Posted on 01/10/2004 7:02:50 PM PST by freedom44
Resurrection Ping - intentions possibly noble, but poor choice of context. I rate it not-quite-zotworthy, or even attention-worthy, though pimping the website certainly invites attention.
Your call.
Can I get a girl from upprt Zotland? I heard they are hot.
Best friends and Godparents to my children include Italians, Chinese and a Norwegian. My daughter is dating an African-American and I can't imagine caring about something so unimportant as ethnicity.
Hot or Not, Scott got the Zot.
Oh well.
I will volunteer one perspective as to why interracial dating adn marriage might not be ideal.
I will preface my remarks by noting of four divinely established institutions, created for man, believer and unbeliever alike. Regardless of one's theologic beliefs, if one abides within the framework of those institutions, success is available. Stepping out of those institutions or counterfeiting them is likely to turn blessing into cursing.
The first institution is volition. The free will of each human to make choices and exercise their heart.
The 2nd institution in marriage. God made man and then woman and they were made to complement one another. It's remarkably obvious, yet amazingly some pervert even that manifestation of creation and contrive 'alternate' arrangements.
The 3rd institution is family. Family extends for generations and worldly knowledge, possessions, and status are passed from generation to generation. Some families are blessed in remaining faithful to God for multiple generations, receiving even more rich blessings over time which would never occur to younger families, nor are even imaginable.
The 4th insitution is national or State governance. After the Tower of Babel, mulitple nations based upon language and culture were formed which lived sufficiently amongst their respective selves. In some respects, it has been said the existence of multiple nations was established to keep mankind from killing itself off. I do not know the full study of that faith, but IMHO, national governance is a fourth divinely established institution.
With this preface complete, I observe the issue of interracial dating and marriage in America.
Unlike many other nations around the globe, the US and America in particular, is somewhat of a bastard stepchild of a nation. We were formed not so much by one race or language or culture, but evolved into a prevalent mixture of races under one language and evolved culture. Some by the rebellious independent will of our ancestors, some by devout obedience through faith in Christ to God.
One can be successful and live a live relatively free of many troubles, by simply living in accords with those 4 divinely established institutions. Each of those institutions build upon their predecessor in complexity and order.
Generally speaking, social skills precede production skills, so where one is unsociable, their good for society is precluded from becoming manifest until they are socially accepted.
Many worldly people will build their image of the world upon their thinking. When reality bumps into that thinking and is contrary to those thoughts, one can either base their life upon something more faithworthy or tend to become frustrated, manifest by reaction to the event.
Believers and unbelievers are able to succeed in many aspects of life by learning to respect the volition of their fellow man, honoring the institution of marriage, living by their family, and within the bounds of national governance.
Success also tempts men to accept worldly conditions as righteous conditions. Some of those who are successful in the above four institutions, may form beliefs that their success is due their interpretations of those institutions.
Hence, the perception of family, and of legitimate governance, might be challenged and frustrated to some who have come to think of those institutions along their past experience as the cause for success.
On a sidenote, there are also those who are simply seeking a short term happiness irrespective of what God provides, and on their own free will, decide to act independent of Him. So cases do exist where sexual immorality, fornication and adultery exist as counterfeits to marriage in some interracial settings. Some observe this, then confuse familial and racial national governance as being the institutions for their success, then improperly become frustrated when they observe interracial dating or marriage.
The problems run much deeper than this. Namely, within those 4 institutions, a myriad of robust relationships, memories, blessings, trials, testings, and maturing processes occur. The timing of those testings, blessings and cursings can either work together or without synchronicity.
IMHO, our respective cultures greatly effect the inter-relationships of those tests and tribulations in life. Many who have lived with their same culture, family, marriage and volition, tend to mature better and when remaining faithful in Him, receive even greater blessings, than those who might be distracted by convoluted issues.
IMHO, the real issue isn;t race, the real issue is remaining faithful to Him in all things and let Him provide the proper spouse or companion and the logistics for family and government. It all begins with our volition complying with His will and His plan.
Diversity is no more a recipe for success than racial conformance. In many ways, diversity inhibits long-term happiness and multigenerational maturity in familial relationships.
It is unfortunate that the young lady had that experience, but prejudice can be found anywhere, but it is not as common as it once was. It seems from reading the article that this young lady was raised in a very sheltered environment and was unprepared for the Real World when she entered it. Its possible that her over reaction caused the other kids (yes fresh from collage makes them kids) to play it up more than they ordinarily would have.
When I was stationed at Pearl Harbor in the early 80s a Department of the Army race relations team arrived to investigate racial discrimination in the 45th Transportation Group. They were disappointed. Over half of the personnel in our company (5th TC (HB) were married to or dating a person of a different race. They could find no racial prejudice in promotions or disciplinary actions. Private interviews showed no hint of racial prejudice. They experienced much the same in the other companies they investigated and had to cut short their Hawaiian paid vacation they could not justify holding classes to fix a nonexistent problem.
I had dated women of every race during my 40 years of having a social life. My late wife was half American Indian. I experienced signs of prejudice only once when living in an apartment complex that had gone Section 8. My girlfriend at the time was Black and several of the Black men we encountered did not seem to approve. We ignored them.
Wow thanks to the troll, I know I've been here for two years now :D
Interesting. In our village in Germany we have NEVER had a racist comment. As a multiracial couple (Japanese/British) we aren't odd, we are opposite from a German/Columbian couple, and next door to a Hungarian/German couple. Only unusual thing is that neither of us German... no-one looks at us twice, unless they are interested in Japan.
I think it is a generational thing. The older generations may have been appalled, and this is learned behavior...
Somebody disagreed. :D
Sorry I missed it.
It's funny. In todays America, there is more freedom and less freedom at the same time. More freedom such as no slavery, civil rights, women voting and owning property, etc. Less freedom such as governmental restrictions on firearms, property, PC, etc.
And the reverse side of the same coin concerning OJ and the murder of a white woman.
I've had conversations with navy buddies sort of like that but it was more of those guys messing around on their wives while they would get downright hostile if their wives messed around on them.
This conversation is sort of all over the place. American Indian women PO'd at thier men, black women PO'd at their men, etc. Then their is American women in general PO'd that American men would rather date and/or marry a non-American women.
In this statement here, I do not think the race of the victim had anything to do with it. I believe the laws dictate this policy - which I think is wrong. It goes against the entire concept of the accussed facing their accusser.
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