Border council calls Bush plan 'slap in the face'

Washington Times ^ | 1-12-04 | Jerry Seper

[JustPiper]

The National Border Patrol Council, which represents all 9,000 of the Border Patrol

[Egg]

...that is, when he visits later this week...

[JustPiper]

You hit on it perfectly!

If we made it very unprofitable to hire illegals, they would stop coming here. If we come up with a program to increase legal immigration without punishing those who hire illegals, we'll continue to have large-scale illegal immigration alongside the new program - and the continuation of the illegal labor will suppress the wages paid by those hiring legals, thereby decreasing participation in that program.

Kudos to you DB!

[azhenfud]

"Too bad we don't have the backbone to do so."

All YOU need to do is to be reactive - not passive, to violators. Every citizen has a right to file suit against any firm, entity, or individual that hires Illegaliens. The inability to speak English is an acceptable suspicion that one may be here illegally, and those who are guilty in aiding/employing Illegaliens by not acting on suspicion and verifying a worker's status are subject to the highest penalties allowed by law.

If the President nor Congress has the testicular fortitude to take back America, maybe it's time Citizen Joe or Jane become involved and show politicians and corporate America we will no longer give our country away without a fight.

[Egg]

Call the Whitehouse comment line, but more importantly, let your Senators and congressman know that voting for Bush's proposal will not be acceptable. This could be a veto that will send a loud message to the globalists who keep tearing down our borders in deed.

[jpsb]

I would be surprised if some of the provision need not deal with labor/social security/etc. But as I recall NAFTA is not a treaty. So it does not super cede our Constitution.

[The_Eaglet]

My understanding is that treaties do not supercede the Constitution and its amendments. They have equal weight as an act of Congress, and the supreme law of the land is superior to both treaties and laws (legislative acts signed by the President).

[Spiff]

Once there is a workable and humane way of handling these people who come to seek productive work, then anyone left who traipses through the fields would probably be up to no good.

The most humane way to keep intruders from dying in the desert from the heat or from exposure to the cold (as one did last week in my area) is to seal the border to the extent that the only crossable points are at the recognized and guarded international crossings. That way the won't seek other crossing points and risk their lives further. They won't be able to cross unless we want to let them in.

Let them seek productive work within their own country. As it is, Mexico is the 9th largest economy in the world. Over 5 billion people in the world live in nations that are worse off economically than Mexico - how many of those poor people and their families are we going to permit to come into our country to seek productive work!?

And, all of these illegal aliens/border intruders are up to "no good" the second they violate our border. They are breaking the law, they are violating our sovereignty, they are abusing our desire that our own citizens live free without the need to carry and produce papers, drive through roadblocks and checkpoints, etc. They are up to no good.

[Spiff]

Bush's goal isn't amnesty for "undocumented" workers; his aim is a drive for amnesty for the corporate felons that hire, aid, abet, and harbor Illegaliens.

I am just as outraged at Bush's amnesty proposal for the current employers of illegal aliens as I am about his amnesty proposal for the illegal aliens themselves.

[B4Ranch]

"According to a RoperASW poll from last year, 83 percent of Americans support mandatory detention and forfeiture of property for illegal immigrants, followed by deportation."

I'm one of the 83%.

If the President Bush or Tom Ridge would announce that in six months they will be paying a $50 per head bounty for each illegal alien on American soil there would be a mad rush for the borders.

A policeman in a car costs the average city about $200 an hour. Helicopters cost at least $2000 an hour with the ground crews. What is the full cost of a teacher per hour? $140.00 or there about.

If we could get illegal aliens to turn each other in, just the ones trying to slip through the net, (I know thousands would attempt it) we would save billions in law enforcement, welfare programs, unemployment, medical care, job training and schools the first year.

Do all this under Executive Order and tell the Courts to back off. This is national security!

Just announce that we will be dividing the country up into various sized quadrants depending on population per square mile.

Any employer who has employed an illegal alien five months from the announcement date will be fined $5000 per employee. One month later enforcement begins. This will give employers 5 months to shed the illegals and hire legally papered actual American citizens.

Then on the announced date, start in a state such as Oklahoma. Well centered, not overly populated and clean the state out. This would give Homeland, INS and Border Patrol time to install their co-agents in various court houses around the country to verify a persons paperwork, i.e.. birth certificates, hospital records, etc.

Get caught and the result would be every foreign national who is not in America legally would forfeit their belongings and be shipped out within 24 hours. These forfeited belongings would then be given to local churches for distribution to the needy. Another cost saver!

Go state to state from the epicenter sweeping out the criminals who have successfully avoided suspicion. They already had 5 months to get out, hanging around to test the system carries a SEVERE penalty. They won't be able to say they weren't warned.

This enforcement would apply to illegals from every country in the world, not just Mexico.

Imagine the number of Chinese who would be taking the ship home with everything in the house, new cars, you name it would be on those ships. The thousands of Canadians who decided the USA was better than Canada would be headed North.

How many schools could be closed? How many hospitals and state paid housing tracts? How many welfare offices?

How many state and federal employees would find out that they have the time to actually give good service to their American customers?

Oh yes, it would be an economic shocker in the amount of taxes that could be reduced or used to actually improve something needed for American citizens, instead of illegal foreigners.

Want an approximate number of the population drop? Try 50 million+ with the majority over 30 years of age, having been illegal residents of America for over ten years.

Just imagine the frantic squealing from our politicians thinking of the lost votes and contributions. That would be a sideshow worth watching!

[Lead Moderator]

"Maybe we should all ping in Lead Moderator on all replies on all immmigration threads"

You mean this hasn't been happening already?

[PRND21]

That's twice in a row I've seen you take the noble course. Good job.
I'm all for the new tone.

[PRND21]

Good post.

[AgThorn]

Hang in there, friend, you stand on solid ground with your views - those that want to consider enforcing our immigration as being "racist" should reconcider their own posts, not yours.

[Happy2BMe]

A FReeper's Guide To Immigration Reform

[B-Cause]

Call the Whitehouse comment line, but more importantly, let your Senators and congressman know that voting for Bush's proposal will not be acceptable. This could be a veto that will send a loud message to the globalists who keep tearing down our borders in deed.!

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Hey Egg,

In addition to doing the above, why not make it a point to report one illegal alien each day for the next month!

Click here for how and where to report an illeagal.

Good Luck.

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[Texas_Dawg]

You mean a union leader representing a branch of the American Federation of Government Employees, AFL-CIO. You will find they are hardly big advocates of conservative ideas.

And the union crony actually typed out "Fah-ged-abowd-it". Typical idiocy from an anti-capitalist, Yankee, blue-state, union leader.

[Cultural Jihad]

Sure we should. For instance, you just told me, a free-thinking human being, what I 'should not' do. No one is badgering anyone, even you. I thank you for your suggestion, and will give it all the consideration it is due.

[Texas_Dawg]

Jihad we should never tell another free-thinking human being what they 'should' do.

Ummm... aren't you doing exactly what you are telling CJ not to do, that is, telling him what he should do (that being, "not tell others what they should do")?

[CIBvet]

"Bush's goal isn't amnesty for "undocumented" workers; his aim is a drive for amnesty for the corporate felons that hire, aid, abet, and harbor Illegal aliens."

Federal Immigration and Nationality Act Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)

"Any person who . . . encourages or induces an alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both."

Thanks so much for posting this.

I immediately called the White House Comment Line 202-456-1111 and delivered this message with passion, and told Pres. Bush I voted for him because I loved and respected him in so many ways. But if he continued not to uphold the rule of law, I would NEVER vote for him again. PERIOD.