What good can a handgun do against an Army

Jeffhead.com ^ | 1999 | Mike Vanderboegh

[archy]

See post 23...archy beat you to it. I responded in post 25.

The entire point of the *Liberator Pistol* [aka *Flare Projector FP-45*] is that they're not to be used as an exclusive or elite-issue item, but as a mass-issue piece, suitable for carry or use by anyone among a subject population. That several of us have the same thought in mind regarding the poossible future use of the Liberator, or the Sten Gun, or the common 12-gauge shotgun as simplified into the single-shot but concealable Phillipine paliaintod device, suggects that the theory behind the Liberator- and the need for its use- may not quite be over yet.

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[Jeff Head]

Well said bro.

[Jeff Head]

Due to mortal human nature, that need will not be extinguished IMHO until the Savior returns to this earth.

[PoorMuttly]

A collection of "Cartridge Adaptors" for a 12ga. would be a handy thing too, as would a Contender or TC rifle with barrels, and a bunch of barrel groups for Bond Derringers.

Of course...one needs to be near them when the balloon goes up...or fight your way back...

The BEST weapon is one's SELF. The rest are just good tools, and in the hands of determined workers....

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"Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum
est"

"A sword is never the killer, it is a tool in the hands of the killer."

--Lucius Annaeus Seneca the younger

[toddst]

Do not forget that it was General Clark who approved the use of his tanks at Waco and that is when his star began its meteoric rise.

And this man would be president - not! Anyone associated with action in Waco should have been tried as criminals.

Can you imagine a President Clark responding to some sort of clash between "authorities" and "neocons?" IMO Clark would see to it such a situation became "Waco II."

[archy]

That was a great story...Window War II was also good. At one time, both were posted here on FR.

I had at least one of the *Window War II"> FReepposts bookmarked. Here it is.

[CyberAnt]

"public safety"

The only person who would have been safe was the burglar!

[SVTCobra03]

You are absolutely correct. And many of us are former military who spend quality time at the range. With modern technological advances in optics and reloading equipment and components coupled with the availability of some very fine civilian sniper courses, one can shoot some pretty tight groups at 1000 yards with a .308 or 1500 yards with a .300 winmag.

[stevio]

Actually I did see you a while back but never said anything until now. It's been that, "Busy at work, so just lurk" thing lately myself.

[archy]

Can you imagine a President Clark responding to some sort of clash between "authorities" and "neocons?" IMO Clark would see to it such a situation became "Waco II."

There's also an excellent chance he'd get his hat handed to him. He's never been a partricularly effective, inspiring, or victorious military leader. And he looses his temper, and has been taken by surprise more than once.

As he's about to be politically.

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[GladesGuru]

Not in the least overblown!

As a resident of the Sheeples Republic of FloriDUH, the breeding ground where the Wicked Witch of Waco was hatched "one dark and stormy night", I have had a close up view of the lawlessness of both the "Communism Lite" of the Dems in general, and the Wicked Witch in particular.

Please refer to the very detailed Readers Digets story about Janet Reno's abusive, manipulative persecution(word carefully chosen) of a Miami male who was accused of a laundry list of child sexual abuses - none of which happened.

From this case, even though all counts were dismissed, the lovely MS Reno became the poster dyke for the "child abuse industry". Clinton used her as the AG because he knew of the tape of the Lovely MS Reno in bed with a 15 year old female prostutute.

The Clintoons controlled Reno like a puppet on its strings.

Corruption is indeed deeply imbedded in the core of the Democratic party. And the sorry truth is that America is more divided today than it was prior to the civil war.

Fortunately, more and more Americans are realizing what is at stake. This war will be fought on the information battlefield, and most importantly, in the classrooms.

[archy]

"Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est"

"A sword is never the killer, it is a tool in the hands of the killer."

--Lucius Annaeus Seneca the younger

A fine bit of advice, and one of the quotes to be found on my FReeper profile page.

Do you know the Latin original for *two inches of steel is blade is enough, if placed correctly* or its source? It's quoted by Cassius Clay [the original, not the prizefighter whose name was derived from the original's] in his monograph on the use of knife or poinard as a defensive tool, I believe.

[Darksheare]

12 guage bangstick.

[PoorMuttly]

"I also use a Savage .308 with a tactical barrel for hunting"

Official Muttly Readiness Doctrine clearly states (after "Deny, Deny, BITE") the advisability of USING survival-style guns in the field, as in hunting. As interesting as strange cartridges and machinery is...what if that's all you have when trouble sets in back home ? Now, post 9-11...Muttly has made his choice. Use what you intend to fight with.

[tpaine]

robertpaulsen wrote:

"I'm accurate -- just not quick on the draw."

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You're also not fooling anyone Paulsen..

You support the 'right' of fed/state governments to 'regulate' damn near anything [guns included] to the point of prohibiting possession.


You've written:
"Your elected representatives in Congress concluded that an individual growing, manufacturing, trading, selling, bartering, ... whatever, illegal drugs wholly within that individual's state, has an effect on interstate trafficking (commerce).
Obviously, I agree, as I think most rational people would --- "


Paraphased:

--- Your elected representatives in Congress concluded that an individual manufacturing, trading, selling, bartering, ... whatever, 'illegal' weapons wholly within that individual's state, has an effect on interstate trafficking (commerce).
Obviously, I agree, as I think most rational people would ---

[Henrietta]

"During that discussion, one poster indicated that since handguns were not a military weapon, the local community or state should have every right to vote a law banning them, in essence for public safety."

Yeah, sure, except for one small issue: It's unconsitutional!

[xkaydet65]

If any have doubts about an armed citizenry against the forces of government, go watch Blackhawk Down.

[Henrietta]

"BTW, which states just passed and conceal and carry laws?"

You mean such laws that purport to give us "rights" that under our Constitution we already have?

[Chapita]

Thanks!

[archy]

Due to mortal human nature, that need will not be extinguished IMHO until the Savior returns to this earth.

Just so, though of course the tools for such purposes evolve and change. In modern terms, I can reasonably expect that our Savior's advice about selling your cloak to obtain a good sword might now be expressed as advice to obtain a good rifle or shotgun: He that hath no Garand or Kalishnikov had best get ahold of some such.

Yet I think it still worthwhile to at least have an edged fighting tool or two around. Perhaps it has to do with my Nordic/Viking ancestors; perhaps it's that religious advice, or perhaps a few memories from times past when my 20-round magazines were down to the last three or four.

Maybe it's a bit of all of the above. But I think I'll cover both approaches.

And as for that old Liberator pistol design, or that of the Sten, there are of course more modern materials and processes for such things, too. And I've been thinking in those directions....