TAKE TWO: UNDERSTANDING CLARK (Clark's Continuing Conspiracy Theories)

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[Luis Gonzalez]

CLARK CONSPIRACY NO. 18

MR. CLARK:  "[I]t came from the White House, it came from people around the White House. ... I got a call on 9/11. I was on CNN, and I got a call at my home saying, 'You got to say this is connected ... to Saddam Hussein.'"  (NBC's "Meet The Press," 6/15/03)

QUESTION:  Who is "around" the White House?

CLARK CONSPIRACY NO. 17

MR. CLARK:  "I never got any of these calls from the White House. I got a call from Canada, from a man who was running a Middle East think tank ..."  (WDUN's "The Martha Zoller Show," 7/1/03)

QUESTION:  Is Canada "around the White House"?

CLARK CONSPIRACY NO. 16

MR. CLARK:  "A man from a - of a Middle East think tank in Canada, the man who's the brother of a very close friend of mine in Belgium. He's very well connected to Israeli intelligence."  (MSNBC's "Buchanan And Press," 8/25/03)

QUESTION:  Is your very close friend's brother a source for any of your other theories?

CLARK CONSPIRACY NO. 15

MR. CLARK:  "The White House, actually back in February, apparently tried to get me knocked off CNN."  (Newsradio 620 KTAR, 8/25/03 As Reported On Fox News' "Special Report," 8/26/03)

QUESTION:  Aren't you confusing the Bush White House with the Clinton White House, which actually did relieve you from duty?

CLARK CONSPIRACY NO. 14

MR. CLARK:  "[Being relieved from NATO Command] was, Clark says, a setup, engineered by [Defense Secretary] Cohen's office and by the Chiefs. As for Clinton, 'He was hornswoggled.'"  (Peter J. Boyer, "General Clark's Battles," The New Yorker, 11/17/03)

QUESTION:  Are you suggesting Bill Clinton, the Commander in Chief of the United States, was tricked into firing you?

CLARK CONSPIRACY NO. 13

MR. CLARK:  "First of all, I wasn't relieved [from NATO Command]."  (MSNBC's "Hardball," 12/8/03))

QUESTION:  Because it was a trick?

CLARK CONSPIRACY NO. 12

MR. CLARK:  "[H]e says, this is Bradley Graham from The Washington Post, and we have an official authorized Pentagon news leak that you'll be replaced"  (MSNBC's "Hardball," 12/8/03)

QUESTION:  What exactly is an "official authorized news leak"?

CLARK CONSPIRACY NO. 11

MR. CLARK:  "The Secretary of Defense had to leak his own memo to explain that we have no strategy to deal with terrorism ..."  (Wesley Clark, Remarks To Center For American Progress, 10/28/03)

QUESTION:  Was it common practice when you were NATO Commander to leak memos to explain strategy?

CLARK CONSPIRACY NO. 10

MR. CLARK:  "Well, that's [Rumsfeld leaking his memo] what the rumor is, and it's been talked about on the Sunday talk shows."  (Wesley Clark, Remarks To Center For American Progress, 10/28/03)

QUESTION:  Is your favorite album "Rumors" by Fleetwood Mac?

CLARK CONSPIRACY NO. 9

MR. CLARK:  "I went back through the Pentagon in November 2001 ... [Iraq] was being discussed as part of a five-year campaign plan ... and there were a total of seven countries [to be invaded] ..."  (Wesley Clark, "The Clark Critique," Newsweek, 9/29/03)

QUESTION:  Is invading seven countries more macho than just picking one at random?

CLARK CONSPIRACY NO. 8

MR. CLARK:  "[T]hey told me there was something, some kind of a memo or something. I never saw it."  (As Quoted In Paul Barton, "Clark Again Tells Of Post-9/11 Hit List," Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, 11/4/03)

QUESTION:  ¯¯ Look at all these rumors surrounding me everyday... ¯¯  (From "Rumors," By Timex Social Club)

CLARK CONSPIRACY NO. 7

MR. CLARK:  "You only have to listen to the gossip around Washington and to hear what the neoconservatives are saying and you will get the flavor of this."  (As Quoted In Paul Barton, "Clark Again Tells Of Post-9/11 Hit List," Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, 11/4/03)

QUESTION:  Gossip, rumors and secret plans? Oh my!  Gossip, rumors and secret plans? Oh my!

[sinkspur]

I am simply unmasking you for what you are, a sideliner, a backseat driver, a man who, lacking anyone to elevate and support, instead takes the cheap and easy way out, and spends his time putting everyone down.

You've taken yourself out of the fight using the lame excuse that no one meets your "standards", then spend your time those of us who continue to fight.

I'll join you on this, Luis.

Paine trashes everybody who supports Bush, but he never supports anybody. Just rants and raves and posts his pissant, meaningless replies, while hiding behind the "Constitution."

Now, watch him have this post pulled.

[tpaine]

Yet here I am luis, in the FR arena, and in reply to my critiques of your positions, all I ever hear from you is personal abuse.. -- For shame lad... Get a grip on your emotions.

There are no emotions here tommy, I am simply unmasking you for what you are, a sideliner, a backseat driver, a man who, lacking anyone to elevate and support, instead takes the cheap and easy way out, and spends his time putting everyone down.

A very emotional little rant luis.. Droll humor..

You've taken yourself out of the fight using the lame excuse that no one meets your "standards", then spend your time those of us who continue to fight.

Simply untrue luis. Post proof I've taken myself "out of the fight using the lame excuse" that no one meets my "standards". You can't, and you know it.. It's just more of your emotional BS..

[tpaine]

Yet here I m luis, in the FR arena.

You are in your house, posting blather on an internet forum tommy, quit agrandizing yourself.

How laughable luis.. You too are in your house, posting blather on an internet forum, agrandizing yourself by boasting of your precinct work.. Big deal.

[tpaine]

I don't hide behind the Constitution sinky, I use it to make clowns like you look foolish.

And my unclean hands cannot "have this post pulled", -- I am forbidden to 'abuse' abuse, since CJ & I got into a push-button 'war', years ago.

[sinkspur]

I don't hide behind the Constitution sinky, I use it to make clowns like you look foolish.

When are you going to start doing this? You lost the tax evasion argument the other night, big time.

[dixie sass]

Oh yeah, he and Hitlery will make a wonderful team - he won't survive the first year in office and she will take the oath - nightmares!

[PhilDragoo]

Dey were ev'rywhere! Those voices!
Calling me from the White House!
Oh, all right, from a bush, a bush at the edge of the lawn,
yes, that's it!
Bush told me to say it was Iraq!

[tpaine]

sinkspur wrote:
You lost the tax evasion argument the other night, big time.

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So you claimed. -- Then everyone on the thread had a good laugh at your delusion..

[sinkspur]

So you claimed. -- Then everyone on the thread had a good laugh at your delusion..

Everyone?

Yeah, all the nutburger-tax-evasion-Irwin-Schiff-idjits may have laughed. Your guy is going to prison.

The knowledgeable (Hon, ancient-geezer, me) didn't have to say anything as you guys did a monkey-dance. Over a complete loser.

[tpaine]

The point was made that even crazed tax protesters have a right to a fully informed jury trial..

You clowns objected.
We laughed at ~your~ craziness.

[sinkspur]

The point was made that even crazed tax protesters have a right to a fully informed jury trial..

They do. Simkanin did. He got fully-informed jury.

You clowns objected. We laughed at ~your~ craziness.

We pointed out, calmly, that you tax nutcases are not going to put the law on trial. The judge didn't allow it, and he doesn't have to allow it. An appeals court will agree with him on that.

You laughed, but you were wrong, and you're still wrong.

[tpaine]

Both law & facts are always on trial, in the case at hand.. That's what juries do.

Your postion is laughable.

[sinkspur]

Both law & facts are always on trial, in the case at hand.. That's what juries do.

Actually, the facts are on trial, the law is not. You are free to jury nullify, but no judge is going to allow an open discussion about the constitutionality of the law.

I know you don't like that, but it doesn't matter what you don't like.

[tpaine]

"no judge is going to allow an open discussion about the constitutionality of the law"

No judge has the constitutional power to stop a defense opening/closing statement, or expert testimony about the constitutionality of the law as it applies to the case at hand. -- That is the issue.

[sinkspur]

No judge has the constitutional power to stop a defense opening/closing statement, or expert testimony about the constitutionality of the law as it applies to the case at hand. -- That is the issue.

It's not an issue. Judges stop the showboating all the time over settled law. Appeals courts agree with them, and the USSC agree with the Appeals Courts.

So, it's not an issue, paine, no matter how much you stamp your feet and say it is.

[Luis Gonzalez]

LOL!

tommy, it won't work.

Funny that you begin the thread by attacking the political party I support, and indirectly me via my posting of this information, and now you're down to crying about personal attacks.

Claiming that you're in the arena because you post on an internet forum, is like claiming that you are competing for the Fields Medal because you rented "Good Will Hunting" from Blockbuster.

The arena is out here tommy, where the real people tackle the real issues.

Not in fron of your monitor.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"I don't hide behind the Constitution."

Worse, you hide behind the pretense of ideological purity, then use it to excuse off your complete lack of a will to participate in our system of government.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Big deal?

I am participating in the system, as the system was designed to be run by citizens.

I am actively campaigning for my candidate of choice, and that means activism.

Tell me tommy boy, what have YOU done to defend and honor the Constitution?

Other than engage in useless arguments over minutiae on some electronic bulletin board?

[tpaine]

You stomp for big brother, I see violatons.
Time will tell.

[tpaine]

tommy, it won't work. Funny that you begin the thread by attacking the political party I support, and indirectly me via my posting of this information, and now you're down to crying about personal attacks.

Hype.. Anyone can read my first post to you and see the BS you're slinging.. Get a life luis.

Claiming that you're in the arena because you post on an internet forum, is like claiming that you are competing for the Fields Medal because you rented "Good Will Hunting" from Blockbuster. The arena is out here tommy, where the real people tackle the real issues. Not in fron of your monitor.

Whatever
I don't hide behind the Constitution.

Worse, you hide behind the pretense of ideological purity, then use it to excuse off your complete lack of a will to participate in our system of government.

More hype. None of my posts 'hide or excuse' anything. You're going wacko..

Big deal? I am participating in the system, as the system was designed to be run by citizens. I am actively campaigning for my candidate of choice, and that means activism. Tell me tommy boy, what have YOU done to defend and honor the Constitution? Other than engage in useless arguments over minutiae on some electronic bulletin board?

YOU are posting the "minutiae" luis.. It's amusing to see you go berserk at being criticized..

You need rest.