Poll: Will Bush's proposal to grant amnesty to millions of illegal aliens affect your vote?

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[YoungKentuckyConservative]

Will President Bush's proposal to grant amnesty to millions of illegal aliens affect your vote in the 2004 presidential election?

"Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government." ---George Washington, 1793

[o_zarkman44]

Just when we find a politician we think we can trust, there are things revealed, and policy outlined that undermines the confidence in a leader.

Immigration is not a one issue voting situation. Illegal immigration affects National Security. Illegal immigration affects citizens ability to find jobs, taking jobs from American citizens. Illegal immigration inflates welfare rolls and the cost of indigent medical care, which calls for higher taxation of the American citizen. Illegal immigration, and the lack of enforcing the law of the land against such behavior has a negative effect on the ability of Law enforcement to enforce all laws. Because of mixed signals and little incentive to make arrests, an unsympathetic court nullifys the law in the name of newly discovered rights of the illegal immigrant. So illegal immigration becomes a Constitutional issue as well.

No Mr President. Illegal immigration is not a one issue voter situation. Illegal immigration is an all inclusive threat to the basis of the American Dream.

[Alissa]

I agree. This is probably one of the issues I might lean a little more to the left than other conservative issues. So many average Americans sit around fat and happy with cheap food, relatively cheap housing (depending on location), beautiful lawns, clean offices and homes, etc. We'd scream bloody mary if we had to lose all this cheap labor and pay these workers minimum wages and higher if a union is involved. This doesn't just effect Big Business, it effects average Americans! Trash collectors in NYC comes to mind. Don't they earn outrageously great salaries for their labor??

[PhiKapMom]

The hysteria over nafta has proven wrong, but some people would rather complain then actually solve a problem.

That's the understatement of the day! Noticed it quite often on here -- nothing to gripe about, you don't even see them post. Most of the biggest complainers won't even acknowledge that Pres Bush opened a dialog on Immigration with his proposals to Congress but it is up to Congress to write the law. Better to bash Pres Bush I guess then admit the truth that these are only proposals.

My support remains firmly and completely behind the reelection of Bush-Cheney!

[Sunsong]

I'm not a one issue voter. I'm smart enough to look at the whole picture and make my selection for President based on who is best for the country, and who best represents my views. I don't demand perfection, but I do draw the line at dishonesty and lack of character as Bill Clinton and Howard Dean embody.

[tiamat]

Alissa wrote:

Then don't complain when your grocery bill doubles or triples.

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THAT right there is a reason why the illegal problem must be handledd carefully.

I do not like the fact they ( illeagals ) are here, and I do not like the fact that they break our laws to get here.

Some peoplee claim that "Illeagals do the work Americans won't! "
That is because Americans are unwilling to live 20 persons to a shed on some plantation, get lousy pay and be abused.
The food-growers and packers are unwilling to pay higher wages., so they hire people who will put up with the bad pay and lousy conditions.
WE are unwilling to pay higher food-costs.
And politicians want to keep the big plantations and companies like Del Monte happy.
It's a viscious circle aand everyone winks at it, and people whine about it anyway.

Wanna see real rioting and blood-shed in America? Throw all of the illeagals out over-night, seal the borders and watch the price of food sky-rocket over-night. LA and Chicago will light up overnight, I promise.

I do NOT have an answer, BTW.

Tia Tia

[justshutupandtakeit]

There is no "amnesty" involved.

[gatorbait]

I think the President's proposal,and that isALLit is ,is a gutsy move that will force the professionally compassionate to actually say what they want. This is being put forth to Congress to act upon, debate, fashion and form. There's too much knee jerk hysteria on our part,and it needs to stop.Leave that for the jackass party ,they're better whiners. The President is well known for his disregard for the safe and equivicating path. This is a hot button issue and he is FORCING the first real debate since the 1965 Chamizal deal between the US and Mexico.That deal was the harbinger ,along with the Great Society, of our present illegal problem. I do not support a blanket amnesty and this proposal is not that ,either.It is a pragmatic approach to a problem tha thas been swept aside far too long, sort of like and ignored tumor. Bottom line, George W Bush gets my vote this November.His guts and his severely underestimated intellignce are winners in my book.

[ravingnutter]

Thanks for posting the link...I was just getting ready to do so. We actually ought to commend President Bush for bringing an issue that is dear to our hearts up to the forefront for debate. Bush's plan will be in a cross-cut shredder the minute it hits Congress. You are right, we need to forget about this and get on the Tancredo bandwagon by contacting our Congress-critters. I can't believe that so many conservatives on this site have forgotten a basic fact that I learned in elementary school...the President does not make laws, Congress does!

[D Rider]

No, It is a great political gambit. Hits the left hard. Can help us identify illegals, has the potential of making it easier to deport the bad illegals. If played right, this could enhance of security by more than damaging the DemonRats. The downside, is that if this becomes US policy, and then somehow the DemonRats regain control. Then again, could it be worse than giving away our missile and nuclear secrets to China?

[Owen]

Did you see the "anybody but Bush" comment above? That's a DU mantra.

[EagleMamaMT]

What part of the country do you live in? Here where I live, American citizens work in the restaurants, the local grocery stores, they have house cleaning businesses, and local citizens (mostly teenagers) mow people's lawns. All these jobs get done without illegal aliens doing them. Even the huge hog farms around here are able to hire Americans to work there, and that's a pretty messy job if you know anything about raising hogs. How come American citizens here in Southwestern Missouri can do these jobs but they can't where you live?

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

Will President Bush's proposal to grant amnesty to millions of illegal aliens affect your vote in the 2004 presidential election?

NO, because unlike the phony sunshine "conservatives" on this board -- i.e., the ones blubbering and bellyaching noisily that anti-abortion, anti-terrorist appeasement, anti-gay marriage, pro-tax cut, pro-religion, pro-business Bush "isn't conservative enough" for them -- I actually support conservatism and the Republican Party, and realize that the latter is the only viable electoral vehicle for the continuing advancement of the former in this country.

UNthe phony sunshine "conservatives," in other words: I am not mentally retarded. :)

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

"UNthe" = UNlike the

[gatorbait]

I missed that comment. Guess I skipped over the whining. Which post was it in?

[theFIRMbss]

>I refuse to support Bush's push to a bigger socialist state.

And next week they say
we'll have an announcement on
a new space program ...

(In the 50s and
60s, "corporate welfare"
got re-paid in cash

as salaries of
corporate employees. Now,
with corporations

sourcing overseas,
corporate welfare will be
not "driver" programs,

but big drain programs
sucking more US dollars
to the distant shores...)

[deport]

I think conservatives if that is truly what they are have one thing down and that's an immediate knee jerk reaction before they even have time to study what's out there, how it can be dealt with, how to best design it, what is the approach to use, etc. They fly off blasting away at each other and blaming the President or the originator and again won't vote for him/her, donate any money, work in the campaign..... [Example: this poll on amnesty that hasn't even been proposed]

You control the jobs that they can get and you control much of the illegal influx. People can't seem to realize that. About 50% of the illegals came into this country legally with visas and never left. They didn't cross the Southern border illegally as many on this board would like you to believe. About 50% or so of the illegals came from the Americas south of the US Southern border with Mexico having the largest percentage... The next largest group come from East and Southeast Asia.....

[jpsb]

I voted for Bush in 2000 but will not be voting for him in 2004. Medicare, campaign finance, illegal immigration and his economic policy of selling out the American middle class have done it.

It fact I will do all I can to convince others not to vote for Bush. My popular web site will have and area devoted to exposing Bush as the big spending, unconstitutional liberal that he is.

[ModernDayCato]

Nope. I'm still not voting for him. [And Bushbots don't waste your time telling me I'm 'throwing away my vote' or 'getting Dean elected', because at least I'm not enabling the dismantling of the Conservative movement.

[petercooper]

Trash collectors in NYC comes to mind. Don't they earn outrageously great salaries for their labor??

Yes, and retirement after 20 years like cops and firemen.

[stevio]

The last straw is the AWB. If he pushes that, no way will I vote for him. As far as the poll, I voted "unsure".