, parts of California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas are already "Balkanized". You can't walk in certain parts of town (or whole towns for that matter) without being accosted as a "gringo". Do some research on the Southwest. Also, do some research on the number of illegal immigrant prisoners in our penal system. Damn those Scots...:)

[Cultural Jihad]

Yes, I am aware of the ugly history of jingoistic xenophobia in the past, starting with the Know-Nothing Party which was largely anti-Catholic, and then the whole so-called "Yellow Peril" campaign which effectively blocked immigration from Asia for many years. Jingoism and xenophobia are not really things to be proud of, unless you are a Democrat, I suppose.

[NewRomeTacitus]

"jingoistic xenophobia" Please.

Scan aztlan.net for a mega-dose of vitriolic racist garbage. These "fringers" ideas are most prevalent among the least educated invaders by design. Why accept a difficult truth when these "brothers" are handing me a gift-wrapped justification without having to fire up headache- inducing synapses? America OWES us, yeah!

We owe nothing. Fox himself blurted the truth that most of the invaders are here because opportunity is shut out for them in Mexico. If the invaders were granted citizenship and allowed to have their families brought here the remunition gravy train would dry up and would force some responsible representation out of the Mexican government. God forbid they actually start attempting to look after the interests of the lower (Indian) classes at the expense of their Castillian master race. Effin Nazis.
I suspect W. is playing a bigger game that we can't easily see. My vote teeters until clarity is had.

[B4Ranch]

Bush isn't concerned about it.

Scan the whole page for good reading!
Conservative Debate Handbook

[Cultural Jihad]

As your mother taught you: "Two wrongs do not make a right." One cannot use someone else's extreme fringe to justify one's own extreme fringe.

[JustPiper]

Bump good point!

We need to let the The National Border Patrol Council know we support them. Read the Dobbs transcript I posted today where the EXEC. VICE PRESIDENT, NATIONAL BORDER PATROL COUNCIL,RICHARD PIERCE was interviewed

They are fighting AFL-CIO on this one and they could use our help!

Email: nbpc-info@nbpc.net

The American public opposes the Bush immigration plan 55 to 42 percent. The plan is opposed by a majority of whites, nonwhites, Southerners, Westerners, low-income Americans, and high-income Americans, everybody, almost. Who likes the president's plan? Republicans. Most Republicans support the plan because, well, it's President Bush's plan.

Dobbs Transcript

President Bush’s Solution to the Illegal Immigration Problem by NBPC

VOTE AGAINST GWBs AMNESTY IN YOUR STATE PRIMARY!

[JustPiper]

Make that:

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[JustPiper]

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[B4Ranch]

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