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The selling out of America
Myself ^ | 01/08/04 | AbsoluteJustice

Posted on 01/08/2004 5:25:19 AM PST by AbsoluteJustice

Well Freepers our President has sold us up the river and hopefully this is a wake up call to conservatives. The guest worker program is a DISASTER waiting to happen. One of President Reagan's mistakes in 1986 was to give blanket amnesty to illegals prior to sealing up the border and overhauling INS. It was stated that by doing this it would curb and put an end to illegal immigration. Since then it has doubled. Now we are seeing the same thing all over again.

O'Reilly pulled current numbers from the census bureau and foun the following. It costs this country 20 billion dollars a year in illegal immigration. 35% of LEGAL immigrants are on welfare or receive some form of government assistance. Like O'Reilly said if I were a Mexican living in Mexico I would be on the next bus here to America. When is America going to wake up and understand that current immigration brings unskilled, uneducated workers who NEED government assistance. Do they want to work? Yes and no. Yes there is no doubt about it that those who wish to work bust their butts in working but for below average wages. This myth that they pay taxes is also false. Those in the lower tax brackets pay no federal income taxes. Most have no health coverage and use hospitals for common illnesses. Guess who picks up the tab? I say also no they do not want to work because current numbers would support this, the 35% LEGAL immigrants currently on welfare. O'Reilly also stated that Vicente Fox is probably jumping for joy over this. He gets to dump his unskilled poor labor force on us and then reap the rewards when these people dump money back into his economy. It is a win win for this guy. I still do not understand why America appeases this guy.

This myth that immigrant workers take jobs the rest of Americans would not is totally false. Remember the great depression in the 20's? A time in which American workers were killing each other to find work? There is also a myth that immigrants are paying their share of taxes. This is also false. Illegal immigrants do not pay taxes. Furthermore, of those immigrants, LEGAL immigrants cost this country more in services rendered than what they put into the system. To save myself making such a broad accusation without proof I will provide you links of these facts. I will first provide you a quote from this website and then you may click on the link to read the website further. "For instance, in 1996 legal immigration alone cost Floridians $6 billion, up 77% from 1992. Legal immigration cost Texans $7 billion, New Yorkers $14 billion and Californians an amazing $28 billion. These are the compounded costs of Public Schools, Bilingual Education, Medicaid, AFDC, Social Security, Supplemental Security Income, Housing Assistance, Criminal Justice, as well as job loss by Americans and other programs, for a total cost to American taxpayers of $136 billion dollars." http://www.carryingcapacity.org/100000.html

I will provide you with one more quote and link. I hope that you take these facts seriously. "research suggests that "between 40 and 50 percent of wage-loss among low-skilled Americans is due to the immigration of low-skilled workers. Some native workers lose not just wages but their jobs through immigrant competition. An estimated 1,880,000 American workers are displaced from their jobs every year by immigration; the cost for providing welfare and assistance to these Americans is over $15 billion a year." http://www.cairco.org/econ/econ.html

As a solution we need to make abled body Americans currently on the government dole (welfare) take those jobs that people claim only illegal immigrants will take. Our entire INS dept. needs an overhaul. We should start mass deportation of those immigrants that do not belong here. Many would say that we do not have the money for this. This is not true. Stop services, it is that simple. Stop the medical care, stop the welfare, stop other related services and dump it into immigration reform, border agents backed up by the National Guard, and deportation. My tax dollars are going to people that 1)Do not belong here and 2)Going to those that have been placed into a legal status because the defunct INS gives legal status to those that have nothing to offer this country in the way of professional services or real job production. For example; remember that LEGAL citizen that came from Europe, I believe he may have been Croatian, who lived in California? He killed his child some 3 years ago and placed the child into a dumpster. He then wrote to police where they could find the child. Want to know what this legal citizens' profession was? He was an unemployed shoe repairman. How was this individual granted legal status? Was this a man that was considered a contributor to society? Because of current immigration policy, these are the types of individuals that my tax dollars pay for.

I encourage ALL to write their Congressmen and Senators. I already have. This is the collective end to America as we know it.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Miscellaneous; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: aliens; biggovernment; bushimmigrantplan; guestworkerprogram; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; invasion; nationalsuicide; thenannystate; thewelfarestate; welfarestate
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To: AbsoluteJustice
Sounds to me like C I V I L W A R..we certainly would never think Bush would have us as slaves or throw in camps, would we? Not sounding good at all...maybe time for a move to another country. This certainly tells you what he thinks of the people..he could care less...All for his big corps so they can pay slave wages and whistle all the way to their offshore banks..oh god! The more you hear, the sicker you get..Guess this is payback for supporting him!
101 posted on 01/08/2004 10:16:15 PM PST by Bella
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To: dawn53
"Want to define an 'inferior culture'?"

"Inferior," as in unsophisticated in all the arts; science; language; manners; cleanliness; repressive regarding opportunity and freedom; discouraging and degrading regarding mental, physical, spiritual, and economical enrichment.

Does that clarify for you what an "inferior culture" is?

102 posted on 01/08/2004 10:25:09 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Regulator
Thanks
so the first amnesty added about 10 million people
who only wanted a better life but wanted to keep
their turd world mores and language.

And may have caused as many as 12 million people
to break our laws for the same reward.

Total as many as 60 million more on our door stop
and another 60 million more criminal invaders.
103 posted on 01/08/2004 10:29:53 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (A little knowledge is dangerous.-- I live dangerously::))
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To: AbsoluteJustice
bttt.
104 posted on 01/08/2004 10:31:33 PM PST by txdoda ("Navy-brat")
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To: Bella
I think this was done mostly for Mexico. Business will continue to benefit from cheap labor, of course. Bush's proposal is the biggest boon to Vicente Fox, however. Here's why: Remittances that go back home. The remittances sent (since 1999) are running into billions (yes) and that is enough money to attract business and also build it. In a way, we are helping to build Mexico, but this won't work without a continual supply of money sent back to Mexico. The more money sent home, the better for Mexico, of course. The key is keeping the labor coming, and that is what this Bush proposal will do. Fox has a reason to be so happy.

Yes, I think everybody wins on this but plain Americans and America.

Even the rich looking for slaves will live to regret this. My hope is that Congress will knock it on its ass and instead come up with something a lot less destructive.

105 posted on 01/08/2004 11:45:18 PM PST by keri
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To: The_Eaglet
Not a problem at all!!
Believe it or not I have been researching immigration legal and illegal for 3 or more years. this is my so called "hot issue." Want to know how to fire me up? Mention immigration and I am off to the races. I am passionate about keeping those out who can offer nothing productive to our society, ans yes I mean those immigrants that are working in the fields that my tax dollars support as well.
106 posted on 01/09/2004 6:01:40 AM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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To: keri
"The more money sent home, the better for Mexico, of course."

NO WAY NO HOW!
Vicente Fox is pillaging his government coffers and filling his own pockets while his third world nation is running for the border. He is standing from the sidelines cheering them thru the gates. This is in NO WAY good for America it is HORRIBLE!
107 posted on 01/09/2004 6:26:22 AM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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To: keri
My hope is that Congress will knock it on its ass and instead come up with something a lot less destructive.

Thats pretty optimistic. Methinks, in order to court the Hispanic vote...this will NOT happen.

108 posted on 01/09/2004 6:30:08 AM PST by BureaucratusMaximus (Principled conservatives need not apply...we're all centrists now. Shut up & pay your taxes.)
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To: Stoptaxing
What things under control ASAP? The things that disgust me or your ability to be a hypocrite.

Surely you could figure out that I was talking about the border. And just how am I a hypocrite? By pointing out the obvious...that the President does not make laws, Congress does?

109 posted on 01/09/2004 7:51:21 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
Pretty much right. Remember, the 44 million who eventually end up here are related to the other 60 mil or so who are left in Mexico. Therefore, they will eventually be eligible for "family reunification" - in other words, all of Mexico, effectively, will have the right to come and go as they please, vote in our elections, be counted in the census as an "oppressed minority" (even though they will be by far the largest ethnicity in the country) and therefore eligible for "affirmative action", which we and our children are not, and special Congressional districts to make sure that one of "their" people win, because "they" need representation.

All I can think of is - what did our families fight for? So that one little jerk can assert that he has the right to give it all away, so he and his buddies can get some oil money, or whatever the goddamn payoff is? FTAA passage, etc...

110 posted on 01/09/2004 9:34:44 AM PST by Regulator (Nausea is a small word for what I feel)
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To: AbsoluteJustice
It's nothing but slow motion, incremental amnesty of millions.
111 posted on 01/09/2004 9:36:09 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: AbsoluteJustice
I agree 100% and have written my representatives several times. They received their final ultimatum with the recent bidding by our traitorous President.

It's very simple for me. My fridge recently started leaking water and it damaged my hardwood floor. Would it have made sense for me to replace the floor and NOT fix the leak? How is our porous border any different? You can't effectively deal with the illegals here, by granting them special work right, citizenship, etc., until you fix the border problem.

Bush has lost my vote. I will NOT continue to pander to the fake-conservative movement. The oligarchy has too much control. We've got to SPLIT the power and get the Republicans and Democrats fighting again. That's the best way for us to prolong the evident decay and death of our society.

112 posted on 01/09/2004 9:43:06 AM PST by YoungKentuckyConservative
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To: Nebr FAL owner
Who will harvest the Christmas Trees?
113 posted on 01/09/2004 10:18:18 AM PST by bert (Have you offended a liberal today?)
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To: bert
What you are implying is that America today is powerless to control its borders and its immigration policy despite being able to do just that for more than 200 years. Interesting.

Well, we had BETTER. Any Nation that can't control immigration is a Nation on the way out. History is clear on this.

The Real Story in all this is that the money-sucking, Treasonous Beltway Elite would LIKE to have us believe that any efforts to retain a Sovereign America are futile. It is, of course, not futile at all. We are at this sorry stage in American History precisely because of these One-World Sellouts.

The solution to our immigration crisis is to remove the Traitorous Cabal of One-World Socialists from power once and for all. The rest will take care of itself. The alternative is to watch America become Balkanized out of existence. The Choice is Ours to make.

114 posted on 01/09/2004 12:09:46 PM PST by WRhine
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To: YoungKentuckyConservative
Bush has lost my vote. I will NOT continue to pander to the fake-conservative movement.

Good for you. Vote for candidates because they represent your positions, not because they can attract socialists by marketing socialism even though they brand themselves as "Republican" or "conservative."

115 posted on 01/09/2004 3:39:56 PM PST by The_Eaglet (Peroutka for President)
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To: AbsoluteJustice
Whoa...

Of course this a disaster for America and I do think Vicente Fox is a crook.

I don't like what I posted. I just believe it is true. I understand why Fox is ecstatic. Bush in essence is going to give him even more dollars. Remittances are Mexico's #2 source of revenue behind oil, IIRC, so it only makes sense the more Mexicans sent to America the better. FOR HIM. What I don't understand is why Bush made such a proposal.

Look, I'm not a great communicator, but I hope this is clear.

116 posted on 01/09/2004 10:38:38 PM PST by keri
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To: BureaucratusMaximus
After today, I no longer have the hope that Congress will knock it down. On the contrary, I believe Bush will get most of what he wants.
117 posted on 01/09/2004 10:40:49 PM PST by keri
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To: JDGreen123; GailA
Bump FYI. Let's hope Marsha will continue to stand for defense of our borders. It sounds like Frist has sold out.
119 posted on 01/10/2004 9:01:13 AM PST by The_Eaglet
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To: mercy
Attack the messenger not the message!
Attack the messenger not the message!

I can't help it that you cannot read from fact based statistics. Furthermore you then turn to the "mexican hater card" to discredit my message. I assume you do not live in a border state. It is typical of people from non-border states to not understand what border states go through.

"How many workers retire and or die every year ya figure? How many new native born workers enter the workforce? You don't know do you."

This has NOTHING to do with the numbers I have posted. NADA, ZILCH, ZERO. These numbers are figured in.

"If things are so bad in this country how come everyone has a new and nearly new car .... often a boat .... live in a pretty nice house"

Has NOTHING to do with the BILLIONS of dollars spent on legal and illegal immigration in this country.

"You Mexican haters are so full of shit it makes me sick."

If you wish to debate substance then please post something with substance. If not then get lost. Your entire rambling quoted nothing and prooved little. Take your "personal emotion" from the equation and read a little then get back with me.
120 posted on 01/12/2004 5:08:18 AM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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